Let's clear up the Eschatology Scripture?

[Linet Kihonge]

Revelations Begins with the Trumpet of the Seven Churches: These Churches could still be a representative of some of the mainstream churches in the world today. I have no Idea which one represents which.

So Let me Jump to the Seals
- Break out of a War
- Economic Collapse
- Famine, Plague (Disease breakout), and attack from animals
- A Cosmic Catastrophe that affects earth too

Rev 7
Sealing of the servants of God

Revelation 8 The trumpets
- Massive wild-fires
- Turning of the sea into bloody red killing sea animals/destruction of ships
- Waters turning bitter
- A Cosmic event, and fading out of the stars
- Attack of an insect of some sort
- Volcanic effects but on a massive scale

Revelation 11
- Taking up of Jerusalem by Gentiles and it will be for 42 months
- The rising of the two witnesses who will prophesy for those 3 1/2 years.
- The 7th Trumpet the preparation for Judgement of dead and rewarding for Saints

Revelation 13
- The rising of the beast who will be the "Gentiles that torture Saints for 42 months
- The Beast will take over the world and force people to have his mark and worship it's image or otherwise, face death.

Revelation 14
- The harvesting in fulfillment of Revelation 6 or the seal on the avenging of martyred saints. The number had reached as asked in the verse. Their blood had reached the heavens and it was time to avenge it.

Revelation 15
- Preparation of God's wrath to the murderers of his children.

Revelation 16 - The Plagues/Wrath
- Breaking out of sores
- Turning bloody red in seas that everything died
- Turning blood red in all types of water, rivers and springs
- Solar radiation or exposure to a glaring sun
- Kingdom of the beast in total darkness
- Gathering of Gog and Maggog/ Armageddon
- Destruction of the "Dark" City and hail stones weighing 45kgs hit them.

Revelation 17 & 18
- Destruction of Babylon and it's desertion

Revelation 19
- Vision of the Rider on the white horse
- Preparation of the Bride

Revelation 20
- The Devil and the Dragon thrown into Abyss for 1,000 Years
- The Resurrection of the Saints to reign with Christ
- After the 1,000 years, they (The Gog and Maggog) surrounded the City God Loved but they were thrown into the lake of fire before they could do anything.
- Judgement of the dead

Revelation 21
- The New Jerusalem in its splendor

Revelation 22
- The Last Comments on preparation for the Churches around the WORLD!!!

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Matthew 24 [For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.]

 

[LastSeven]

Linet, do you believe the book of Revelation is 100% chronologically written?

 

[Linet Kihonge]

what are you saying? :/

 

[Douggg]

Linet, do it like this...

The end times bible verses are not that hard to understand if a person gets a hold of the idea that the person goes through about three stages.

First as becoming the little horn leader of Europe.
Then as the perceived messiah to the Jews, false King of Israel, the first half of the seven years, the Antichrist. Once that ends...
Then as the beast, global dictator, of Revelation 13, for the second half of the seven years.



First as becoming the little horn leader of Europe.
Daniel 7 comes up among ten kings
Gog/magog

Then as the perceived messiah to the Jews, false King of Israel, the first half of the seven years, the Antichrist.
the rider on the white horse - first seal
Daniel 9:27 confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years
the two witnesses
the great falling away in Christianity
he commits the transgression of desolation, Daniel 8, 2thessalonians2:4

once that ends.......

Then as the beast, global dictator, of Revelation 13, for the second half of the seven years.
the rider on the red horse - second seal
the rider on the black horse - third seal
the rider on the pale horse - the fourth seal
revelation 7
revelation 8
revelation 9
Satan cast down
bowl judgments
Daniel 11 battles
Revelation 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19
The abomination of desolation
666
Armageddon
Ezekiel 39:17-20

 

[LastSeven]

what are you saying? :/

I'm wondering if you think that everything in chapter 18 comes before everything in chapter 19 and everything in chapter 19 comes before everything in chapter 20, and so on and so forth.

 

[Revealing Times]

I'm wondering if you think that everything in chapter 18 comes before everything in chapter 19 and everything in chapter 19 comes before everything in chapter 20, and so on and so forth.

I did a blog/thread on Disqus that pertains to this question.

Revelation is not in chronological order

Revelation chapter six is the Seals so it is not ending right before the return of Christ with us Saints in Revelation 19. The end of each of these chapters I point out below ends close to Jesus' return, like chapter 12, we know it starts at around the birth of Israel/birth of Christ but it ends with Satan chasing Israel into the wilderness in the 42 month period and her being protected 42 months, which puts the end of the chapter right at Jesus' return.

1. Revelation chapter 7 ends with the Saints that died in the Tribulation standing before the throne of God.
2. Rev. 9 has the Armies of Armageddon/200 thousand, thousand.
3. Rev. 10 is John eating the the book which had the uttering's of the seven thunders, in 7:7 it says when he begins to sound, the mystery of God will be finished.
4. In Revelation 11 the two witnesses prophesy 1260 days. The end of the 1260 will be the end.
5. In Revelation chapter 12 I have already explained, it ends with Israel in the Wilderness
6. Rev. 13 speaks of the Beast and his 42 months. This will be the end no doubt.
7. Rev. 14 has Jesus and the 144,000 and ends with the angel thrusting the sickle into the earth to harvest the harvest.
8. Rev. 15 is the Seven Last Plagues.
9. Rev. 16 is the Seven Vials of Gods wrath.
9. Rev. 17 is the Great Harlot being Judged of God.
10. Rev. 18 is the World (Babylon) being judged by God.

Then in Revelation 19 we see the Saints who were Raptured coming back with Jesus on white horses. So much of the book of Revelation is happening at the same time.

All of those chapters are happening concurrently.

 

[LastSeven]

Well, you're on the right track. At least you've recognized that it's not all in chronological order, but take a closer look at Revelation 11 and Revelation 12.

In Revelation 11 you'll see the description of the seventh trumpet. In that description you'll see that the time has come for the judging of the dead. We know this happens after the thousand years, as per Revelation 20. Also, we see that God and his Christ begin their eternal reign at this time. We know that this also happens after the thousand years, as per Revelation 21 and 22.

So Revelation 11 takes place at the end of the thousand years.

Now look at Revelation 12. This is where Satan is cast out of heaven, and Jesus gains his authority. In Luke 10:18 Jesus saw Satan fall from heaven. Also in Matthew 28:18 Jesus told us that he received his authority. Revelation 12 links these two events together on the timeline, and so since they both occurred while Jesus was on earth 2000 years ago, we know that Revelation 12 is already in our distant past.

There are other such clues (such as the battle of Armageddon being mentioned three times), but these are the most obvious. Bottom line, Revelation is written in a style called "Progressive parallelism" and the author literally jumps around on the eschatological timeline. I encourage everyone to look it up. It will change the way you look at eschatology.

 

[Revealing Times]

Well, you're on the right track. At least you've recognized that it's not all in chronological order, but take a closer look at Revelation 11 and Revelation 12.

In Revelation 11 you'll see the description of the seventh trumpet. In that description you'll see that the time has come for the judging of the dead. We know this happens after the thousand years, as per Revelation 20. Also, we see that God and his Christ begin their eternal reign at this time. We know that this also happens after the thousand years, as per Revelation 21 and 22.

So Revelation 11 takes place at the end of the thousand years.

