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Soulgazer

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I would note that it says many shall awake. It does not say what percentage. Out of a billion people, ten million is still "many". No argument, just food for thought.
 
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look at how many loops greg has to jump through to make his view work. Why not just let the Bible do that for us?
 
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what verses are you talking about "being banished?"
 
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thats a good verse, we likes

everlasting contempt sound hmmmm,

everlasting...
 
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no one is saying they are undestroyed, they suffer destruction consciously for eternity.
 
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no. you are all wise in your own eyes. I speak the truth. because I have the truth. the truth is not a perception, the truth is God.

but you blaspheme my name by saying that I am a bad Father. I am a good Father. all that come before me are liars. cast your dirt cloth aside and come to where I am. but the church is one of the biggest problems in todays world. because you are supposed to be the Light, but you all grope in darkness.

i wish it were that you grope in darkness after me, so that you may see the divine darkness that i Am. you are all stuck in flesh and soul. but I am Spirit and make all things pure to the pure in heart.

so come to the feast of the end times.
 
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what verses are you talking about "being banished?"
It all backtracks to he-mans post which you replied to #48.
I just saw the verse and though... hmmm you cannot say someone that is destroyed is banished because banishment typically means sent away instead of executed.
 
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It all backtracks to he-mans post which you replied to #48.
I just saw the verse and though... hmmm you cannot say someone that is destroyed is banished because banishment typically means sent away instead of executed.

okay, yeah.

banishment means cast out from among the congregation

not destroyed or killed.
 
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It all backtracks to he-mans post which you replied to #48.
I just saw the verse and though... hmmm you cannot say someone that is destroyed is banished because banishment typically means sent away instead of executed.
No, banishment biblically means excommucated for eternity
 
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No, banishment biblically means excommucated for eternity

Kt (i.e. שֹׁרְשׁוּ K§ 61, 4, 5), Qr שְׁרשִׁי

noun feminine uprooting, figurative banishment; — absolute Ezra 7:26.


Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged, Electronic Database.
Copyright © 2002, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc.

nope, nothing about eternal, the banishment must be modified by other words to actually mean eternal.
 
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uprooting Hmmmnn...lets see now
uprooting extraction (as of a plant and its roots from the ground); complete eradication

uproot pull a plant and its roots out of the ground; extirpate destroy, eradicate; uproot, root something out completely; WEED OUT, destroy, stamp out, root out, wipe out, eliminate, suppress, crush, put down, put an end to, get rid of.
© Oxford University Press 1995, 2002
 
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thats not proper etymology, you are using an english dictionary to prove a greek word.
 
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thats not proper etymology, you are using an english dictionary to prove a greek word.
Huh? Greek 101 ξεριζώνω eradicate, uproot, extirpate

These are hidden rocky reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you, shepherds who without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn leaves without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; ἐκριζωθέντα Jude 1:12

But he answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father didn’t plant will be uprooted. ἐκριζωθήσεται Mt 15:13

uprooting Hmmmnn...lets see now
uprooting extraction
(as of a plant and its roots from the ground); complete eradication

uproot pull a plant and its roots out of the ground; extirpate destroy, eradicate; uproot, root something out completely; WEED OUT, destroy, stamp out, root out, wipe out, eliminate, suppress, crush, put down,
put an end to, get rid of.
© Oxford University Press 1995, 2002
 
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You can uproot a tree and replant it elsewhere and it will still live.
Oops, did you forget twice dead, plucked up by the roots; ἐκριζωθέντα Jude 1:12
 
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This is interesting. a few posts ago you mentioned that the bible does not support annihilation of the soul, then you present all of these definitions of hell that include "a place of eternal fire" and "the abode of the wicked". If it is not the soul of the wicked that will be abiding there (be it for a minute or forever, take your pick), what 'part' of the wicked WILL be abiding there (i.e. body, spirit, mind, some other energy)? :/
 
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Oops, did you forget twice dead, plucked up by the roots; ἐκριζωθέντα Jude 1:12
Where is the word banish and destruction in that verse identical to the other verse?

Jude 1:12 These men sunken rocks! are those who share the pleasure of your love-feasts, unrestrained by fear while caring only for themselves; clouds without water, driven away by the winds; trees that cast their fruit, barren, doubly dead, uprooted;
This is the same translastion as the other verse yet there is NO mention of destruction or banish, why are you insisting they mean the same thing if the translators do NOT use the same words?

2nd Thessalonians 1:9 They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, being banished from the presence of the Lord and from His glorious majesty,

I see NOTHING you can tie these two verses together with.
 
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