Let's Talk About Hell (4)

[createdtoworship]

I got me a bachelors degree. It's not relevant, I just like saying it.

That's what I said on graduation day, "I got me a degree!" It was too late for them to take it back.

well you would be qualified to be a freshman at Dallas Theological Seminary. Congratulations.

 

[Timothew]

well you would be qualified to be a freshman at Dallas Theological Seminary. Congratulations.

 

[he-man]

Which emotion was that? humor?

I'm just recommending that the church abandon an embarrassing and false doctrine that dishonors God. If you want to keep this doctrine, that's your business.

Much "Satanic" lore does not originate from actual Satanists, but from Christians. Best-known would be the medieval folklore and theology surrounding demons and witches.


‘Newton goes on to say that to beleive that men or weomen can really divine, charm, inchant, bewitch or converse with spirits is a superstition of the same nature wth beleiving that the idols of the gentils were not vanities but had spirits really seated in them.’
Jeffrey Burton Russell, Lucifer, the Devil in the Middle Ages (Cornell University Press, 1986), p. 128

 

[createdtoworship]

I sense anger in your tone? Well the Bible says be angry and sin not. Does ridiculing and mocking ones position sound like the love of Christ Wille?

“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is borna of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. -1 John 4:7-8


oh and about calling me a fool....

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Racac, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. –Matthew 5:22

this is what I was talking about debate willie, you never address the actual verses posted.

 

[WillieH]

jobs also require bachelors degrees, apparently american business knows something you don't.

Whatever... this statement is a STRAWMAN which you attempt to use to DEFER what I said, and indeed has NOTHING to do with what I said...

The GOSPEL is not a "JOB"... and your precious CEMETARY (is indeed that which you SERVE and) would REJECT JESUS CHRIST Himself, from the study of His own WORD, due to their CARNAL "requirements"... which are RIDICULOUS to begin with!

You only SORROWFULLY display with every post, that you are DEEPLY bound in YOUR worship of TRADITION, ...serving IT, instead of the WORD... cherishing IT above that which you claim to serve.

Which is addressed quite plainly, HERE ----> Matt 7:22-23

Such a pity bro, ...you really need --->


Much like an addicted person which is firmly IN DENIAL of (is UNWILLING to address admit to the obvious presence of) his own problem...

Still, I wish you...


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

this is what I was talking about debate willie, you never address the actual verses posted.

I will get to this below, but FIRST:


Originally posted by gradyll]

I sense anger in your tone? Well the Bible says be angry and sin not. Does ridiculing and mocking ones position sound like the love of Christ Wille?


“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is borna of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. -1 John 4:7-8[/quote]


oh and about calling me a fool....

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Racac, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. –Matthew 5:22[/quote]

​

I will address the above post (the portion in blue italics) in detail concerning "anger" and Matt 5:22), later...


But briefly, about the above quoted verses from 1 John 3:14 -- and -- 1 John 4:7-8


FIRST --- concerning -- 1 John 3:14 -- about "LOVING" a brother:

(1) --- I always address you as my brother often (you NEVER reciprocate), and have expressed many times that I pray for you, (wjhere have you "prayed" for me?) ...and that I hope you shall remove yourself from your allegiance to TRADITION... You have done no such thing with me.

As a matter of FACT... you haven't said even ONE "LOVING" thing in discussion with me... Quote one "LOVING" thing!



SECOND --- concerning -- 1 John 4:7-8 -- This is laughable - I have shown MUCH more LOVE for you than YOU have for me...

(2) --- If either of us has displayed LOVE in our convo it has been me... as I wish you PEACE at the conclusion of each post to you, and during it note that I am in hopes and in prayer that you shall awaken from the sleep you are amidst concerning the WORD as opposed to TRADITION...

You whine, much as would a child which has been REPRIMANDED for MISBEHAVIOR, complains of that reprimand, ...and in that maintains that the parent doesn't "LOVE" him, because of it.

YOU have no "LOVE" for me, do ya gradyll? Hey - be truthful and honest! ...and before you answer this, REMEMBER: GOD is watching and IS listening to your answer...

Basically, ...YOU are just concerned with being "RIGHT" and in that, ...you propose I am "WRONG", which is a hope which in it essence, ...SERVES YOU and seeks to EXALT YOU, ...over me...

LONG AGO... I abandoned doing this within discussion... as I have found that IN WISDOM... no man is "right" or "wrong" about anything concerning the Scriptures.... We are is either REVEALED or VEILED concerning the premise discussed...

And any allusion or assumption to another as "WRONG", is only the result of taking ones own CURRENT OBSERVATION of Scripture, ...and then USING that (potentially errant) OBSERVATION as the MEASURE of the other!

This method IS the establishment of foolishness. for it is GOD which decides WHO shall "know" WHAT, and WHEN they shall "know" it...

If the TRUTH is UNKNOWN concerning ANY given premise, then the one OBSERVING has not yet been REVEALED BY HIM... and therefore, that he OBSERVES "incorrectly"... is because GOD has decided that he shall remain INCORRECT... until GOD decides to CORRECT him -- John 6:44

Perfect example of this is noted in -- Rom 11:25 (just turned RIGHT to the page!) -- which notes that ISRAEL is BLINDED (in part) by GOD to "know" JESUS CHRIST, of His decision, not their own...

