Lets accept it.

[headedhome]

Come on people, all of us who have struggled with same sex attractions, homosexuality, transexuality, or whatever. If we truly look at scripture, if we truly believe in Jesus, then lets get over it. Sin is sin, all of these things are sin. God did not create us to be this way. We have allowed the enemy to confuse us. Jesus is the way and the truth, truth is God created man for woman, woman for man, in marraige. It's time I/we stop looking for excuses as to why we are how we are and accept the fact. We need to turn it all over to God, forget our feelings, feelings lie, we lie, the world lies, the enemy lies, only God is 100% truthful and He says, I didn't make you to be that way. It is sin. Get over it.

 

[allofgrace]

Lots of compassion in that post, headedhome.

 

[BondmaidenOfChrist]

Amen brother!
All through society today people are making excuses, wether it's "a life style"
or a "It's just the way I am".This simply isn't true. It's a lie from satan, people, don't let him get a hold on you! You can say I struggle with homosexuality that's Okay, everyone struggles with something! I struggle with masturbation, but I'm not going to accept the lie from the deciver "that it's just the way I am." Because it's not true.It's not true for any believer! Once you ask Christ into you life you no longer have you identity in sin.You have been cleansed, forgiven, and you identity is now in Christ!Your core being is no longer evil, it is good.You identity is not in homosexuality, it's in Jesus our savior.The Holy Spirit Lives in every beliver.Think about that for a minute.You body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, Try, not on you own power but with God on you side to keep it clean.You can be more than conquerors!

 

[spr]

The world doesn't need compassion for their lusts, they need guidance. Feelings lie, amen. I have followed my feelings before, and I now understand how terribly far they can lead one astray. God kept me in my time of confusion, but I wish I would have never chased after a feeling I thought was "from God".

All of us must learn lessons, and usually our lessons involve alot of pain. God knows exactly what we need in order to keep us from stumbling when we get on the right path. We need memories to look back on that bring thoughs like, "oh no, never ever ever again, not for anything in the world will I do that again"..

God is truth, there is nothing better one can do in their life than deny the entire world, pray, and fill themselvs with only good things (gods word, things that don't bring negative spirits like tv..).

I once heard a pastor on a christian station saying how some christians dont "pace" their christian lives properly. They spiritually "sprint" then get tired out and backslide. He was infering that christians shouldn't sprint towards god, and the way he worded it it sounded really good at the time. I looked back on it later and realized how deceptive it was. This world is filled with so much garbage, its in me, in others, I can't trust myself or anyone else. Trusting in God has been such a draining process for me over the last year or so, and I am just now starting to feel grounded.

Have to climb to the top of a steep mountian in fear and trembling, then you start your journey. But when your journey starts your leaning on God and not yourself.

God bless all who want to give it all away!

 

[headedhome]

There are times we need to deal with something without trying to disguise it as compassion. Compassion is obviously very important but even more important is truth. If we're compassionate to a point of not leading others out of sin, is that really compassion. If a blind man were walking towards a cliff and you warned him, to which he replied "I think your wrong, I'll be alright". Would it be compassionate to let him continue on? I think it would be more compassionate to hurt his feelings and physically stop him if neccessary.

 

[allofgrace]

I do agree with you. God's truth should never be compromised or watered down. We should not allow someone to remain in sin. I do think however that our message should be conveyed with compassion and understanding. I don't ever remember Christ telling someone to "get over it." He was direct, but loving. His harshest words were for the self righteous pharisees. There are people that struggle with these things that might fit in to that category, but most that I've met do not. I only wanted to know that God did still love me even though I struggled with these feelings. I knew the truth, I already knew it was wrong. The Gospel is offensive, we shouldn't be. I want them to reject the truth on the message alone, not the message because of the messenger.

 

[Nathan585]

Come on people, all of us who have struggled with same sex attractions, homosexuality, transexuality, or whatever. If we truly look at scripture, if we truly believe in Jesus, then lets get over it. Sin is sin, all of these things are sin. God did not create us to be this way. We have allowed the enemy to confuse us. Jesus is the way and the truth, truth is God created man for woman, woman for man, in marraige. It's time I/we stop looking for excuses as to why we are how we are and accept the fact. We need to turn it all over to God, forget our feelings, feelings lie, we lie, the world lies, the enemy lies, only God is 100% truthful and He says, I didn't make you to be that way. It is sin. Get over it.

Amen, buddy.
I've been realizing more and more in seeking the Lord the past few months (particularly with such issues) that it really NEEDS to be that simple. It really IS that simple! The ONLY thing that really complicates it is us.
"Just say No" is really not all that farfetched when it comes to sin. That's what resistance is!

Don't worry about people that act like it's not a compassionate enough attitude. That's just silly. This attitude does not contradict compassion, but truth can hurt a bit when we don't want to hear it.
Years ago I felt moved when people would over-do the compassion when I would share problems and "struggles". I later began to realize that it only enabled me.
Be compassionate! But tell the truth! But be compassionate....

 

[luckyjam72]

allofgrace... that's true! You don't want to DRILL it into someone or really PUSH beliefs on someone. We can't make someone else believe... they have to do it for themselves. We can only let them know, and pray that their hearts will change.

 

[Johnnz]

God did not create us to be this way. We have allowed the enemy to confuse us.

The trouble with this arguement lies when we apply it to other circumstances. What about people who are mentally retarded , physically deformed, have genetic defects? Were these people created by God to be like that, or is their state due to their accepting their condition instead of seeing it as the result of evil and trying to change themselves?

