Let's Set The Fossil Record Straight

[Colter]

Am I suposed to be surprised that language developes or that there were multiple writers in the OT.
As I said there is no linguistic evedience that the pentituc was written in Babylon.

You had said you read a book from one author, I'm providing what the vast body of diverse Biblical scholars have concluded about dates of the Old Testament books in their final form. The heavily biased, nationalistic, ethnocentric OT, was written by the Israelites, about the Israelites and for an Israelite audience.

While there are many sources that cover the documentary hypothesis and critical analysis of the scripture writings, Wikipedia has a synopsis with references.

Dating the Bible - Wikipedia

Documentary hypothesis - Wikipedia

 

[xianghua]

If you accept that speciation occurs then you accept evolution.

not at all. evolution is about common descent of many different creatures. speciation is just variation among exist species..

If life began, as you say, from multiple creation events rather than just one, and developed from there, why do you believe that?

i dont. i dont believe in evolution at all. different creations events means that groups of creature appeared at once, without evolution.

 

[Speedwell]

i dont. i dont believe in evolution at all. different creations events means that groups of creature appeared at once, without evolution.

OK, why did you come to that conclusion?

 

[xianghua]

OK, why did you come to that conclusion?

because we have evidence for creation: the self replicating watch argument

 

[AirPo]

because we have evidence for creation: the self replicating watch argument

That's not evidence.

 

[Larniavc]

According to Genesis 1, we have: fish, then birds, then dinosaurs.

But according to the fossil record, we have: fish, then dinosaurs, then birds.

Which is correct?

Let's assume both are.

So if:

Genesis 1 = fish ... birds ... dinosaurs
Genesis 11 = fish ... dinosaurs ... birds

... do you suppose some major catastrophe occurred between Genesis 1 and Genesis 11?

The fossil record is correct.

Or are you calling God a tricksters?

 

[Speedwell]

because we have evidence for creation: the self replicating watch argument

There is no more evidence for special creation than there is for common ancestry. You decided on special creation before you started to depunk evolution. Why?

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no more evidence for special creation than there is for common ancestry.

I believe in special ancestry.

 

[AirPo]

I believe in special ancestry.

Did you make that up yourself?

 

[xianghua]

There is no more evidence for special creation than there is for common ancestry

yes there is.

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you make that up yourself?

Yes.

 

[Speedwell]

yes there is.

The "self-replicating watch argument" is not evidence, it's an argument by analogy. It's an argument you made up after you decided in favor of special creation. Why did you decide in favor of special creation to begin with?

 

[AirPo]

Yes.

And we all know what that's worth.

 

[Speedwell]

Did you make that up yourself?

I thought it was rather a clever coinage, though "uncommon ancestry" might have been better. What do you think, AV?

 

[xianghua]

The "self-replicating watch argument" is not evidence, it's an argument by analogy. It's an argument you made up after you decided in favor of special creation. Why did you decide in favor of special creation to begin with?

true. the evidence is the motor itself:

we know that a motor need a designer rather then natural process.

 

[Colter]

Life was created and planted in primitive forms. (unproven, based on faith in revelation) Those primitive forms evolved, which can be seen in the factual material record left behind. The evolution of life was "fostered" by the beings who created and planted it here on earth in the briny seas. (unproven, a matter of faith) But if true, everything would be as it is today.

 

[Colter]

true. the evidence is the motor itself:

we know that a motor need a designer rather then natural process.

True! Its rather obvious isn't it? But since its not a proven fact it's still a matter of faith.

 

[Speedwell]

true. the evidence is the motor itself:

we know that a motor need a designer rather then natural process.

No, we don't know that. The question is, why are you trying so hard to convince us? Why do you care?

 

[xianghua]

True! Its rather obvious isn't it? But since its not a proven fact it's still a matter of faith.

i think its a fact rather then a belief. on the same base that you know your pc was designed.

 

[xianghua]

Life was created and planted in primitive forms. .

im not sure. for instance: the first animal in the fossil record is no less complex then modern ones:

Demosponge EST Sequencing Reveals a Complex Genetic Toolkit of the Simplest Metazoans

"Sponges (Porifera) are among the simplest living and the earliest branching metazoans. We show that even the earliest metazoan species already have strikingly complex genomes in terms of gene content and functional repertoire and that the rich gene repertoire existed even before the emergence of true tissues, therefore further emphasizing the importance of gene loss and spatio-temporal changes in regulation of gene expression in shaping the metazoan genomes. Our findings further indicate that sponge and human genes generally show similarity levels higher than expected from their respective positions in metazoan phylogeny"

"Our findings also raise many questions about the roles of numerous genes/proteins in the life of such a simple animal"

this is also true for the first trees:

Oldest Trees Appear To Be The Most Complex That Ever Existed

"
The fossilized remains of a tree that lived 374 million years ago suggest that the earliest trees we know of might also have been the ones with the most complex internal structure in the history of our planet."

“There is no other tree that I know of in the history of the Earth that has ever done anything as complicated as this,"

"This raises a provoking question: why are the very oldest trees the most complicated?”


evolution doesnt predict this.