Let the Segregation Commence

[KarateCowboy]

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-13jl.html

I thought I'd share this with you, since it is interesting.

Commencement weekend is hard to plan at the University of California, Los Angeles. The university now has so many separate identity-group graduations that scheduling them not to conflict with one another is a challenge. The women’s studies graduation and the Chicana/Chicano studies graduation are both set for 10 AM Saturday. The broader Hispanic graduation, “Raza,” is in near-conflict with the black graduation, which starts just an hour later.

 

[NeTrips]

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-13jl.html

I thought I'd share this with you, since it is interesting.

I wonder what the reaction would be to Christian only, white only, or male only ceremonies would be....

Remeber, "together we can!"

 

[PeterMaclellan]

Well when being Christian, white or male becomes a liability instead pf a boon in todays society then you can have all the exclusive ceremonies you want.

 

[NeTrips]

Well when being Christian, white or male becomes a liability instead pf a boon in todays society then you can have all the exclusive ceremonies you want.

ever heard of affirmative action? Or how about erasing years of tax evasion with a $2000 stay-in-the-country-free fee?

 

[wanderingone]

The university shouldn't be holding ethnic based graduations instead of the general graduation however if these are individual majors, or clubs having events for their departments who cares? I attended a CUNY school there was a general ceremony with thousands of graduates it's not practical to read everyone's name as family and friends faint in the sun. Then each department has their own ceremony.

So it depends on what the actual ceremonies are, and who sponsors them, it's not entirely clear from the this article.

 

[Voegelin]

Promoters of ethnic and racial graduations often talk about the strong sense of community that they favor

Same justification the Klan used when it recruited members. Middle and low income Protestants needed a strong sense of community because Catholics, Jews, upper income Protestants (the old southern landowners) and blacks had strong communities.

 

[chaz345]

Well when being Christian, white or male becomes a liability instead pf a boon in todays society then you can have all the exclusive ceremonies you want.

I don't see where that matters in the least. Exclusivity is exclusivity and promotes further division, no matter who is doing the excluding. "Oppressed" minorities doing the excluding is no less damaging and divisive to society than if anyone else is doing it.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Well when being Christian, white or male becomes a liability instead pf a boon in todays society then you can have all the exclusive ceremonies you want.

In other words you are going to give one set of priveledges to people of one race and another set to people of a different race? That's called racism, sir.

 

[PassionFruit]

I don't see where that matters in the least. Exclusivity is exclusivity and promotes further division, no matter who is doing the excluding. "Oppressed" minorities doing the excluding is no less damaging and divisive to society than if anyone else is doing it.

Why did you put quotations around the word oppressed? Do you think minorities are equal?

 

[chaz345]

Why did you put quotations around the word oppressed? Do you think minorities are equal?

No I just think that the word oppressed carries connotations of intent and of severity that are no longer present in America today.

 

[Caylin]

Promoters of ethnic and racial graduations often talk about the strong sense of community that they favor

Same justification the Klan used when it recruited members. Middle and low income Protestants needed a strong sense of community because Catholics, Jews, upper income Protestants (the old southern landowners) and blacks had strong communities.

... Coming from the person that wants to make every activity ever Christian.

 

[Ringo84]

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That's a verse taken out of context if I've ever seen one.
Ringo

 

[Voegelin]

... Coming from the person that wants to make every activity ever Christian.

You must have someone else in mind. Never suggested any such thing.

 

[shye]

they should make them suffer with one ceremony, if we get lucky we might have a few less people in this world

 

[PeterMaclellan]

This isn't about rights or benefits, a seperate ceremony for minorities to recognize their achievements doesn't gain them anything accept pride in their accomplishments. It's not like employers will care what ceremony you attended when you graduate. And if you think affirmative action means whites have a lower chance of success in the world then minorities I would question your sanity. One need only look at the races of the senate, house of representatives, CEO's and executives to see that whites are still over represented and make more money then most visible minorities in these positions. If your born black to a poor family, you begin life with the field stacked against you, affirmative actions merely attempts to balance the playing field, though it still doesn't succeed.

 

[KarateCowboy]

This isn't about rights or benefits, a seperate ceremony for minorities to recognize their achievements doesn't gain them anything accept pride in their accomplishments. It's not like employers will care what ceremony you attended when you graduate. And if you think affirmative action means whites have a lower chance of success in the world then minorities I would question your sanity. One need only look at the races of the senate, house of representatives, CEO's and executives to see that whites are still over represented and make more money then most visible minorities in these positions. If your born black to a poor family, you begin life with the field stacked against you, affirmative actions merely attempts to balance the playing field, though it still doesn't succeed.

So in Zimbabwe things are rougher for blacks than whites? I have a dream that some day students will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Affirmative action is nothing but sympathetic racism.

 

[chaz345]

This isn't about rights or benefits, a seperate ceremony for minorities to recognize their achievements doesn't gain them anything accept pride in their accomplishments. It's not like employers will care what ceremony you attended when you graduate. And if you think affirmative action means whites have a lower chance of success in the world then minorities I would question your sanity. One need only look at the races of the senate, house of representatives, CEO's and executives to see that whites are still over represented and make more money then most visible minorities in these positions. If your born black to a poor family, you begin life with the field stacked against you, affirmative actions merely attempts to balance the playing field, though it still doesn't succeed.

I think you are confusing equal opportunity with equal results. When evaluating the success of, or the need for things like afirmative action, the only thing that matters and the only duty that society owes anyone, is equal opportunity. There are plenty of possibilities as to why equal opportunity may not translate to equal results.