Another example of this is noted in -- Matt 13:11 -- It is not the fault of the JEWS that they cannot know JESUS, ...it is the decision of GOD that the "first" (Jews) be LAST (to know Him), ...and the last (gentiles) be FIRST. (to KNOW CHRIST)

get a clue -- BRO! <--- didya see that, gradyll? ..."bro"!



Now to address your (above) "debate complaint":

this is what I was talking about debate willie, you never address the actual verses posted.

That is because, ...You have yet to post any verses which are emergent of YOUR own study... rather, you ADMIT to cutting & pasting your religion, to which ...I... am NOT willing to respond!

If you wish to debate a verse, then do so without cutting and pasting a bunch of Scriptures which do not in any way, propose to me, your knowledge or relationship with GOD...


JESUS did not "pussyfoot" around with the RELIGIOUS TRADITIONALISTS of His day... naming them SERPENTS, ...painted TOMBSTONES, ...HYPOCRITES, ...and BLIND "guides"... and NEITHER shall I...

Your "The-ILLOGICAL CEMETARY" is the current "version" of the PHARISEES of Old, which is DEDICATED to, and representive of TRADITIONAL, and CARNAL, ...NOT SPIRITUAL allegiances.

As I have already shown, JESUS Himself would be REJECTED by your BELOVED and precious CEMETARY, on the basis He is WITHOUT a "bachelors degree" which, ...no matter how YOU might (deceitfully) try to "slice it"... is a CREDENTIAL of MEN.

I follow Him and quote HIM in EVERY answer to you, despite your continuing attempts to defer to the writings and commentaries and CREDENTIALS of MEN... such as the "Dallas The-ILLOGICAL Cemetary",,.
provides you.

AGAIN, ...as ALWAYS bro, ...I wish you:


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

I sense anger in your tone? Well the Bible says be angry and sin not. Does ridiculing and mocking ones position sound like the love of Christ Wille?

You are unbelieveable! I posted throughout my post, laughing/humor emoticons and then YOU deduce me "angry"? Come on bro...

I am not the slightest bit "angry"... Concerned for you, yes. Angry with you? Not in any way.

oh and about calling me a fool....

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Racac, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. –Matthew 5:22

FIRST --- I did not "call you a fool"... I noted that you are foolish in your allegiances and SUPPORT of the TRADITIONS of MEN.

Which I noted in my other answer is the ESTABLISHMENT of FOOLISHNESS, for it SUPPORTS the foolishness of MEN, which bring FALSE doctrine to the WORLD that GOD so LOVES...



SECOND -- It says that one which is "angry" with his brother WITHOUT a CAUSE... is one which is in danger of the JUDGMENT of SHAME (Gehenna)...

Hey dear brother, ...you have given me MORE than once, a "cause" to be angry with you... however, as I said, I am not the least bit angry with you... I LOVE the WORLD (which includes YOU) that GOD so LOVES...

And let's face it bro, ...YOU = ...do NOT!

If you DID LOVE the WORLD that God so LOVES (which includes ME)... then you would NOT be THREATENING it with teachings that are CONTRARY to the parameters of LOVE -- 1 Cor 13:4-8 -- and CONTRARY to the teaching of GRACE which entails FORGIVENESS, MERCY and COMPASSION... and bringing instead --- the VIOLENT and VENGENT, ...PARAMETERS of the LAW, when Scripture and the very VOICE of CHRIST noted that "PROGRAM" was no longer -- Matt 5:38-48

Instead of DOING as CHRIST instructed, you... as a modern version of the "Pharisees" of OLD... do as did they... DEMANDING condemnation -- John 8:3-5 -- which in itself is CONTRARY to the MISSION of CHRIST (who btw, does NOT CHANGE) -- John 3:17 -- and,

You are found, ...DOING THAT, ...which CHRIST, ...DID NOT DO! -- John 8:10-11

In the stead of following His example you are about following the example given you by the "DALLAS The-ILLOGICAL Cemetary" ... which is about the THREATENING of the WORLD that God so LOVES... instead of bringing to it, the GOOD NEWS = GOSPEL ...and the JOY, ...of HIS LOVE, and PEACE -- Eph 6:15 -- Rom 10:15 -- that is within His UNCHANGING HEART, ...for it.

You are more than welcome to remain where you are... and I condemn you NOT!

For if you hear not... then you have not EARS to HEAR... which is GOD's decision, not yours, and not mine.

Nevertheless, ...I continue to wish you...

PEACE...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

willieH: Hi Timothew!

I got me a bachelors degree. It's not relevant, I just like saying it.

That's what I said on graduation day, "I got me a degree!" It was too late for them to take it back.

Good for you bro... as for me, ...myself, ...I have a "degree" in the "SCHOOL of LIFE"... which IS --- JESUS CHRIST -- John 14:6

And as a PRO musician for over 45 years, ...many muscians with "degrees" within my community, have often WATCHED my wife and I perform (neither of us has a "degree")... and within my self taught career (though I have not participated in any HIT music) have had music in a Motion Picture, and had RADIO AIRPLAY all over the Earth! Been under contract with a Major recording label (MGM), as well as several independent labels one of which was owned and supervised by RAY CHARLES...

Not only that, but NOT having ANY collegiate LITERARY training, have had one of my 3 finished novels gain Ebook publishing... and almost had that one accepted as a basis for a movie. And said book was the PLAGERIZED basis for the successful tv series "LOST"... (and I can prove it!)

My musical learning coming from the combination of GOD and the talent He gave me NATURALLY... combined with self-motivations, have spanned a lifetime of performance!

How about the Beatles -- what DEGREES did they have?

Or Elvis Presley the "truck driver"?

Neither of these INCOMPARABLE talents were TRAINED in college... and thereby became of the GREATEST EVER in music! They pursued GOD GIVEN talent, and the rest is history.

Education is gained in many different ways one of which is via EXPERIENCE and SELF MOTIVATIONS, ...Most of the GREAT INVENTIONS have come from men which BY NATURE were self-driven... rather than were "INVENTED" because they went to a "SCHOOL"

To name a few of these INVENT0RS ...of

(1) the Automoble -- Henry Ford, Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


(2) the Airplane -- the WRIGHT BROTHERS... didnt even gain "high school" diplomas -- Wright brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(3) And what of one of the most prolific INVENTORS in history, and discoverer of ELECTRICITY? -- Whose EDUCATION was HOME SCHOOLING by his mother? -- Thomas Edison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or the discoverer of GRAVITY (sir Issac Newton) -- or the ancient researchers of ASTRONOMY (such as the MAYANS)? --- How many of these, had, ..."degrees"

NONE of these MAGNIFICENT achievements which serve MAN in GREAT CAPACITY, were resultant of ANY significant or "proper" SCHOOLING, ...nor were they achieved by the gaining of ANY "degree"!

Education is NOT "SOLELY" gained at "schools" which man has erected. ...And whom, ...with a SNOB's attitude... make "education" about MONEY, instead of making LEARNING available for anyone who seeks to LEARN, such as the HYPOCRITICAL institution known as the -- "Dallas The-ILLOGICAL Cemetary"

As I have already noted, the GREATEST MAN ever to LIVE, did not have a "degree" -- JESUS CHRIST

So in conclusion, ...what I am saying is that, though college is a great place to gain education, and SOMETIMES ends in success (much of the time it doesn't)), ...does not mean that EDUCATION gained OUTSIDE these insitutions, will not becpme "AS VALID" or "AS SUCCESSFUL"!


In any event, ...I express my congrats to you, on your acheivement (gaining a "degree")! ...which is surely the result of determination and individual perserverance...


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[createdtoworship]

Whatever... this statement is a STRAWMAN which you attempt to use to DEFER what I said, and indeed has NOTHING to do with what I said...

The GOSPEL is not a "JOB"... and your precious CEMETARY (is indeed that which you SERVE and) would REJECT JESUS CHRIST Himself, from the study of His own WORD, due to their CARNAL "requirements"... which are RIDICULOUS to begin with!

You only SORROWFULLY display with every post, that you are DEEPLY bound in YOUR worship of TRADITION, ...serving IT, instead of the WORD... cherishing IT above that which you claim to serve.

Which is addressed quite plainly, HERE ----> Matt 7:22-23

Such a pity bro, ...you really need --->


Much like an addicted person which is firmly IN DENIAL of (is UNWILLING to address admit to the obvious presence of) his own problem...

Still, I wish you...


PEACE...


...willieH

more insults, should we expect anything different from you than this lack of love?

remember he that lacks love is not of God

“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

(you didn't answer that verse only the others....)

that is what I am talking about you never address the verses given to you. And if you can find an online report where I am cutting and pasting go ahead, because all the verses I give you are from my OWN PERSONAL STUDY. So your going to have to find another flaw with me and my views. Sorry.

 

[Timothew]

willieH: Hi Timothew!



Good for you bro... as for me, ...myself, ...I have a "degree" in the "SCHOOL of LIFE"... which IS --- JESUS CHRIST -- John 14:6

So in conclusion, ...what I am saying is that, though college is a great place to gain education, and SOMETIMES ends in success (much of the time it doesn't)), ...does not mean that EDUCATION gained OUTSIDE these insitutions, will not becpme "AS VALID" or "AS SUCCESSFUL"!


In any event, ...I express my congrats to you, on your acheivement (gaining a "degree")! ...which is surely the result of determination and individual perserverance...


PEACE...


...willieH

Hi Willie, thanks for the kind words. I wasn't attempting to put you down for not having a degree, or anyone else. I went to the university because it was something I had to do for myself. I didn't go in order to get a job, although that helped. I certainly didn't go in order to elevate myself above anyone else. Having the degree unlocks doors for me that would be locked otherwise. I'm not saying that's right, it is what it is. Like Gradyll said, now I have one of the qualifications to enter DTS. I'm not going to, but the door is unlocked.

I went to college for the education I could get in college. You got the education without going to college. So there are two roads that lead to the same destination. I enjoyed the road I took. I would recommend it to anyone.

 

[WillieH]

About this post:

Whatever... this statement is a STRAWMAN which you attempt to use to DEFER what I said, and indeed has NOTHING to do with what I said...

The GOSPEL is not a "JOB"... and your precious CEMETARY (is indeed that which you SERVE and) would REJECT JESUS CHRIST Himself, from the study of His own WORD, due to their CARNAL "requirements"... which are RIDICULOUS to begin with!

You only SORROWFULLY display with every post, that you are DEEPLY bound in YOUR worship of TRADITION, ...serving IT, instead of the WORD... cherishing IT above that which you claim to serve.

Which is addressed quite plainly, HERE ----> Matt 7:22-23

Such a pity bro, ...you really need --->


Much like an addicted person which is firmly IN DENIAL of (is UNWILLING to address admit to the obvious presence of) his own problem...

Still, I wish you...


PEACE...


...willieH

more insults, should we expect anything different from you than this lack of love?

There was nothing insulting to you said, it was a truthful observation of your behaviors, BRO... (loving name unto you )

You whine when opposition to your beliefs is given you... If anything is "insulted" in the above post, it is the blaphemous organization -- the "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL Cemetary" -- which as did the Pharisees (religionist/traditionalists) of Old, deserve the address it is given you -- Matt 23:15-34

remember he that lacks love is not of God

“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

Just because I oppose you and your blasphemous teachings, does not mean I do not "LOVE" you! My parents reprimanded me in childhood when my doings or speakings went astray... that is all that is present here toward YOU!

Long ago, I sided with GOD, to LOVE the WORLD that He so LOVES... which ...includes YOU.

Btw... YOU should try it... then you would in truth be following CHRIST and YHVH! For BOTH of them SO LOVE the WORLD (which includes ME)!


That you publicly defame God and His desires (falsely portraying Him to be an UNMERCIFUL and UNJUST and COMPASSIONLESS and MONSTEROUS inventor of "HELL" instead)... is reason enough to reprimand YOU ...and... your methods...

It is YOU which condemns the WORLD via your HELLISH teachings, which is the SAME WORLD ...that GOD so (unchangingly and eternally) LOVES... and SENT His SON to SAVE... which teachings are contrary to ALL the teachings of the NT concerning GRACE... which btw --- EXCEEDS ALL SIN -- Rom 1:20

That you are an active proponent of HELL, and use this HORRIFIC fallacy to THREATEN the WORLD with it, is evidence of YOUR "lack of "LOVE" for it...

(you didn't answer that verse only the others....)

Please... you are much like a thief whining about another stealing from him...

Consider yourself FORTUNATE that I answer you at ALL! YOU fail daily in this area... not worthy to make this complaint.

As it is your DAILY on-going practice to avoid SCRIPTURE that I call in question to you...

that is what I am talking about you never address the verses given to you. And if you can find an online report where I am cutting and pasting go ahead, because all the verses I give you are from my OWN PERSONAL STUDY. So your going to have to find another flaw with me and my views. Sorry.

Please... By your own admission (in the quote before this one), ...according to YOU --- I "addressed" ALL but ONE... which does NOT equate to "NEVER" addressing!

How much farther shall you wander from reality, gradyll? Stumbling over your own words, ...and refusing to LEARN, then complaining that what YOU DO, is (in small part) done unto you? (As I answered all but ONE of your verses?) Get a clue.



Not to mention, that you have continually GENERALIZED every response I have made to you which was done IN DETAIL... Thereby IGNORING ALL the questions and Scriptures which are within them? Please...

Accordingly, ...you and your questions and requests of me, deserve to be "IGNORED", for it is IGNORANCE that you practice toward me in each of your posts to me...

YOU have SEVERALLY cultivated the breach between us, gradyll... and now you complain because YOUR QUESTIONS remain unanswered? ...Get a clue.

Once again, here is something I wish to YOU each time, yet YOU fail to reciprocate EACH TIME... so much for "LOVE" emerging from YOU toward ME:


PEACE...

 

[createdtoworship]

About this post:






There was nothing insulting to you said, it was a truthful observation of your behaviors, BRO... (loving name unto you )

You whine when opposition to your beliefs is given you... If anything is "insulted" in the above post, it is the blaphemous organization -- the "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL Cemetary" -- which as did the Pharisees (religionist/traditionalists) of Old, deserve the address it is given you -- Matt 23:15-34



Just because I oppose you and your blasphemous teachings, does not mean I do not "LOVE" you! My parents reprimanded me in childhood when my doings or speakings went astray... that is all that is present here toward YOU!

Long ago, I sided with GOD, to LOVE the WORLD that He so LOVES... which ...includes YOU.

Btw... YOU should try it... then you would in truth be following CHRIST and YHVH! For BOTH of them SO LOVE the WORLD (which includes ME)!


That you publicly defame God and His desires (falsely portraying Him to be an UNMERCIFUL and UNJUST and COMPASSIONLESS and MONSTEROUS inventor of "HELL" instead)... is reason enough to reprimand YOU ...and... your methods...

