Lethal injection is not Biblical.

ChristOurCaptain said:

And how is "He/she has committed murder (maybe MASS murder) - they have lost their right to life" not just?
Revenge, would be saying: "You killed one from my family, that means I kill one from your family".
Making a murderer pay the price for his/her crime is not revenge. It is justice. To not accept this, is to let the monsters off the hook.

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No, to not punish them at all is to let monsters off the hook. I don't see justice in killing someone who is no longer a threat.

ChristOurCaptain said:

And how is "He/she has committed murder (maybe MASS murder) - they have lost their right to life" not just?
Revenge, would be saying: "You killed one from my family, that means I kill one from your family".
Making a murderer pay the price for his/her crime is not revenge. It is justice. To not accept this, is to let the monsters off the hook.

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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”


― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

For the most part I'm against the DP. however, there are some crimes and atrocities so heinous and sick there might not be any other form of justice to give peace of mind to the victims' family and peers.

IanCG said:

And when you do that, you have for-profit prisons with a vested interest in maintaining as many prisoners as they can for as long as they can as a source of legal slave labor.

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Good idea... but we can somehow make them help our economy with free labor... It would help

I Eat Pie said:

Good idea... but we can somehow make them help our economy with free labor... It would help

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It would get more Americans in prison for longer.

Not if we could regulate it somehow.

I Eat Pie said:

Not if we could regulate it somehow.

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We can't even regulate it now.

Aw pft -.-

It just seems lame to make them just sit in a cage. At least have them do work or put some classrooms in the jails to help them excel somewhere in their lives or help out the country,

It is the responsibility of the government to take care of justice, so that people don't feel obligated to take justice into their own hands.

It is not about expense. It is not about deterrence. It is not about rehabilitation. Above all, it is about justice.

Sometimes, everything less than the death penalty falls short of dealing justice to the victims and to the memory of especially heinous crimes.

Hawisher said:

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”


― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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The logical consequence of this, is that you should not support having a justice system at all. Hey, just let them loose, because we all make mistakes, right?

I Eat Pie said:

I think instead of prison, we should send some people to work camps and make them build out military equipment for no cost. But we'd have to inspect them after... cause you know, they might make them wrong on purpose

Or make them build iphones for 10 hours a day. Hard labor builds character 8) (or not)

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I Eat Pie said:

Good idea... but we can somehow make them help our economy with free labor... It would help

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Widespread usage of prison labor would damage whatever part of the economy it is used in by replacing payed labor with near slave labor.

IanCG said:

No, to not punish them at all is to let monsters off the hook. I don't see justice in killing someone who is no longer a threat.

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You're operating on the assumption that someone in prison can no longer be a threat to society...

I suggest you do some research on some notorious prison gangs. There were numerous accounts of people (locked up) still ordering hits from the inside...

miniverchivi said:

You're operating on the assumption that someone in prison can no longer be a threat to society...

I suggest you do some research on some notorious prison gangs. There were numerous accounts of people (locked up) still ordering hits from the inside...

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Interestingly, though, the particular men who can order hits from the inside are unlikely to be incarcerated for capital crimes. They were more likely incarcerated for something like tax evasion.

If we were exacting the death penalty on people who posed a continuing threat of violence even while imprisoned (or afterward), we would have a somewhat different range of capital crimes than we do.

I Eat Pie said:

Good idea... but we can somehow make them help our economy with free labor... It would help

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Free (slave) labor is never, ever beneficial to an economy. You're talking about the government providing free what a segment of the economy is attempting to sell. That's beneficial to those who own the labor, yes, but not to the economy as a whole, especially working people whose "product for sale" is their labor.

For instance, the big phenomenon today in the US is in privately owned prisons. Yes, many states have outsourced their responsibility of prison maintenance. That means if they used their prisoners for "free labor"--it would not be free except for them. They would charge the state for the labor at a rate lower than commercial construction companies would charge. Those companies would lose business, and men who are living honest lives doing honest labor would lose out.

Well actually, we can have them do jobs that we'de rather send over seas to China, like the making of iphones. So it wouldn't effect the economy. On the other side, it'll give inmates something to do with all that spare time... It's better than them hanging out with gangs. Because our prison gang populations are huge.

Either that or put schools in jails. Anything to keep them from repeating offences after they're released sounds like an improvement...

I Eat Pie said:

Well actually, we can have them do jobs that we'de rather send over seas to China, like the making of iphones.

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Like that's good for the US economy? Well, it's good for Apple stockholders, but not for Americans who had been trained in the 80s for electronic assembly line work.

Either that or put schools in jails. Anything to keep them from repeating offences after they're released sounds like an improvement...

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A big problem there is failing to officially acknowledge that prisons as they are now organized are "colleges for crime," and to discriminate between those for whom the only option is incarceration and those who would benefit by something else.

Usethepen said:

Lethal injection is not a Biblical form of execution.


Should the death penalty be changed?

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Lethal injection is not biblical---neither are cars, micro waves, computers, refrigerators, electricity, TV's--sewing machines--condoms--vacuum cleaners--what is the point?? If you question the death penalty, then just ask if it should be abolished. It is ridiculous to bring the bible approved form of execution into the modern world.
we've got literally millions of people in jail, and we must clothe, feed, provide medical care for them, sometimes for life. Plus now they must have TV, computer access, exercise equipment and conjugal visits, and phone use. Not to mention, tooth paste, tooth brushes, tampax, deodorant and we also pay for all those trials and appeals. The cost of keeping one prisoner for one year was estimated at $31,309.00 in 2010 (according to CBS news). It took me years to get to the point where I was making that much a year!! Now, prisoners are entitled to sex change drugs, so the likes of Richard Speck (I think that was his name) can have boobs for his lovers pleasure.
How can anyone make a statement about the death penalty being a deterent or not when there is no place that really has the death penalty strictly enforced to compare it to places that have no death penalty??
The FBI stats show violent crimes have declined over the last 20 years--though it doesn't seem like it. The one area that accurate stats can't really be made is in crimes against children as those often do not get reported until years later.
The cost of the lethal injection drugs is $87.00---but you have to add the cost of seperate death row jail cells, appeals, attorneys, and manpower-and I couldn't find an accurate cost for that which can send the cost higher than the yearly cost of imprisonment--but then if it only takes a couple years to bring them to execution date, then the totals for 7 years, then execution drops as compared to 20-50 years in prison.
A dog that kills a human is promptly put down. In fact, any animal that kills a human is promptly put down. A man that kidnaps, tortures, rapes a child can spend several years in jail, then gets out to do it again. If the child is killed, maybe he'll get life.---Bottom line to all this ranting??---I haven't got a clue!!
Justice is supposed to be thrown in there somewhere.

Desk trauma said:

Widespread usage of prison labor would damage whatever part of the economy it is used in by replacing payed labor with near slave labor.

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Consistently low-priced labor is, on the whole, beneficial to the economy. The problems it causes by reducing employment do not outweigh the benefits of low-priced goods.

I Eat Pie said:

Well actually, we can have them do jobs that we'de rather send over seas to China, like the making of iphones. So it wouldn't effect the economy.

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It's not that companies send jobs to china because they want to do so, they send them because economic reality compels them to. Creating a slave labour pool for them to draw on within the US would benefit companies but not workers within the sectors farmed out to slave labor as their jobs would evaporate. Not to mention the potential for abuse if labor supplies run low.

miniverchivi said:

You're operating on the assumption that someone in prison can no longer be a threat to society...

I suggest you do some research on some notorious prison gangs. There were numerous accounts of people (locked up) still ordering hits from the inside...

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That's more a problem with our prison industrial complex than it is about capital punishment.