Lessons of Krishnaism: We are ALL Female!

[WonderBeat]

According to authentic Hinduism, we are all female and KRSNA is the Only Male. Due to the power of illusion or Maya, the spirit-soul imagines that she is male. This is due to the desire of the soul for mastery, to be the One Who Enjoys. In reality KRSNA is the one and only Enjoyer and we are enjoyers only insofar as His enjoyment dovetails with our own. He is the Beautiful One, He is the Object of our Greatest Joy, Love and Desire. He is the All-Attractive Male who is pure spirit (Purusha) together with RADHA His Energy (the Topmost Feminine). He is not merely one of the innumerable Prakrits (individual Jiva souls) but rather the Source of all the Prakrits (Para-Brahman).

The feminine form is to be covered over, as it is the embodiment of Maya, or that which deludes; but the Supreme male form is to be uncovered, as it is the Crest-Jewel, the Absolute Embodiment of infinite Love and Beauty; Verily He is the Good, the Peaceful, the One without a Second!

 

[awitch]

According to authentic Hinduism, we are all female and KRSNA is the Only Male.

I guess all marriages are now null and void except for lesbians legally married in Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Mexico, Aruba, Curaco, Saint Maarten, Israel, Uruguay, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Washington DC.

 

[TG123]

According to authentic Hinduism, we are all female and KRSNA is the Only Male. Due to the power of illusion or Maya, the spirit-soul imagines that she is male. This is due to the desire of the soul for mastery, to be the One Who Enjoys. In reality KRSNA is the one and only Enjoyer and we are enjoyers only insofar as His enjoyment dovetails with our own. He is the Beautiful One, He is the Object of our Greatest Joy, Love and Desire. He is the All-Attractive Male who is pure spirit (Purusha) together with RADHA His Energy (the Topmost Feminine). He is not merely one of the innumerable Prakrits (individual Jiva souls) but rather the Source of all the Prakrits (Para-Brahman).

The feminine form is to be covered over, as it is the embodiment of Maya, or that which deludes; but the Supreme male form is to be uncovered, as it is the Crest-Jewel, the Absolute Embodiment of infinite Love and Beauty; Verily He is the Good, the Peaceful, the One without a Second!

Welcome to Christian Forums. I have to say off the bat I have nothing against you personally and am sure you are a nice person. I have had a very negative experience with the Hare Krsna religion. My dad got involved in it, and the beliefs he brought back he forced on my family. The result was my mom and sibling and I forced into vegetarianism, my dad going from a cheerful and loving person who would respect my mom and us to guilt tripping us, yelling at us, using silence that would stretch on for days and sometimes weeks as a form of emotional punishment for whenever he didn't get his way. My mom was mocked for going to church and taking us with her, we were terrorized if we brought home meat, fish or eggs. I grew up in dread of going home as a kid, we were never hit but the emotional abuse, especially what my mom went through, to a large extent made my childhood very painful and difficult. We were afraid to have friends over, we never knew how my dad would behave, when he would fly off the handle and when things would be alright. Same was with my Mom and her friends. When my dad decided to leave this belief system, things got a bit better and are better now, although things at home sometimes are still rough, not that I live there anymore. The things that would go on affected me as a kid and also still do as an adult, and I have struggled with suicide and self-harm. That is not an excuse, but part of the reason. God is helping me work through these things.

I am not judging you and I do not know too much about your religion except from what I have read from Hare Krsna pamphlets that would be at our home. However I am very strongly biased against it because of what my family went through. I will probably not respond to most of your posts promoting your religion, because it brings back too many bad memories and I do not want to say something I will really later regret.

I want to tell you that Jesus Christ died on the cross for you, and that He is the only light of the world and hope for your salvation. He can offer you a life on earth and in eternity that no other belief system ever can. I will be praying for you, and wish you all the best.

 

[sanjaya1984]

TG, sorry to hear about your experience. It sounds remarkably similar to that of other families in which one person runs off and converts to another religion. I've always thought that people are best off when retaining their family's religion, even if that religion is Christianity. I've heard of situations in India in which something similar happens: missionaries will try and convert a Hindu housewife to Christianity by preaching to her while the husband is off at work. When she converts this causes discord in the family, and often divorce.

Anyway, this is actually the first I've heard of this universal feminine idea. I've never seen it referred to in any Scripture, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large group of Hindus who hold to it. After all, there is no central orthodoxy in our religion. I don't know how much this has to do with Hare Krishna though. To draw a rough analogy, Hare Krishna is to Hinduism what Mormonism is to Christianity.

 

[Gardenia]

I've always thought that people are best off when retaining their family's religion, even if that religion is Christianity.

