Leviathan

[Hespera]

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[Hespera]

"A biochemist colleague has kindly provided me with a bottle of hydrogen peroxide, and enough hydroquinone for 50 bombardier beetles. I am now about to mix the two together. According to the above, they will explode in my face. Here goes...

Well I'm still here. I poured the H2O2 and the hydroquinone, and absolutely nothing happened. It didn't even get warm. Of course I knew it wouldn't: I'm not that foolhardy! The statement that 'these two chemicals, when mixed together, literally explode', is, quite simply, false, although it is regularly repeated throughout creationist literature. If you are curious about the bombardier beetle, by the way, what actually happens is as follows. It is true that it squirts a scaldingly hot mixture of hydrogen peroxide and hydroquinone at enemies. But hydrogen peroxide and hydroquinone don't react violently together unless a catalyst is added. This is what the bombardier beetle does. As for the evolutionary precursors of the system, both hydrogen peroxide and various kinds of quinones are used for other purposes in body chemistry. The bombardier beetle's ancestors simply pressed into different service chemicals that already happened to be around. That's often how evolution works."
From "The Blind Watchmaker"

Once again, real information FTW.

Oh, and by the way, remind me to never read a chemistry text written by a creationist. "dangerous chemicals," indeed.

Look at the warning label on this dangerous chemical:


Caution! may cause eye, skin and respiratory tract inflammation.
Hygroscopic! Will remove water from tissues.

First aid... (goes on too long for me to want to copy all of it)



if not breathing...... 15 minutes of flushing with water.....

...do not induce vomiting....move to fresh air...give oxygen...

Do NOT use this material until you the Material Safety Data Sheet has been read and is understood.

Guess what this horrible chemical is...

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table salt!!!

You know that without lies and misrepresentations the theocreos wont ahve anything at all to say, so its only fair to let them lie and misrepresent, dont you think?

 

[sandwiches]

Keep looking.

Don't you worry about that. Scientists are always on the look out for new and interesting things out there. That's why I cannot honestly say that fire-breathing dragons have never or could never exist. However, I was replying to him in the context of the OP. There is no scientific evidence of any fire-breathing dragon of any kind.

 

[sandwiches]

The evidence suggests there were firebreathing plesiosaurs.

I've never heard of that. That's awesome! You got a link to a scientific paper on that?

 

[AV1611VET]

It didn't even get warm.

Sounds to me like you didn't do it like the bombadier beetle does it.

A bombardier beetle produces and stores two reactant chemical compounds hydroquinoned hydrogen peroxide in separate reservoirs in the rear tip of its abdomen. When threatened, the beetle contracts muscles that force the two reactants through valved tubes into a mixing chamber containing water and a mixture of catalytic enzymes. When combined, the reactants undergo a violent exothermic chemical reaction raising the temperature to near the boiling point of water. The corresponding pressure buildup forces the entrance valves from the reactant storage chambers to close, thus protecting the beetle's internal organs. The boiling, foul-smelling liquid partially becomes a gas (flash evaporation) and is expelled through an outlet valve into the atmosphere with a loud popping sound. The flow of reactants into the reaction chamber and subsequent ejection to the atmosphere occurs cyclically at a rate of about 500 times per second and with the total pulsation period lasting for only a fraction of a second.

Did you get a popping sound? was there a 'violent exothermic chemical reaction'?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Sounds to me like you didn't do it like the bombadier beetle does it.

Did you get a popping sound? was there a 'violent exothermic chemical reaction'?

Are H2O2 and hydroquinone dangerous, explosive, chemicals?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are H2O2 and hydroquinone dangerous, explosive, chemicals?

Ask a bombardier beetle's victims.

 

[Hespera]

Are H2O2 and hydroquinone dangerous, explosive, chemicals?

Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is in fact a very dangerous chemical.

Even at 30% you have to keep it in the reefer or it will blow up.

But then, dihydrogen oxide is the most dangerous chemical on earth.

The point of the story on the bombardier beetle is that it is they are interesting and unusual. That is all. Those unskilled in the art of chemistry, and willing, wishing to be fooled by any charlatan who comes along in support of the vile pseudoscience of 'creationism" will believe the nonsense that is said about them...and try to relate them to dragons and how they prove god.

The highly dangerous chemicals the irreducible complexity... its all exaggerations and misrepresentations from hacks and frauds.. heck they may as well say that if you listen to one carefully you can hear the angels sing; why not, its no more ridiculous, and its even better proof of god.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I've never heard of that.

Then it can't be true.

That's awesome!

Since when do you think the Bible is awesome?

You got a link to a scientific paper on that?

By scientific I take you to mean pseudoscientific. There are no pseudoscientific papers on firebreathing plesiosaurs that I know of because pseudoscientists aren't very aware of reality. However, there are well known books and papers written on the subject in popular scientific literature.

 

[granpa]

In Job 41, the leviathan is described:

18 By his sneezings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a boiling {seething} pot or caldron.

21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.

23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together; they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.

24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the lower millstone.

This sounds like a sea dragon to me. People on the Creation Museum Facebook page say it is a dinosaur.

What do you think it was or is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon