Let's clear up the Eschatology Scripture?

[Douggg]

Douggg said: ↑
The person doesn't have to get to Jerusalem at all.... he will already be there - as the King of Israel, the Antichrist. He will be residing in Jerusalem as the King of Israel for around 3 years 3 months, before he gets it in his head that he has achieved God-hood and commits the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God - the transgression of desolation.

The person starts as the little horn, leader of Europe.

Following Gog/Magog, he arrives in the middle east with his army, the prince who shall come.

The Jews will think he is their messiah. He is anointed king of Israel, making him the Antichrist - king of Israel instead of Jesus the rightful king.

And he resides in Jerusalem for 3 years 3 months (thereabouts), most of the first half of the seven years, before going into the temple claiming to be God, revealing himself as the man of sin. The Jews reject him as continuing as their King, ending his time as the Antichrist.

He is killed, brought back to life as the beast. The image is made of him and setup on day 1185. The two witnesses battle against him, as the Jews flee, until day 1260 when he kills the two witnesses.

They ascend to heaven 3 1/2 days later. The war in heaven takes place and Satan cast down for the second half, the time, times, and half times.

This sounds good in theory; it just does not fit scripture.This sounds good in theory; it just does not fit scripture.

...and why doesn't it fit scripture?

 

[Douggg]

It is useless to answer, but I will try. Yes, the fleeing WILL BE at the end of the first 1260 days, but at the beginning of THEIR 1260 days of fleeing. Your 1185 is myth. The abomination will divide the week into two EQUAL parts of 1260 days each. God knows how to divide.

No, the abomination of desolation does not take place at the exact midpoint. It takse place in the midst (middle part) of the last week, 7 years....not at the exact mipoint.

The only text in the bible which indicates when the abomination of desolation will be setup to be worshiped the exact day is Daniel 12:11-12. Which everything must fit within the 70th week, because 70 weeks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem. Which of course your theory do not fit within those 70 weeks but extends beyond it.

Daniel 12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

1335 days after the aod is setup to be worshiped, Jesus returns on the last day of the seven years as King of Kings and Lord of lords, the anointing of the most holy. On that day he destroys the armies that have gathered to fight him Revelation 19:19. In Psalms 24, it is He the Lord mighty in battle.

From the 1335 days, it is easy to calculate that the abomination of desolation will be setup on the 1185 day of the 7 year timeline.


Psalms 24:
7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

8 Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.

9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

10 Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.


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[Straightshot]

My comment


The 2300 evenings and evenings equate to 1150 days

It will take 110 days to complete the full setting up of the little horn's abomination on the mount

So the evasion of Israel will take place at the midpoint of the 70th week .... 110 days + 1150 days = 1260 days

When the believing remnant of Israel sees the little horn standing on the mount [he is also called the "abomination"], they will flee to the east for their protection by the Lord [Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

His capture of the mount will involve setting up his completed staging over the next 110 days during his rule of the second 1260 days of the 70th week [42 months]

Then the Lord will force him and his following to the battle of Armageddon which will take place over the next 30 days [Daniel 12:11]

The the Lord will gather all of the mortal survivors of Israel and of the nations of the Gentiles in the next 45 days [Daniel 12:12] for separating the same [Matthew 24:29-31; Matthew 25:31-46]

Those found believing [those who will favor Israel during the tribulation .... the Lord's brethren] will enter and populate His millennial kingdom upon the earth as mortals

Those found in unbelief and against Israel in the tribulation will be rejected

 

[Douggg]

The 2300 evenings and evenings equate to 1150 days

It will take 110 days to complete the full setting up of the little horn's abomination on the mount

It doesn't say abomination in Daniel 8.

The setting up of the abomination of desolation is not in Daniel 8.

What is in Daniel 8 is the transgression. The transgrssion will be the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. The abomination of desolation, the image, is not made and placed in the temple - until after the person has been killed for committing the transgression and brought back to life as the beast.

The abomination of desolation is in Daniel 12, not Daniel 8.

 

[Straightshot]

Same time frame ...... and the little horn is the abomination perpetrator .... the little horn is the subject of [Daniel 7;8 11:36-45}

 

[Riberra]

The the Lord will gather all of the mortal survivors of Israel and of the nations of the Gentiles in the next 45 days [Daniel 12:12] for separating the same [Matthew 24:29-31; Matthew 25:31-46]

Those found believing [those who will favor Israel during the tribulation .... the Lord's brethren] will enter and populate His millennial kingdom upon the earth as mortals

Those found in unbelief and against Israel in the tribulation will be rejected

What happen to them [the mortal survivors]if they have taken the mark and worshiped the Beast/Antichrist ?
Will they avoid what is described in Revelation 14:9-13, will they have a special treatment if they will favor Israel during the tribulation even if they have taken the mark.?
Lot of holes in your theory.

Those who will be assembled and will be destroyed by Jesus at Armageddon are all those who wil have taken the mark and worshiped the Beast/Antichrist not just the world armies.
Revelation 19:17
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

 

[Douggg]

The 2300 evenings and evenings equate to 1150 days

no, it is 2300 twice-a-day's. The sacrifices are done twice a day; one in the morning and one in the evening.

What it means is that 2300 days before Jesus returns, the animal sacrifices will resume. Which works out to day 220 on the 7 years timeline. The little horn person, who at that time will have become the King of Israel, the Antichrist - will in the middle of the seven years, stop those twice-a-day sacrifcies, go into the temple, sit and claim to be God, the transgression of desolation.

Desolation of the temple means made desolate - no worship or praise of God taking place. The temple will remain desolate until the day that Jesus returns, the last day of the 7 years.

 

[Riberra]

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[Douggg]

Same time frame ...... and the little horn is the abomination perpetrator .... the little horn is the subject of [Daniel 7;8 11:36-45}

No, he is not. The abomination of desolation will be the image the false prophet has made (by the people of the earth) of the beast. And that image is not made until after the person has been slain, and comes back to life.

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

He is slain for committing the transgression, that is, going into the temple and claiming to be God. After he is brought back to life - then the false prophet has the image made of him and placed in the temple, which that image is the abomination of desolation..

It's not that complicated, Straightshot.

 

[Straightshot]

"No, he is not. The abomination of desolation will be the image the false prophet has made (by the people of the earth) of the beast. And that image is not made until after the person has been slain, but comes back to life"


You are speculating Doug .... the little horn is the desolater .... the prince that shall come who will be empowered by Satan's beast [Daniel 9:27]

The human little horn will not be slain until he is killed at the battle of Armageddon [Daniel 11:45]

The "head" wounded that you are speaking of is the falling of a kingdom, not a human .... the 5th Middle Eastern kingdom of Satan's beast

It is the 6th kingdom [head] of the beast that will be healed a the time of the end

Abbadon will be released from the abyss to rule again .... over his 6th and 7th Middle Eastern kingdoms through the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-5; 17:8-18]

 

[Douggg]

You are speculating Doug .

I am not speculating. It says it right in the text that the image is made of the slain and come back to life beast.

The reason he is slain is for the transgression act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. And it is in Ezekiel 28:1-10 that God has him killed for "sitting" in the seat of God.

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Daniel 8, of the little horn person....
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The person gets to thinking he has achieved God-hood. That's when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God.

 

[Riberra]

Abbadon will be released from the abyss to rule again .... over his 6th and 7th Middle Eastern kingdoms through the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-5; 17:8-18]

Abaddon was not the one who ruled these ancient kingdoms because ''he'' was still locked in the bottomless pit ...but you are right to say that Abaddon will be released and play the role of the Antichrist/Beast in human form...That is why Daniel say that he (the little horn) is -different- that the other 10 rulers ...he is not human but will take the form of a very charismatic human with the solution to the humanity problems. ''He ''will be presented on the World scene by the UN or the EU...he will come as a great defender of the cause of Israel ...''he'' will use ruses and flattery to take power...

 

[Straightshot]

"Abaddon was not the one who ruled these ancient kingdoms because ''he'' was still locked in the bottomless pit"


Wrong .... this angelic prince has ruled over 5 of the 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for Satan in the past just before the first century ..... when the 5 kingdom fell he was sent to the abyss

He will be released from the abyss to rule over the next 2, one after the other [Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

You need to study your Bible

 

[Riberra]

"Abaddon was not the one who ruled these ancient kingdoms because ''he'' was still locked in the bottomless pit"


Wrong .... this angelic prince has ruled over 5 of the 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for Satan in the past just before the first century ..... when the 5 kingdom fell he was sent to the abyss

He will be released from the abyss to rule over the next 2, one after the other [Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

You need to study your Bible

These could have been other fallen Angels who ruled these Ancient Kingdoms and sometime Satan himself.

Abaddon is the Chief angel who have participated to the events of Genesis 6:1-4 with other angels [the angels who sinned]are locked into the bottomless pit until he will be released during the great tribulation of the end time.----[as in the time of Noah/massive incursion of Fallen Angels in humans affairs ]
Revelation 9:11 [Abaddon king of the bottomless pit ''locusts''.
Revelation 11:7
Abadon is the Beast coming out of the bottomless pit who will kill the two witnesses .
Revelation 12
Satan cast out of Heaven with his fallen angels.

 

[Douggg]

Wrong .... this angelic prince has ruled over 5 of the 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for Satan in the past just before the first century ..... when the 5 kingdom fell he was sent to the abyss

Is Abaddon two angels? I don't think so. The prince of Persia is one fallen angel. And the prince of Greece is another fallen angel.

Daniel 10:
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

 

[Straightshot]

Is Abaddon two angels? I don't think so. The prince of Persia is one fallen angel. And the prince of Greece is another fallen angel.


Don't be silly Doug, Satan has more principalities of the dark side than you think

Abaddon is the primary principality with regard for the two others that you mention .... there is obviously a hierarchy in Satan's design .... Revelation 17 confirms Daniel 10 with further revealing

Daniel 10 reveals two of the others, Revelation reveals Abaddon at the top of the chain .... he was there ruling over the other two

Study on

 

[iamlamad]

...and why doesn't it fit scripture?

