Let's talk about Mary!

[JesusLovesOurLady]

Tradition scares me as much as the authority and opinions of myself and others we taint and blur so many things with both sides being guilty of bloodshed it's hard to find the gem of wisdom in the hot coals of fear.

One thing to know about Sacred Scripture, at the beginning of this, a Muslim claimed that Jesus never claimed to be God. Now we can easily flip through the Gospels and find passages that prove that Jesus is God and claimed to be God. But notice something interesting, we find all the most explicit passages of Christ's Divinity in the Gospel of Saint John, while in the other Gospels the passages are more ambiguous, why?

Imagine you give the Bible who knows absolutely nothing nothing about Christianity, what would happen? The person would be totally confused! That's problem with Sola Scriptura, the Bible is not a catechetical book! The authors of the first three Gospels were writing to people who already knew the basics of the Faith, and thus didn't need to spell it out that Jesus is Divine. So why did Saint John have to spell it out the Jesus was Divine? Well, one of St. John's disciples, a man named Cerinthus, turned heretical and started claiming that Jesus was just a man, who was possessed by the gnostic god Logos at his baptism, in order to save us all from the material world. Saint John responded by writing his Gospel in order to set the record straight on Jesus being the Word made flesh. We need sacred tradition in order to understand the Gospel, wise are understanding of Scriptures and the faith will be tainted.

 

[Saint Beloved]

One thing to know about Sacred Scripture, at the beginning of this, a Muslim claimed that Jesus never claimed to be God. Now we can easily flip through the Gospels and find passages that prove that Jesus is God and claimed to be God. But notice something interesting, we find all the most explicit passages of Christ's Divinity in the Gospel of Saint John, while in the other Gospels the passages are more ambiguous, why?

Imagine you give the Bible who knows absolutely nothing nothing about Christianity, what would happen? The person would be totally confused! That's problem with Sola Scriptura, the Bible is not a catechetical book! The authors of the first three Gospels were writing to people who already knew the basics of the Faith, and thus didn't need to spell it out that Jesus is Divine. So why did Saint John have to spell it out the Jesus was Divine? Well, one of St. John's disciples, a man named Cerinthus, turned heretical and started claiming that Jesus was just a man, who was possessed by the gnostic god Logos at his baptism, in order to save us all from the material world. Saint John responded by writing his Gospel in order to set the record straight on Jesus being the Word made flesh. We need sacred tradition in order to understand the Gospel, wise are understanding of Scriptures and the faith will be tainted.

Thanks I'm starting to feel less scared by it all but it's so overwhelming I have a catholic catechism and a puritan catechism I plan to go through and will no doubt blog post bits I get stuck on!

 

[JesusLovesOurLady]

Thanks I'm starting to feel less scared by it all but it's so overwhelming I have a catholic catechism and a puritan catechism I plan to go through and will no doubt blog post bits I get stuck on!

Good luck, feel free to contact me if you need any extra help.

 

[stuart lawrence]

One thing to know about Sacred Scripture, at the beginning of this, a Muslim claimed that Jesus never claimed to be God. Now we can easily flip through the Gospels and find passages that prove that Jesus is God and claimed to be God. But notice something interesting, we find all the most explicit passages of Christ's Divinity in the Gospel of Saint John, while in the other Gospels the passages are more ambiguous, why?

Imagine you give the Bible who knows absolutely nothing nothing about Christianity, what would happen? The person would be totally confused! That's problem with Sola Scriptura, the Bible is not a catechetical book! The authors of the first three Gospels were writing to people who already knew the basics of the Faith, and thus didn't need to spell it out that Jesus is Divine. So why did Saint John have to spell it out the Jesus was Divine? Well, one of St. John's disciples, a man named Cerinthus, turned heretical and started claiming that Jesus was just a man, who was possessed by the gnostic god Logos at his baptism, in order to save us all from the material world. Saint John responded by writing his Gospel in order to set the record straight on Jesus being the Word made flesh. We need sacred tradition in order to understand the Gospel, wise are understanding of Scriptures and the faith will be tainted.

Now this is eternal life, that they may know you( the Father) the only TRUE God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent john17:3

The Father is greater than I
john14:28
The Father is greater than all john10:29

No one has seen God at anytime 1John 4:12

 

[kepha31]

In my Bible Mary doesn't have the title: Mother of God. What translation do you read?

"Mother of God" is a title given to Mary to teach that Jesus is God. It means ""Mother of the Messiah", not mother of the Father. It was given about 150 years after the Bible was finished so you can't expect it to be in the Bible.
A heretic named Nestorius was challenging the identity of Christ and the Council of Ephesus was convened, primarily to defend the Incarnation and the Trinity. "Theotokos, not Christotokos

 

[tadoflamb]

Tradition scares me as much as the authority and opinions of myself and others we taint and blur so many things with both sides being guilty of bloodshed it's hard to find the gem of wisdom in the hot coals of fear.

Right after I surrendered my heart to Jesus, I was scared too. I knew now that I claimed to be a Christian that I should start going to church but, I was confused by the fog of protestant denominationalism. So, my first prayer to Jesus was that 'I may know Him in the way He wanted to be known.' Shortly afterwards it was clear that the Lord intended me to be Catholic, so I started RCIA, got confirmed at the Easter Vigil of 2013 and shortly after that was invited to be an altar server.