It is YOU which condemns the WORLD via your HELLISH teachings, which is the SAME WORLD ...that GOD so (unchangingly and eternally) LOVES... and SENT His SON to SAVE... which teachings are contrary to ALL the teachings of the NT concerning GRACE... which btw --- EXCEEDS ALL SIN -- Rom 1:20

That you are an active proponent of HELL, and use this HORRIFIC fallacy to THREATEN the WORLD with it, is evidence of YOUR "lack of "LOVE" for it...



Please... you are much like a thief whining about another stealing from him...

Consider yourself FORTUNATE that I answer you at ALL! YOU fail daily in this area... not worthy to make this complaint.

As it is your DAILY on-going practice to avoid SCRIPTURE that I call in question to you...



Please... By your own admission (in the quote before this one), ...according to YOU --- I "addressed" ALL but ONE... which does NOT equate to "NEVER" addressing!

How much farther shall you wander from reality, gradyll? Stumbling over your own words, ...and refusing to LEARN, then complaining that what YOU DO, is (in small part) done unto you? (As I answered all but ONE of your verses?) Get a clue.



Not to mention, that you have continually GENERALIZED every response I have made to you which was done IN DETAIL... Thereby IGNORING ALL the questions and Scriptures which are within them? Please...

Accordingly, ...you and your questions and requests of me, deserve to be "IGNORED", for it is IGNORANCE that you practice toward me in each of your posts to me...

YOU have SEVERALLY cultivated the breach between us, gradyll... and now you complain because YOUR QUESTIONS remain unanswered? ...Get a clue.

Once again, here is something I wish to YOU each time, yet YOU fail to reciprocate EACH TIME... so much for "LOVE" emerging from YOU toward ME:


PEACE...

you can't insult 90% of the time, then say "peace" at the end and get away with it.

you say you are reprimanding me like a parent does his child, and you constantly say I am childish.

Yet where in the scriptures does it say you are my father? Or my parent?

If you reprimand someone else's child, is that unloving?

Yes!

& you still haven't answered this verse, are you afraid of it?

&#8220;He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.&#8221;-1 John 3:14

and you commented on it but did not answer this verse either so I am reposting it.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. -1 John 4:7-8

 

[createdtoworship]

willieH: Hi Timothew!



Good for you bro... as for me, ...myself, ...I have a "degree" in the "SCHOOL of LIFE"... which IS --- JESUS CHRIST -- John 14:6

And as a PRO musician for over 45 years, ...many muscians with "degrees" within my community, have often WATCHED my wife and I perform (neither of us has a "degree")... and within my self taught career (though I have not participated in any HIT music) have had music in a Motion Picture, and had RADIO AIRPLAY all over the Earth! Been under contract with a Major recording label (MGM), as well as several independent labels one of which was owned and supervised by RAY CHARLES...

Not only that, but NOT having ANY collegiate LITERARY training, have had one of my 3 finished novels gain Ebook publishing... and almost had that one accepted as a basis for a movie. And said book was the PLAGERIZED basis for the successful tv series "LOST"... (and I can prove it!)

My musical learning coming from the combination of GOD and the talent He gave me NATURALLY... combined with self-motivations, have spanned a lifetime of performance!

How about the Beatles -- what DEGREES did they have?

Or Elvis Presley the "truck driver"?

Neither of these INCOMPARABLE talents were TRAINED in college... and thereby became of the GREATEST EVER in music! They pursued GOD GIVEN talent, and the rest is history.

Education is gained in many different ways one of which is via EXPERIENCE and SELF MOTIVATIONS, ...Most of the GREAT INVENTIONS have come from men which BY NATURE were self-driven... rather than were "INVENTED" because they went to a "SCHOOL"

To name a few of these INVENT0RS ...of

(1) the Automoble -- Henry Ford, Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


(2) the Airplane -- the WRIGHT BROTHERS... didnt even gain "high school" diplomas -- Wright brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(3) And what of one of the most prolific INVENTORS in history, and discoverer of ELECTRICITY? -- Whose EDUCATION was HOME SCHOOLING by his mother? -- Thomas Edison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or the discoverer of GRAVITY (sir Issac Newton) -- or the ancient researchers of ASTRONOMY (such as the MAYANS)? --- How many of these, had, ..."degrees"

NONE of these MAGNIFICENT achievements which serve MAN in GREAT CAPACITY, were resultant of ANY significant or "proper" SCHOOLING, ...nor were they achieved by the gaining of ANY "degree"!

Education is NOT "SOLELY" gained at "schools" which man has erected. ...And whom, ...with a SNOB's attitude... make "education" about MONEY, instead of making LEARNING available for anyone who seeks to LEARN, such as the HYPOCRITICAL institution known as the -- "Dallas The-ILLOGICAL Cemetary"

As I have already noted, the GREATEST MAN ever to LIVE, did not have a "degree" -- JESUS CHRIST

So in conclusion, ...what I am saying is that, though college is a great place to gain education, and SOMETIMES ends in success (much of the time it doesn't)), ...does not mean that EDUCATION gained OUTSIDE these insitutions, will not becpme "AS VALID" or "AS SUCCESSFUL"!


In any event, ...I express my congrats to you, on your acheivement (gaining a "degree")! ...which is surely the result of determination and individual perserverance...


PEACE...


...willieH

how can you quote scientists when you don't even believe in the speed of light? Or the atom?

 

[WillieH]

willieH: Hi gradyll...

ABOUT THIS POST which YOU QUOTED:

***********************************************

I got me a bachelors degree. It's not relevant, I just like saying it.

That's what I said on graduation day, "I got me a degree!" It was too late for them to take it back.

Good for you bro... as for me, ...myself, ...I have a "degree" in the "SCHOOL of LIFE"... which IS --- JESUS CHRIST -- John 14:6

And as a PRO musician for over 45 years, ...many muscians with "degrees" within my community, have often WATCHED my wife and I perform (neither of us has a "degree")... and within my self taught career (though I have not participated in any HIT music) have had music in a Motion Picture, and had RADIO AIRPLAY all over the Earth! Been under contract with a Major recording label (MGM), as well as several independent labels one of which was owned and supervised by RAY CHARLES...

Not only that, but NOT having ANY collegiate LITERARY training, have had one of my 3 finished novels gain Ebook publishing... and almost had that one accepted as a basis for a movie. And said book was the PLAGERIZED basis for the successful tv series "LOST"... (and I can prove it!)

My musical learning coming from the combination of GOD and the talent He gave me NATURALLY... combined with self-motivations, have spanned a lifetime of performance!

How about the Beatles -- what DEGREES did they have?

Or Elvis Presley the "truck driver"?

Neither of these INCOMPARABLE talents were TRAINED in college... and thereby became of the GREATEST EVER in music! They pursued GOD GIVEN talent, and the rest is history.

Education is gained in many different ways one of which is via EXPERIENCE and SELF MOTIVATIONS, ...Most of the GREAT INVENTIONS have come from men which BY NATURE were self-driven... rather than were "INVENTED" because they went to a "SCHOOL"

To name a few of these INVENT0RS ...of

(1) the Automoble -- Henry Ford, Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


(2) the Airplane -- the WRIGHT BROTHERS... didnt even gain "high school" diplomas -- Wright brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(3) And what of one of the most prolific INVENTORS in history, and discoverer of ELECTRICITY? -- Whose EDUCATION was HOME SCHOOLING by his mother? -- Thomas Edison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or the discoverer of GRAVITY (sir Issac Newton) -- or the ancient researchers of ASTRONOMY (such as the MAYANS)? --- How many of these, had, ..."degrees"

NONE of these MAGNIFICENT achievements which serve MAN in GREAT CAPACITY, were resultant of ANY significant or "proper" SCHOOLING, ...nor were they achieved by the gaining of ANY "degree"!

Education is NOT "SOLELY" gained at "schools" which man has erected. ...And whom, ...with a SNOB's attitude... make "education" about MONEY, instead of making LEARNING available for anyone who seeks to LEARN, such as the HYPOCRITICAL institution known as the -- "Dallas The-ILLOGICAL Cemetary"

As I have already noted, the GREATEST MAN ever to LIVE, did not have a "degree" -- JESUS CHRIST

So in conclusion, ...what I am saying is that, though college is a great place to gain education, and SOMETIMES ends in success (much of the time it doesn't)), ...does not mean that EDUCATION gained OUTSIDE these insitutions, will not becpme "AS VALID" or "AS SUCCESSFUL"!


In any event, ...I express my congrats to you, on your acheivement (gaining a "degree")! ...which is surely the result of determination and individual perserverance...


PEACE...


...willieH

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how can you quote scientists when you don't even believe in the speed of light? Or the atom?

FIRST --- I did not "quote" ...ANY... scientist in this post (which was written to TIMOTHEW, not YOU!) ...Do you always have such difficulty with simple READING, gradyll? ...oh yeah... you don't bother doing much of that either... just a guy with an over-active mouth, which is without EARS to HEAR, or EYES to READ and thereby ABSORB what was "said"...


I provided information about the men to which I referred... which had accomplished MUCH MORE WITHOU a "bachelor's degree"... than the MAJORITY of those who (such as yourself might possibly) possess a "bachelor's degree"... MORE than proving my point in doing so!



SECOND --- The men I REFERRED to in my post, made no claims to "KNOW" the "speed of light", nor did they claim to "KNOW" the existence of the "atom"...


I noted them for what they were, ...which was that they were innovative MINDS which accomplished their doings WITHOUT need of a "bachelor's degree", ...and which is MUCH more than I can say for you!


You are so scattered and prideful bro, ...that what little you do offer in response (via your mass generalizations of my posts), ...is not even related to what I said in those posts...

Try paying ATTENTION "in class" (..."this discussion")! It will surely help you immensely!



PEACE... me bratha!


...willieH

 

[LutheranMafia]

WillieH, man you are a blow-hard. Every time I see a message from you I start scrolling and the scrolling never seems to stop! As much as I disagree with Timothew, at least I can say for him that it is not a case of religious OCD. People that go on and on and on about what they think on a religious forum probably have religious OCD,

 

[WillieH]

you can't insult 90% of the time, then say "peace" at the end and get away with it.

Please... ..."get away with it"? ...you are really hilarious bro...

Do you always resort to such extensive EXAGGERATION, gradyll?

I HARDLY insult you -- "90% of the time"... Hey -- I don't INSULT you at all! I just "calls-em" as I "sees-em"

And to add to that, YOU, within all our inter-actions, have NOT SAID ...ONE LOVING WORD... toward me, ...BRO! ...Not ONE!

In fact you have stooped SO LOW as to name the painful and life threatening CANCER which I have been battling for last 3 years.... is an EXCUSE that I "use"! ...Saying this to LM! ...

Wow! REAL "LOVING" stuff bro... I'm overwhelmed! ...With such "LOVING FRIENDS" like you, I have no need for "ENEMIES"... you take care of THEIR job, just fine!

So much for your "right" to complain of my wish of PEACE to you! ...in the midst of your UNFRIENDLINESS... I still wish you PEACE...

you say you are reprimanding me like a parent does his child, and you constantly say I am childish.

Well, ...you ARE what you ARE, dear brother!

Yet where in the scriptures does it say you are my father? Or my parent?

FIRST --- I have never said that I was your PARENT, bro... YOU went there, not me!

And where "reprimand" is concerned, ...it does not come solely from PARENTS in life.

One would think a man (which might be a stretch) ...your age (what is it gradyll, a whole 25.... maybe even 30?)... would KNOW that REPRIMAND can and DOES come from MANY different sources within LIFE!


SECOND --- I have used the SCRIPTURES on many occasions within our interactions, ...to REPRIMAND you, and you have promptly IGNORED those reprimands... hey... you can lead a horse to water...

If you reprimand someone else's child, is that unloving?

Yes!

Sorry, but ...NO, ...it is NOT!

So if you were to steal a car... then we shall draw on your deduction, that it is up to your LOVING parent to REMPRIMAND you for it?

Is THAT your perception, gradyll? Congrats, ...that's a triple funny!

If you enter into a convo with another CHRISTIAN... and you are STUCK in the THEOLOGY of VENGENCE which is the LAW (which YOU ARE), ...then as did PAUL -- "REPRIMAND" -- PETER, ...and ...PAUL, "REPRIMANDED" the Church at Corinth, ...for such IGNORANCE of the teachings of GRACE, even though ...AS... PAUL was not the "PARENT" of these in EITHER CASE, ...so do I have the same right to reprimand you!

& you still haven't answered this verse, are you afraid of it?

“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

FIRST --- I fear NOTHING... especially the WORD of YHVH, who's LOVE "casts OUT FEAR" from me -- 1 John 4:18 -- and from ALL His Children which LOVE Him as well as that which He LOVES...

I have already answered this Scripture... and YOU IGNORED the answer because it did not accomodate your ORTHODOX mentality...

Where is YOUR "LOVE" for ME, displayed within our interactions, my dear brother, ...gradyll? ....ANY example of "YOUR LOVE" -- FOR ME, ...will do...

I can tell you "where" --- YOUR "LOVE" is exampled toward me, ...It is the same "where" that your HELL doctrine is going to be found when ALL is said and DONE... NOWHERE!



SECOND --- As far as "answering" questions... You are WAY BEHIND me in that category... and have no right whatsoever to demand ANY further answer from me, until YOU get on the stick and RECIPROCATE.

and you commented on it but did not answer this verse either so I am reposting it



7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. -1 John 4:7-8

Again... until YOU do some "ANSWERING"... you shall have ONLY that which I decide you shall have...

So far in the -- "knoweth God" category, ...which notes that LOVE is to be exampled toward ME from YOU... it is YOU which is DEFICIENT in participating in this, ...and it is YOU which are the one which must ANSWER to this verse, not I...

For I have wished you PEACE in every communication to you, ...and have PRAYED for you, and have NAMED you a SON of the MOST HIGH...

Whereas... all you do is reply negatively to me, and have shown a total of --- ZERO "LOVE" -- toward me to this point...


So my dear brother gradyll, ...PRACTICE what you seek to PREACH unto ME... instead of WHINING in every post as would, a child.


PEACE ....be unto you, brother gradyll...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

WillieH, man you are a blow-hard.

...same to YOU, dear brother! ...same to you!

Every time I see a message from you I start scrolling and the scrolling never seems to stop! As much as I disagree with Timothew, at least I can say for him that it is not a case of religious OCD.

Two "name-calls"... are you going for the big, THREE?

People that go on and on and on about what they think on a religious forum probably have religious OCD,

All right! ...the TRIFECTA!

As of this post, You are hereby, ...an accomplished BIGOT!

I would guess according to YOU and your deductions, ...that the BIBLE (mine has 1834 pages) ...is an example from GOD, that establishes Him as having, ..."RELGIOUS - OCD"?

Whatever... ...mR. "mafia"...

btw... wouldn't "LUTHERAN - MAFIA", be considered an OXY-MORON?


For "LUTHERAN" implies a systemic follower of CHRIST which engages in GOOD behavior...

Whereas, "MAFIA" implies a system which engages in CRIMNAL behavior!