Very simple, if your theory was correct, the city would be trampled for the entire 70th week.

 

[Douggg]

Very simple, if your theory was correct, the city would be trampled for the entire 70th week.

No, it would not. The prince who shall come, the little horn with is his EU army moves into the middle east following Gog/Magog secures all the oil producing territory in the region as those nations and armies are decimated.... under the guise of securing peace in the region. The motivator of course for the EU is to gain control of the middle east oil. His army will be in the region as occupiers of those decimated muslim nations, but not as a conqueror of Israel.

He, himself will be embraced by the Jews as their messiah because of his intent to stave of the Gog/Magog invasion by massing his army in Greece as a deterrent. But it doesn't stop GogMagog from invading and being destroyed by God supernaturally. Israel will probably send missiles into those muslim nations on their capitals as well, which one of them could be Damascus..

It is not until he becomes the beast around the 3 years, 3 months into the 7 years, the Aod setup to be worshiped, and the Jews start fleeing, that his army already in the region moves into Jerusalem to secure it for the beast and to cutoff the fleeing and hold them in Jerusalem as captives. With the two witnesses gone, his army tramples the city and nation for the 42 months of the second half.

 

[Riberra]

Abaddon is the primary principality with regard for the two others that you mention .... there is obviously a hierarchy in Satan's design .... Revelation 17 confirms Daniel 10 with further revealing

Daniel 10 reveals two of the others, Revelation reveals Abaddon at the top of the chain .... he was there ruling over the other two

Study on

There is no doubt that there is mention about a One World Government in the Book of Revelation who will be ruled by the (Beast)Antichrist during the last 3,5 years of the Tribulation...Based on the Bible A major event [the great worldwide earthquake of the 6th seal] must come first before its emergence in the years thereafter and its total implementation.

--The agenturs of Satan (illuminatis) plan to put it in place after their planned WW3 ....--
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

Listen now to God's prophecy concerning the secret plans which these 10 rulers devise to seize control of the world and then hand this control over to Antichrist [the Beast]. Notice that these 10 rulers are secretly working with Antichrist even before he becomes public:
Revelation 17:12-13,17

"The 10 horns that you observed are 10 rulers... who are to receive power and authority for a single hour, along with the beast. These have one common policy (purpose), and they deliver their power to the beast... God has put it into their hearts to carry out His own purpose by acting in harmony in surrendering their royal power and authority to the beast until the prophetic words of God shall be fulfilled." [Revelation 17:12-13, 17]

A careful reading of this passage makes it very clear that the 10 rulers devise a plan prior to the appearance of Antichrist, and that they plan to turn their political power over to the Antichrist as soon as he arises. This scenario is very consistent with Daniel's revelations about the 10 toes and 10 rulers in Daniel 2 and Daniel 7, respectively.

Therefore, when we see the U.S. President leading the global charge to a United Nations' government, we know that this is Satan's plan, not God's. We can also know that its final implementation is the result of a conspiracy, supernaturally directed by Satan for well over 100 years. And, just as the Bible foretold, this conspiracy will result in the appearance of Antichrist.
Source:
Link
UN Divides the World into 10 Regional Groupings
http://nuclearsuntan.blogspot.ca/
Link
The Post War II New World Order Map: A Proposal to Re-arrange the World after an Allied Victory | Global Research
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-po...e-world-after-an-allied-victory/19706?print=1

 

[iamlamad]

No, it would not. The prince who shall come, the little horn with is his EU army moves into the middle east following Gog/Magog secures all the oil producing territory in the region as those nations and armies are decimated.... under the guise of securing peace in the region. The motivator of course for the EU is to gain control of the middle east oil. His army will be in the region as occupiers of those decimated muslim nations, but not as a conqueror of Israel.

He, himself will be embraced by the Jews as their messiah because of his intent to stave of the Gog/Magog invasion by massing his army in Greece as a deterrent. But it doesn't stop GogMagog from invading and being destroyed by God supernaturally. Israel will probably send missiles into those muslim nations on their capitals as well, which one of them could be Damascus..

It is not until he becomes the beast around the 3 years, 3 months into the 7 years, the Aod setup to be worshiped, and the Jews start fleeing, that his army already in the region moves into Jerusalem to secure it for the beast and to cutoff the fleeing and hold them in Jerusalem as captives. With the two witnesses gone, his army tramples the city and nation for the 42 months of the second half.

This is a theory. That is all it is. Suppose you show us some scripture that backs this theory up.

the 3 years, 3 months into the 7 years, the Aod setup to be worshiped

Actually, scripture is against this part of your theory. The Beast is revealed at the exact midpoint by the man of sin entering the temple and declaring he is god. The False Prophet shows up some time later. We have no idea how much later, for John does not tell us. It is the False Prophet that persuades the Beast to create an image. You want this image to show up early. It will not happen.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease...

When a Gentile enters the Most Holy place in the temple, the temple will be defiled and all sacrifices MUST CEASE. So it is the man of sin entering the temple that will divide the week into two equal halves. I suspect LATER, after the False Prophet shows up, that the image is created and placed in the Most Holy place.