What about people who are bipolar, or schizophrenic? Are they too guilty of acting sinfully?

Where is Scripture does it say that our sexuality is the one area of life where everyone is born absolutely normal?

I am not trying to whitewash the biblical position on same sex relationships. But it may just be a bit more complex that you are suggesting. That' swhere compassion and mercy come in.

John
NZ

 

[allofgrace]

Guys, perhaps I overreacted to the original post, and for that I am sorry. The truth should be proclaimed first and foremost, I just disagreed with the get over it comment. If someone had said that to me, I would have walked away. I knew what I was doing was wrong, I didn't know to get out. The truth does set you free, I just think we have to be careful in how we proclaim the truth. Sorry if I offended.

For me I did not choose these inclinations. God is not the author of sin, but He allowed me to struggle with these attractions, and I still do. He could have taken them away in an instant, but has chosen to not. It's my cross, I accept it. I no longer shrink back from it, but am trying to use it for God's Glory. That is what's most important.

shawn

 

[headedhome]

No we don't need to apply this argument to the other circumstances that you mention. God doesn't call them sin. He does call sexual immorality sin. God didn't make us to sin but gives us a choice. God looks at the heart, I'm pretty sure he can tell the difference between a mentally impaired person taking something they don't own and a person stealing. Your trying to cover sin by "the what if game". Compassion and looking the other way when it comes to what God calls sin, are not the same thing. God says its sin, its sin, end of story.

The trouble with this arguement lies when we apply it to other circumstances. What about people who are mentally retarded , physically deformed, have genetic defects? Were these people created by God to be like that, or is their state due to their accepting their condition instead of seeing it as the result of evil and trying to change themselves?

What about people who are bipolar, or schizophrenic? Are they too guilty of acting sinfully?

Where is Scripture does it say that our sexuality is the one area of life where everyone is born absolutely normal?

I am not trying to whitewash the biblical position on same sex relationships. But it may just be a bit more complex that you are suggesting. That' swhere compassion and mercy come in.

John
NZ

 

[Mr.Cheese]

I don't think it's fair for the op to address only one issue.
No one on this planet is perfect. We are all fallen. I know a girl who tried to do God a favor by trying to kill herself because she was sure he hated her for how she was. She hated herself that much. She couldn't "get over it" so she decided to rid God of her defective, evil life.
She made me rethink everything I thought I knew about gay people.

I'm not gay. Never have been. Never was confused about it. I completely can't begin to understand what it must be like. I've messed around with girls, messed around with drugs, drank like a fish, and a host of other things. I can comment on those things. But being gay, I've never been there. I will stick to what I know and let grace lead me in the things I don't understand.

 

[DavetheProphet]

The trouble with this arguement lies when we apply it to other circumstances. What about people who are mentally retarded , physically deformed, have genetic defects? Were these people created by God to be like that, or is their state due to their accepting their condition instead of seeing it as the result of evil and trying to change themselves?

What about people who are bipolar, or schizophrenic? Are they too guilty of acting sinfully?

Where is Scripture does it say that our sexuality is the one area of life where everyone is born absolutely normal?

I am not trying to whitewash the biblical position on same sex relationships. But it may just be a bit more complex that you are suggesting. That' swhere compassion and mercy come in.

John
NZ

Those people were made the way they were, because those are bodily defects and aren't in control by the person. And God never said that it was wrong to be these ways, only did he say that man and woman are meant for each other, and to go against that is wrong. Yes, mercy and compassion from people and from God should come into play when dealing with this type of thing, but that doesn't mean we accept that it is ok. Love is the key thing, and that deals with doing things in the best interest of the person, which is to help them end sinful behavior instead if let it develop.

 

[xoestherxo3]

that is sooo true
Amen to that!

 

[invisible trousers]

i find it interesting how threads like this never have input from actual people who aren't straight.

 

[headedhome]

Not all who are straight now, always were. I know I did struggle with being bisexual for years. I still have to stay focused on Jesus or I could slip. Therefore, I've decided to accept this and draw closer to Christ. As long as I'm walking close to Jesus my bisexual urges are gone. Its up to me to accept to do something about this SIN that wants to gain a foothold in my flesh. Thankfully God has told me "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak". Knowing this I need to constantly be drawing closer to Christ. If we stop growing closer we'll start slipping away. Again lets accept it, the Truth, not the lies from our flesh, feelings, or the world. Truth is bisexuality is a SIN. I know I'm not perfect but am being perfected (Phil 1:6). Am I gonna let the perfecting process continue, or am I going to fight against it. To be perfected I must accept sin as sin, and not just accept the lie "its who I am". This is a lie from Hell, its not who I was meant to be. The only way this is me is if I buy into the lie that I was made that way and I cant do anything about it. In words the world may understand. That is a bunch of crap.

 

[invisible trousers]

i sincerly hope that confused gay/bi christians who happen to read this thread don't follow any of the advice given.

 

[PetraFan007]

Rebel Against Sin And Fight For Freedom!!! In Jesus' Name!

 

[headedhome]

Let me see if I understand. You do not want any confused gay/bi Christians to accept the fact that they are living an ungodly life style and need to accept the Truth and change, as they can. No one is born gay or bi.

i sincerly hope that confused gay/bi christians who happen to read this thread don't follow any of the advice given.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

I completely agree with everything the first poster said.