Let's discuss Israel

[Rawtheran]

Why did you say "should have died out" ?

Yahweh said they would never die out -
Yahweh's Promise to Abraham, never will be broken .
None of Yahweh's Word ever falls to the ground void , without accomplishing all that He Says.
He Keeps and Honors His Word more than even His Own Name.
He Faithfully Keeps ALL OF HIS PROMISES.

I meant from a historical perspective they as a people should've died out. Afterall we don't see the Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, etc. still around and yet Israel and the Jews still live. This is indeed a supernatural event that has taken place.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I meant from a historical perspective they as a people should've died out. Afterall we don't see the Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, etc. still around and yet Israel and the Jews still live. This is indeed a supernatural event that has taken place.

Yes,
all of those observations are directly in line and in harmony with what Yahweh said would happen. It is all in Scripture.

 

[ralliann]

Why did you say "should have died out" ?

Yahweh said they would never die out -
Yahweh's Promise to Abraham, never will be broken .
None of Yahweh's Word ever falls to the ground void , without accomplishing all that He Says.
He Keeps and Honors His Word more than even His Own Name.
He Faithfully Keeps ALL OF HIS PROMISES.

Isa 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Isa 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

VERY GOOD ! YES!

Just like the world TODAY ALSO ! (or most of it)

 

[ralliann]

VERY GOOD ! YES!

Just like the world TODAY ALSO ! (or most of it)

Yeah I hear ya. But other nations can be blotted out I think?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yeah I hear ya. But other nations can be blotted out I think?

Yes, possibly all other nations may be one day soon gone, never to be seen again..... but I don't know this for sure, from Scripture ... "may be"...

Other nations have been blotted out, no more descendants forever, ever,
as written in Yahweh's Word -
Yahweh's Word is always true.

Perhaps someone knows if any other nation is preserved in Yahweh's Word ?

 

[ralliann]

Yes, possibly all other nations may be one day soon gone, never to be seen again..... but I don't know this for sure, from Scripture ... "may be"...

Other nations have been blotted out, no more descendants forever, ever,
as written in Yahweh's Word -
Yahweh's Word is always true.

Perhaps someone knows if any other nation is preserved in Yahweh's Word ?

well Lot was sorely vexed by the unrighteousness of the city and escaped ?///So maybe

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

well Lot was sorely vexed by the unrighteousness of the city and escaped ?///So maybe

so maybe what ?

we, Ekklesia , are greatly vexed the same as Lot was,
by all the sinfulness rampant everywhere around us.

 

[ralliann]

so maybe what ?

Nations will be blotted out.

we, Ekklesia , are greatly vexed the same as Lot was,
by all the sinfulness rampant everywhere around us.

Yes which makes me think perhaps we are the remnant of the nations promised to Abraham

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Nations will be blotted out.

Yes which makes me think perhaps we are the remnant of the nations promised to Abraham

We may be Ekklesia, born again by the Will of ABBA in Heaven, set apart and called out by Him for Himself
for His testimony as He Says in His Word.
Yes, in a truth, children of Abraham, of faith, of which Abraham is the father of faith as written throughout Scripure ! HALLELUYAH !

 

[ralliann]

We may be Ekklesia, born again by the Will of ABBA in Heaven, set apart and called out by Him for Himself
for His testimony as He Says in His Word.
Yes, in a truth, children of Abraham, of faith, of which Abraham is the father of faith as written throughout Scripure ! HALLELUYAH !

You know...I think God bound himself by promise concerning Abrahams seed, Israel to increase grace to the nations in Christ. Christ said God was blasphemed because of them. But his promise to faithful Abraham just increased the grace of that covenant. God judges justly and fairly without favoritism. The worse they were, the more his grace extended to all Abes seed of the nations.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You know...I think God bound himself by promise concerning Abrahams seed, Israel to increase grace to the nations in Christ. Christ said God was blasphemed because of them. But his promise to faithful Abraham just increased the grace of that covenant. God judges justly and fairly. The worse they were, the more his grace extended to all Abes seed.

? This is a little (hopefully a little , and not a lot), mixed up.
Some who got worse, were destroyed, not shown more grace.

All the nations are blessed by Yahweh through Abraham, yes,
but many multitudes/peoples of the nations are still destroyed for getting worse , continuing in sin, and serving demons without repenting .

 

[ralliann]

? This is a little (hopefully a little , and not a lot), mixed up.
Some who got worse, were destroyed, not shown more grace.

All the nations are blessed by Yahweh through Abraham, yes,
but many multitudes/peoples of the nations are still destroyed for getting worse , continuing in sin, and serving demons without repenting .

Hmmm which nations would that be after Christ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Hmmm which nations would that be after Christ?

What do you mean ?
Today (as for centuries) most nations are gathered together against Him and against His people.
And as written the leaders of the nations have committed <spiritual> fornication with the >>
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The Woman on the Beast
1Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls came and told me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2The kings of the earth were sexually immoral with her, and those who dwell on the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her immorality.” 3And the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, where I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.…
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[ralliann]

What do you mean ?
Today (as for centuries) most nations are gathered together against Him and against His people.
And as written the leaders of the nations have committed <spiritual> fornication with the >>
Study Bible
The Woman on the Beast
1Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls came and told me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2The kings of the earth were sexually immoral with her, and those who dwell on the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her immorality.” 3And the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, where I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.…
Berean Study Bible · Download

Nah, I think we are talking past each other now. What I meant is those of the nations who are in Christ. He went to extremes in his mercy towards us in Christ Jesus. But honestly I can't think of a nation destroyed by God after Christ. Rome simply became so huge it fell in on itself.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Nah, I think we are talking past each other now. What I meant is those of the nations who are in Christ. He went to extremes in his mercy towards us in Christ Jesus. But honestly I can't think of a nation destroyed by God after Christ. Rome simply became so huge it fell in on itself.

There are no nations "in Christ".....
do you mean those people who are in the nations,
the remnant there, who are in Christ, since the nation is not ?

 

[ralliann]

There are no nations "in Christ".....
do you mean those people who are in the nations,
the remnant there, who are in Christ, since the nation is not ?

I said "those of the nations" meaning individuals within the nations. And look at Abraham, how many righteous could be left in a city to not destroy it? It was 5 I think

 

[Rawtheran]

Yes, possibly all other nations may be one day soon gone, never to be seen again..... but I don't know this for sure, from Scripture ... "may be"...

Other nations have been blotted out, no more descendants forever, ever,
as written in Yahweh's Word -
Yahweh's Word is always true.

Perhaps someone knows if any other nation is preserved in Yahweh's Word ?

Not necessarily a nation but the Arabs are preserved because they also come from Abrahams seed. However according to Revelation at the end of all things and the final judgement there won't be a need for any nations or states anymore because the world will be restored to perfection

 

[mkgal1]

That's impossible, God can't violate the covenants or promises that he makes to people it would go against his very nature

Like Kaon posted - it wasn't God that violated the Mosaic covenant, it was the unfaithful Israelites (they had a responsibility as well).

The condition was:

Exodus 19:5-6 ~ Now if you will obey me and keep my covenant, you will be my own special treasure from among all the peoples on earth; for all the earth belongs to me. 6 And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’ This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.”

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