Let's say...

[jenniferkat]

Let's say,


you found out that your leading Pastor {in his mid 50's} has been fornicating for the last three years with an unbeliever {she is in her early 20's} and your Pastor accidentally got her pregnant. I say accidentally because he never wanted to really marry her or any lady because he was afraid of commitment. He's been a player most of his life. This man has had many affairs through out the years hiding this from his congregation.

This Pastor/singer C has been living an ungodly lifestyle for the last 20 some years and has been very good about covering up his wicked behavior.

Would you stay in this Pastor's church?

Would you expect him to marry this unbeliever?

What are your thoughts about this deceiver?

 

[freeport]

Let's say,


you found out that your leading Pastor {in his late 40's} has been fornicating for the last three years with an unbeliever {she is in her early 20's} and your Pastor accidentally got her pregnant. I say accidentally because he never wanted to really marry her or any lady because he was afraid of commitment. He's been a player most of his life. This man has had many affairs through out the years hiding this from his congregation.

This Pastor has been living an ungodly lifestyle for the last 20 some years and has been very good about covering up his wicked behavior.

Would you stay in this Pastor's church?

Would you expect him to marry this unbeliever?

What are your thoughts about this deceiver?

I would say... your relationship with God is your relationship with God and if you are depending on some outside teacher, you are way off.


Quite obviously (I must say), it is a shame you would be relying on some con artist like this.


And your job, as a human being, is to avoid spiritual con artists...


We have the Holy Spirit and do not need "teachers"...

 

[DreamsAreFree]

I would expect him to be stood down from leadership and the elders should make sure that there are good men around him who can support him through repentance and overcoming his sin. Whether I would go to the church or not depends on how it was handled. If a blind eye was turned and it was allowed to continue, probably not. If it was handled with a view to restoring him, then probably yes. That is the normal way such things are handled.

These things do happen, they shouldn't, but they do. When it is someone positioned to lead, it is a particular shame. Leaders are human though and we need to handle with mercy and love while not condoning it. If it causes us to stumble in our own walk with God then we need to look at our own walk and whether we are really relying on God or just following human leaders blindly.

 

[jenniferkat]

Please continue to share your personal views.

 

[freeport]

Please continue to share your personal views.

Rely on Scripture and the Spirit of God, Jennifer...


'We do not need a teacher, but the anointing teaches us all things, and is not counterfeit just as it has taught us' -- and does confirm.


...


Ultimately, that is what every single Christian has to rely on.


And we know the Spirit of God because we remain in the word Jesus taught us.



...


Forgiving is not easy for anyone, but it is mandatory for us.

 

[jenniferkat]

Freeport, I do rely on the Spirit of God and Scripture.

I want others here to share...what comes to their heart.

I agree with you, Freeport and thanks for sharing.

Take Care!

Jenniferkat

 

[jenniferkat]

DreamsAreFree, thanks for sharing.

You can not force someone to be restored if they still are happy to live ungodly and hide this fact. But it is good to pray, fast and ask the Lord to bring Holy Ghost help into such a difficult situation. It could be 20 years before someone really decides they want God to bring deliverance.

It's not God's will that anyone perish.

 

[DreamsAreFree]

DreamsAreFree, thanks for sharing.

You can not force someone to be restored if they still are happy to live ungodly and hide this fact. But it is good to pray, fast and ask the Lord to bring Holy Ghost help into such a difficult situation. It could be 20 years before someone really decides they want God to bring deliverance.

It's not God's will that anyone perish.

Of course you can't force them to. Then they remain stood down. But the proper thing is to bring strong men around the pastor (and strong women around the woman) and try to help them with love. If they reject that then they have made their decision.

 

[Johnnz]

It's one thing to fail. It's another to go on doing the same thing over and over. The guy has no right to be preaching and pastoring. His own life is messed up. He needs to dig deep and give some changes time to really become part of him before he could ever contemplate getting back to ministry.