Does this mean you are both a GOOD and BAD, boy, LM?

Nah... can't be both, bro! For a ..."HOUSE DIVIDED CAN-NOT... stand" -- Mark 3:24-26


PEACE, LM...


...willieH

 

[createdtoworship]

Education is gained in many different ways one of which is via EXPERIENCE and SELF MOTIVATIONS, ...Most of the GREAT INVENTIONS have come from men which BY NATURE were self-driven... rather than were "INVENTED" because they went to a "SCHOOL"

now you don't believe in school at all, nice. If we had it your way, every one would believe something different. One would say there is no atom, one would say there is. One would say there is not speed of light, another would say there is. And all would be correct because there would be no teacher there to correct them.

 

[createdtoworship]

Please... ..."get away with it"? ...you are really hilarious bro...

Do you always resort to such extensive EXAGGERATION, gradyll?

I HARDLY insult you -- "90% of the time"... Hey -- I don't INSULT you at all! I just "calls-em" as I "sees-em"

And to add to that, YOU, within all our inter-actions, have NOT SAID ...ONE LOVING WORD... toward me, ...BRO! ...Not ONE!

In fact you have stooped SO LOW as to name the painful and life threatening CANCER which I have been battling for last 3 years.... is an EXCUSE that I "use"! ...Saying this to LM! ...

Wow! REAL "LOVING" stuff bro... I'm overwhelmed! ...With such "LOVING FRIENDS" like you, I have no need for "ENEMIES"... you take care of THEIR job, just fine!

So much for your "right" to complain of my wish of PEACE to you! ...in the midst of your UNFRIENDLINESS... I still wish you PEACE...






Well, ...you ARE what you ARE, dear brother!





FIRST --- I have never said that I was your PARENT, bro... YOU went there, not me!

And where "reprimand" is concerned, ...it does not come solely from PARENTS in life.

One would think a man (which might be a stretch) ...your age (what is it gradyll, a whole 25.... maybe even 30?)... would KNOW that REPRIMAND can and DOES come from MANY different sources within LIFE!


SECOND --- I have used the SCRIPTURES on many occasions within our interactions, ...to REPRIMAND you, and you have promptly IGNORED those reprimands... hey... you can lead a horse to water...





Sorry, but ...NO, ...it is NOT!

So if you were to steal a car... then we shall draw on your deduction, that it is up to your LOVING parent to REMPRIMAND you for it?

Is THAT your perception, gradyll? Congrats, ...that's a triple funny!

If you enter into a convo with another CHRISTIAN... and you are STUCK in the THEOLOGY of VENGENCE which is the LAW (which YOU ARE), ...then as did PAUL -- "REPRIMAND" -- PETER, ...and ...PAUL, "REPRIMANDED" the Church at Corinth, ...for such IGNORANCE of the teachings of GRACE, even though ...AS... PAUL was not the "PARENT" of these in EITHER CASE, ...so do I have the same right to reprimand you!








FIRST --- I fear NOTHING... especially the WORD of YHVH, who's LOVE "casts OUT FEAR" from me -- 1 John 4:18 -- and from ALL His Children which LOVE Him as well as that which He LOVES...

I have already answered this Scripture... and YOU IGNORED the answer because it did not accomodate your ORTHODOX mentality...

Where is YOUR "LOVE" for ME, displayed within our interactions, my dear brother, ...gradyll? ....ANY example of "YOUR LOVE" -- FOR ME, ...will do...

I can tell you "where" --- YOUR "LOVE" is exampled toward me, ...It is the same "where" that your HELL doctrine is going to be found when ALL is said and DONE... NOWHERE!



SECOND --- As far as "answering" questions... You are WAY BEHIND me in that category... and have no right whatsoever to demand ANY further answer from me, until YOU get on the stick and RECIPROCATE.




Again... until YOU do some "ANSWERING"... you shall have ONLY that which I decide you shall have...

So far in the -- "knoweth God" category, ...which notes that LOVE is to be exampled toward ME from YOU... it is YOU which is DEFICIENT in participating in this, ...and it is YOU which are the one which must ANSWER to this verse, not I...

For I have wished you PEACE in every communication to you, ...and have PRAYED for you, and have NAMED you a SON of the MOST HIGH...

Whereas... all you do is reply negatively to me, and have shown a total of --- ZERO "LOVE" -- toward me to this point...


So my dear brother gradyll, ...PRACTICE what you seek to PREACH unto ME... instead of WHINING in every post as would, a child.


PEACE ....be unto you, brother gradyll...


...willieH

Paul reprimanded but He never mocked, insulted or posted a barrage of laughing faces at people.

(and I agree with LM your posts are too long, it's tiring to even read let alone reply to.)

 

[createdtoworship]

...same to YOU, dear brother! ...same to you!

you don't say "same to you" when someone calls you a name. You are supposed to turn the other cheek and LOVE your brother

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. &#8211;Matthew 6:14-15

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. &#8211;Matthew 18:35

20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Haveb faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. &#8211;Mark 11:20-26

27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 &#8224; Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 &#8224; Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. &#8211;Luke 6:27-38