From non-believer to serving at the altar of our Lord in less than a year. Prayer answered. Thank you, Jesus!

You talk about tainted and blurred. Two items have come up in this thread which demonstrate how sola scriptura has played a role in his. For one, it has been long established in Christianity that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of God. Even some sola scripturists believe this.

I often hear sola scripturists talking about their deceased saved relatives looking lovingly down on them from Heaven. Again, this contradicts what has been offered by the sola scripturists in this thread.

Either the bible is contradicting itself, or somebody's personal interpretation of scripture is in error. I choose the latter.

Yesterday at mass, we heard in the Gospel of St. John Jesus telling his disciple to 'not let their hearts be troubled'. Christ didn't become incarnate, suffer death, rise again and ascend into Heaven just so that we could take our best guess. No, while on earth He did establish a Church so that we could know the Truth and so that we could know it for sure. Or, as the Great Apostle writes, this is what keeps us from being 'tossed by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching'.

 

[tadoflamb]

This scares me because I gravitate towards pictures and things I can hold and see but when is admiring stepping into idolatry territory?

I'm a very visual person as well (I'm an artist after all). I think God took advantage of this to get my attention. It's easy to tell the line between veneration and worship. I know what's on my heart. What's kind of funny is that some of our detractors think they know what's on our heart just because we're kneeling.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Well if we accept the words of Christ, neither Elijah, or Moses died and went to THE Heaven to dwell with God( john3:13)
I would suggest personal interpretation is that which refuses to accept Christ's words
Jesus repeatedly stated he would raise believers up on the LAST DAY( john ch6)
The last day of this present earth obviously.
And Paul states:
Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are hymaneus and philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place and they destroy the faith of some
2Tim 2:17&18

I just accept what the Bible plainly states. There is many more plain verses also to back these up

 

[Saint Beloved]

Well if we accept the words of Christ, neither Elijah, or Moses died and went to THE Heaven to dwell with God( john3:13)
I would suggest personal interpretation is that which refuses to accept Christ's words
Jesus repeatedly stated he would raise believers up on the LAST DAY( john ch6)
The last day of this present earth obviously.
And Paul states:
Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are hymaneus and philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place and they destroy the faith of some
2Tim 2:17&18

I just accept what the Bible plainly states. There is many more plain verses also to back these up

I thought Mosed died outside the promise land in the mountains and was buried by an Angel?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I thought Mosed died outside the promise land in the mountains and was buried by an Angel?

The only point I am making here, is that Moses and Elijah did not die/ leave this earth and go to the true heaven where God dwells, as one poster has suggested.

NO ONE has ever entered Heaven, except the one who came from heaven, the son of man
John3:13

So my view can hardly be said to be personal interpretation, I simply accept Christ's words

 

[stuart lawrence]

According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the DEAD IN CHRIST will rise first.
After that, we who are still alive and left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever
1thes4:15-17

Again, no personal interpretation, just accepting the plain words of the bible

 

[stuart lawrence]

I'm a very visual person as well (I'm an artist after all). I think God took advantage of this to get my attention. It's easy to tell the line between veneration and worship. I know what's on my heart. What's kind of funny is that some of our detractors think they know what's on our heart just because we're kneeling.

If you read of rev ch20, it speaks of two resurrections. The first, is for a limited amount of people, those who come out of the great tribulation( 4&5) It hasn't happened yet.
The second( or general) resurrection of the dead is mentioned in the last five verses of the chapter. This resurrection of the dead takes place on the LAST day of this present earth, confirming Christ's words, thrice repeated in john ch6 that he will raise believers up on the last day( of this present earth)
We know the resurrection spoken of in rev ch20:11-15 is the last day of this present earth, for immediately following this, john writes the old heaven and the old earth have passed away. The new heaven and the new earth comes. The new Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven from God, only then will he dwell with his people.
So john confirms Christs thrice stated words in John ch6:

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all he has given me, but raise them up, ON THE LAST DAY
John6:39

 

[stuart lawrence]

Sorry, meant to send the last post to Saint Beloved

 

[stuart lawrence]

I thought Mosed died outside the promise land in the mountains and was buried by an Angel?

The Church I was raised in used to believe when you died you went straight to heaven, but they have changed their view now. It is in line with scripture. I think most protestant Churches( that I know anyway) nowadays accept you don't go straight to heaven when you die

 

[JesusLovesOurLady]

If you read of rev ch20, it speaks of two resurrections. The first, is for a limited amount of people, those who come out of the great tribulation( 4&5) It hasn't happened yet.
The second( or general) resurrection of the dead is mentioned in the last five verses of the chapter. This resurrection of the dead takes place on the LAST day of this present earth, confirming Christ's words, thrice repeated in john ch6 that he will raise believers up on the last day( of this present earth)
We know the resurrection spoken of in rev ch20:11-15 is the last day of this present earth, for immediately following this, john writes the old heaven and the old earth have passed away. The new heaven and the new earth comes. The new Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven from God, only then will he dwell with his people.
So john confirms Christs thrice stated words in John ch6:

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all he has given me, but raise them up, ON THE LAST DAY
John6:39

Our Lord only refers to one Resurrection, not two.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Our Lord only refers to one Resurrection, not two.

So johns words cannot be trusted to be the truth?
Should we then dismiss five books of the NT?

 

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