John
NZ

 

[Mack7]

Pray for him. For every last one of us needs the mercy of God to constantly rest upon us. Afterward, I would pray and consult with our Heavenly Father on what the next steps should be. Rely and trust in God's Holy Spirit to direct your path.

 

[freeport]

Freeport, I do rely on the Spirit of God and Scripture.

I want others here to share...what comes to their heart.

I agree with you, Freeport and thanks for sharing.

Take Care!

Jenniferkat

According to your criteria it is a "no brainer"... we are not asked to forget our minds, as many false teachers do ask... but as the Gospels say we are asked to think.


I see many Christians who have left their minds "at the door"... but, this goes against Scripture which says to be 'wise as serpents, but innocent as doves'.



The words Jesus spoke to all Christians are enough to be saved and to live by.



Be wary of looking for so-called "more"...



Too many Christians leave behind the plain words of Jesus and follow after lies...



Those "plain" words may be simple, but they are the core of life.


And those words are the only way to life.

 

[Mr.Cheese]

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[BigNorsk]

If this pastor remains in the position of pastor in "his church". I would leave. There needs to be a serious effort at disciplining him. Church discipline is aimed at restoring a person. He has been living in sin without discipline for a long time now, and it hasn't done him or anyone else any good.

His life is holding the Church up to ridicule. It should not be tolerated. If there is no leadership in position to do anything or they are but don't do what is necessary, then about the only thing left for you to do is leave.

Marv

 

[jenniferkat]

Thank you all for your replies.

I purposely did not give out the exact details in this particular set of circumstances existing at this particular time, however; it is the on going sin factor mentality that is bad as we are all sinner's, so what and who cares, damaging attitude this ungodly Pastor has. This Pastor is of this world, that is why he never had a problem seeking after women that are none believers. Then when others are not looking he lives like the devil. No respect for the Lord Jesus Christ. You have to be as a little child to enter into God's good Kingdom.

The living word of God gives us specific revelations that we that are in Christ Jesus are to be in the world, but not of the world. If you are living as the world does then you are an enemy of God. God's people are more than conquerors in Christ Jesus. That is God's excellent promise to God's Kingdom children.

Thanks be to God Who gives us the victory THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Supreme]

this is an inexcusable scumbag who vomits on the savior.

No he's not. He's a human being, a sinner.

I probably would stay in the church if I liked it. Hopefully the pastor would resign, but stay in the community. So we could pray for him. After all, let he without sin cast the first stone, eh?

 

[jenniferkat]

"this is an inexcusable scumbag who vomits on the savior."

That is exactly what this Pastor is doing by living a very ungodly example to those around
him because the truth does come out. He should never be allowed to preach in the church
again. He is dangerous to our children. We must protect our children.

 

[donb1959]

If the leadership of the church has allowed this to be ongoing I would leave...quickly. 1 Corinthians. 5:5

The purpose of discipline is about restoration 1 Cor. 5:5b

1 Corinthians has much to say on the subject. The fact of the matter is that if the leadship of the church is not handleing this quickly and decisively. If the offending behaviour is allowed to continue the church is in great peril. The other question is do you know this as fact?

 

[LilLamb219]

Pastors should be upheld to a higher standard as they are feeding God's sheep and guiding them toward salvation. Is this pastor repentant of his sins?

Personally I feel he should step down from his position. Yes, he is a sinner like the rest of us but there are consequences to actions.

 

[Chris_G]

We are not to judge, for I too was guilty of phornication, but if I were this pastor, I would be afraid of God's judgement. I pray and hope that this pastor, begs for forgiveness, repents and makes the right decisions from now on. He needs our prayers for he is walking on the path to destruction.

 

[bliz]

Let's say,

you found out that your leading Pastor {in his late 40's} has been fornicating for the last three years with an unbeliever ...

I guess I'm wondering how all this has been "found out" and if it's all true. Not that I doubt that any pastor could do such things, it's all quite possible, but unless the pastor has poured his heart out to someone, how is it known that any of this is true?