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Let me try this with you: forecasting a particular mate, removes the need to retain Evolution?

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Hi there,

So, let's just say you are created by God and you are on Earth and you have a number of choices of mate. Suppose you choose a mate. Suppose you want to win this mate and its really important to you. Suppose that you have to compete for a mate and the nearest contest is ready to affirm a quicker mating than you. Rather than declare that you will affirm a quicker mating (than a quicker mating), you affirm that the most desired mate will come to you. Then there is no contest, because your contest cannot tell whom it was that you thought would come to you (and so therefore cannot directly compete).

If your mate comes to you, and you are happy with the choice, there is actually no way to say "it was because of this specific mutation". There is simply no way to tell what the mating was based on. If this happens repeatedly, from generation to generation, eventually the need or desire to understand what, how and where something was evolved, before it came to need or want a mate. The whole question of Evolution is moot.

This is in principle para-reversal: if mates can't be stopped choosing their own mate, the precise timing, strength and character of the mating, is down to the future generation to define - it is not up for debate, because the mystery of the previous generation has been received and accepted. There is no forecasting from a mystery, anything but a bigger mystery. Evolution is basically selling a lie, that if you just know enough connections between now and the past, you will have enough to describe the nature of the species, from here to fore.

This even still, is not remarkable: but to the mate and her choice, as regards those that have faith in principle in their offspring. The inspiration is the children. The children themselves are keenly aware of what it is that is expected of them, for they also are faced with the dilemma of what the generation after them will take to be inspiration. They neither will understand the mystery that takes hold of them, until they see the inspiration in their children. They will need to identify one past from another, but not one Evolution from another, because the heart of their commitment, does not need adulteration to fit a premised pace - toward the much denied telos of Evolution, which is nothing.

If you give in, because the inspiration is right - you are beyond needing Evolution, but commended to contrast with it, you are easily and lightly the Lord's (how ever He wants to define that).
 

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@Gottservant
On a very crude level, livestock breeding shows evolution to be inadequate. Unless you believe it all to be determined in stone, which eliminates the very idea of breeding, selective or otherwise.

I suppose eventually if you died and were reborn, may come to know the perfect mate.

Where I disagree is that because some people think the world is 6,000 years old. Everything was somehow zapped into existence from nothing. Which isn't very intelligent.

Teleos is a good word. Had Aristotle's works all been preserved, maybe Western civilisation would have advanced much differently.
 
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@-57 Intelligence; between choice. If something is not part of God it has no intelligence, like the idea of a Golem. If it's a preset, anthropomorphic image, it does not adapt.


(The) myth decleares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge-he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil-he became a moral being…The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy-all the cardinal values of his existence….the essence of his nature as a man. Whatever he was- that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love- he was not a man.”

― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
 
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@-57 Intelligence; between choice. If something is not part of God it has no intelligence, like the idea of a Golem. If it's a preset, anthropomorphic image, it does not adapt.


(The) myth decleares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge-he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil-he became a moral being…The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy-all the cardinal values of his existence….the essence of his nature as a man. Whatever he was- that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love- he was not a man.”

― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
The bible doen'nt teach that. What you have presented is pure speculation.
The event in the garden was historical and literal. Caused by disobedience. The result was the fall which gave us our sin nature.
 
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The bible doen'nt teach that. What you have presented is pure speculation.
The event in the garden was historical and literal. Caused by disobedience. The result was the fall which gave us our sin nature.

So where do all the people come from, that Cain and Abel can have their own children with?
 
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So where do all the people come from, that Cain and Abel can have their own children with?
They came from Adam and Eve.
Gen 5:4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.

Cain could have married a sister or a cousin. i don't think Abel had children.
 
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@-57 That's still quite a distance to spread around the entire world and cross the ocean to other continents.

So what about things like fossils? fossil fuels. And hominin skulls.
Prior to the flood there was pretty much one continent.

Fossils of dinosaurs were made from the dinosaurs buried in the sediment by the world wide flood during Noahs time.

Fossil fuel was made from the vast amount of trees and other vegetation buried during the flood.

Hominid skulls? I don't know what you are getting at here.
 
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@-57 So what about valleys carved by glaciers. Or the Grand Canyon that is estimated to be 6 million years old at least. If God wanted mankind to believe in him, why design a world to mimic previous erosion, that never really occurred.

The biomass doesn't seem to fit. The amount of material that would have had to been layered up. Even sequoia trees are 3,000 years old +. But the time they are compressed down would not add up to the quantity of hydro-carbons, in such a short time frame.

Neanderthal skulls and other humanoid skulls.
 
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@-57 So what about valleys carved by glaciers. Or the Grand Canyon that is estimated to be 6 million years old at least. If God wanted mankind to believe in him, why design a world to mimic previous erosion, that never really occurred.

The Grand Canyon was formed when the Hopi and Grand lakes drained through the area post flood.

The biomass doesn't seem to fit. The amount of material that would have had to been layered up. Even sequoia trees are 3,000 years old +. But the time they are compressed down would not add up to the quantity of hydro-carbons, in such a short time frame.

I'm not really sure how you can make or even support your position when you said "But the time they are compressed down would not add up to the quantity of hydro-carbons,". That sounds like sheer speculation on your part.

But, you do know they find tree's, bark in coal seams? They even find polystrate trees in coal.

Neanderthal skulls and other humanoid skulls.

Many scientist argue Neanderthals are humans.
 
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@-57 If that were the case, something like horseshoe bend would not exist. There still the issue of Glacial valleys like in Scotland, or the Half dome in Yosemite.

My point is to reduce down the amount of biomass that would be required for hydrocarbons just doesn't make sense as a rule of thumb. Given the amount of oil the world uses.

In order for things to scale, how does such a mass conspiracy make sense?
 
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