Hello brother, it very well could be that way, but from reading the entire verse, I think it is referring to the Tares being Bound, in other words they are Bound to be judged. Now that might sound dicey until we read the entire verse, what are all the clues pointing toward ? And the Nations are angry, because Gods Wrath has come, well we know the Seven Vials are Gods Wrath. Then we see that Gods Prophets and Saints will be Rewarded, we know God is not going to wait 1000 years to reward his faithful servants, and at last we destroy (slay) those that destroy the earth (via sin). I am not saying there is no chance of your understanding not being correct, I am just saying that if we weigh everything in the balance, it appears to be at the end of the Tribulation period.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Now look at Revelation 12. This is where Satan is cast out of heaven, and Jesus gains his authority. In Luke 10:18 Jesus saw Satan fall from heaven. Also in Matthew 28:18 Jesus told us that he received his authority. Revelation 12 links these two events together on the timeline, and so since they both occurred while Jesus was on earth 2000 years ago, we know that Revelation 12 is already in our distant past.

I am pretty hip on this passage, I wrote a blog on this I think, pretty sure, been awhile. I will try to be brief here. It is kind of an oblique passage, but we have to use the OT to decipher it. The wonder in heaven is Israel, she is the woman, she gives birth to Jesus, the Dragon tries to slay baby Jesus, who grows into a man-child and ascends up to heaven at the Right hand of God, along the way the Dragon takes a 1/3 of the Angels with him in his rebellion. NOW, I am going to try a show you where this is it the midway point of the Tribulation, be patient brother. The Woman,(Israel) flees into the Wilderness to be protected of God for 1260 Days. The exact time that Satan comes and possesses the Anti-Christ, the Exact time he is given to over come the Saints, the exact time he is given to defile the Temple etc. etc.

Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (Israel) which brought forth the man child.(Jesus).

Now lets look at Daniel chapter 12, and when Michael stands up. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Rev. 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. {{ This is the exact same event as Daniel chapter 12, the KEY IS BELOW }}

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

KEY HERE Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

So Daniel 12 and Rev. 12 happens at the SAME TIME, that is a given right ? Now, Daniel chapter 12 and Matthew 24 also happen at the exact SAME TIME, there will be trouble like never before and it will never be worse. CATCH THAT ? Michael has to stand up, at the very time of the Abomination of Desolation. See Matthew 24:15, Jesus says when you see the Abomination of Desolation, FLEE into the wilderness, for there will be trouble like never before or since. So Daniel 12:1-2 has to happen at the same time as Matthew 24, for it speaks of the trouble in the exact same manner. So Rev. 12 then has to happen at the Mid-Way point or at the time of the Abomination of Desolation.

 

[Straightshot]

Yes to RT above


And the tares [the spirits of all dead men] gathered, bundled and burned will occur here [Revelation 20:11-15] just after the Lord's millennial kingdom

The wheat of His true ecclesia will be gathered into the barn of eternity [Revelation 21]

 

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[Revealing Times]

The wheat and tares is not dead people being judged. These grow
together until the end of the world harvest.

This same setting is found in Matthew 25.

Who are they ? They can't be the Church so who are the Wheat and the Tares in your opinion ?

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Straightshot]

'The wheat and tares is not dead people being judged. These grow
together until the end of the world harvest."

Yes .... exactly what I said .... spirits of the dead will be resurrected to the second death

The mortals of the Lord's ecclesia will enter eternity .... read the scriptures that I gave you

The Lord is looking long in His projection of the wheat and the tares

 

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[Revealing Times]

They are the people that are still alive just ahead of the new earth.
They get divided up and the goats people go to the eternal fire. The
righteous sheep people inherit the kingdom and are no longer able to
bear children, as flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
The end part of Matthew 24 sets the time for chapter 25.
heaven and earth shall pass away
...that day....chapter 25

Here is what I wrote above, I will trim it way down to a concise couple of sentences since you two guys understand scriptures. I think the Tares are the wicked that Jesus destroys when he returns, with us Saints, but we are not the Wheat, that is only Israel, who is in the wilderness when Jesus comes back. The Lord slays the wicked (Tares) by the sword of his mouth (binds them to burn in a 1000 years) and the he gathers Israel unto his Barn.

This way the Tares are bound first just like Jesus said.

 

[vinsight4u]

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