Even this isn't fool proof (just like a family of mixed religions isn't necessarily a disaster). I've known families where both parents (and children) were Christian, but one was, or rather became, a bit more... erm, extreme about it. What he did to his family was much the same thing, only I guess replace the whole vegetarian thing with book/movie burnings and such. It tore their family apart.

 

[Redac]

To draw a rough analogy, Hare Krishna is to Hinduism what Mormonism is to Christianity.

So in what ways do Hare Krishna teaching differ from those of "regular" Hinduism (so to speak)?

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Welcome to Christian Forums. I have to say off the bat I have nothing against you personally and am sure you are a nice person. I have had a very negative experience with the Hare Krsna religion. My dad got involved in it, and the beliefs he brought back he forced on my family. The result was my mom and sibling and I forced into vegetarianism, my dad going from a cheerful and loving person who would respect my mom and us to guilt tripping us, yelling at us, using silence that would stretch on for days and sometimes weeks as a form of emotional punishment for whenever he didn't get his way. My mom was mocked for going to church and taking us with her, we were terrorized if we brought home meat, fish or eggs. I grew up in dread of going home as a kid, we were never hit but the emotional abuse, especially what my mom went through, to a large extent made my childhood very painful and difficult. We were afraid to have friends over, we never knew how my dad would behave, when he would fly off the handle and when things would be alright. Same was with my Mom and her friends. When my dad decided to leave this belief system, things got a bit better and are better now, although things at home sometimes are still rough, not that I live there anymore. The things that would go on affected me as a kid and also still do as an adult, and I have struggled with suicide and self-harm. That is not an excuse, but part of the reason. God is helping me work through these things.

I am not judging you and I do not know too much about your religion except from what I have read from Hare Krsna pamphlets that would be at our home. However I am very strongly biased against it because of what my family went through. I will probably not respond to most of your posts promoting your religion, because it brings back too many bad memories and I do not want to say something I will really later regret.

I want to tell you that Jesus Christ died on the cross for you, and that He is the only light of the world and hope for your salvation. He can offer you a life on earth and in eternity that no other belief system ever can. I will be praying for you, and wish you all the best.

It matters not what religion you follow but the how that teaching flows through the self and out to others. The stumbling block or inhibiting process of any faith is the ego itself, this strong sense of self that try's to control, force, manipulate and push others into a fixed agenda. Hinduism has many, many worthy points as does Christianity and to my mind only a reduction in ego enables the view to become clearer.

 

[SeventhValley]

TG, sorry to hear about your experience. It sounds remarkably similar to that of other families in which one person runs off and converts to another religion. I've always thought that people are best off when retaining their family's religion, even if that religion is Christianity. I've heard of situations in India in which something similar happens: missionaries will try and convert a Hindu housewife to Christianity by preaching to her while the husband is off at work. When she converts this causes discord in the family, and often divorce.
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What a Hindu thing to say lol. That works more for families that have a indigenous religion. Dose not work as well in a missionary religious group where belief trumps culture. Or in a culture where it is rare to have a extended family that belongs to the same religion.

My wife's friend was for the most part disowned by her Baptist father because she married a Catholic and that is between Christians.Family religion is dying out.

 

[sanjaya1984]

So in what ways do Hare Krishna teaching differ from those of "regular" Hinduism (so to speak)?

Well, what immediately comes to my mind is the emphasis on proselytism. I don't know of any traditional Hindus who preach our religion to others. Hare Krishnas also seem to believe in the supremacy of Sri Krishna to the exclusion of other Vedic Gods; most of us regard all of these Gods as representations of Brahman. I could probably identify other deviations from traditional Hinduism if I refresh my memory on this sect.

What a Hindu thing to say lol. That works more for families that have a indigenous religion. Dose not work as well in a missionary religious group where belief trumps culture. Or in a culture where it is rare to have a extended family that belongs to the same religion.

My wife's friend was for the most part disowned by her Baptist father because she married a Catholic and that is between Christians.Family religion is dying out.

Yes I suppose that's true. Family religion is pretty central in Indian culture (as I'm sure it is in Western cultures that still retain some connection to their European roots). That said, I know of analogous situations where this has happened in Indian families, for example when two people of different castes get married. But as you say, even here the issue isn't belief per se, as it would be in the case of the Baptist and the Catholic.

 

[SeventhValley]

Yes I suppose that's true. Family religion is pretty central in Indian culture (as I'm sure it is in Western cultures that still retain some connection to their European roots).

Interesting you brought that up. Where I grew up in the U.S. even though it was a rural area their were Polish,Italian,French,Irish,(all Catholic but different parishes in the neighborhood) and English churches(Episcopal, Methodist,UCC). Since the majority were Catholic most of my relatives eventually went Catholic due to influence to fit in with the majority. Of course everyone had multiple Catholic relatives since the English and French had 150 years to intermarry in the town before the Polish, Italian, and Irish arrived.

Anyways I belonged to the one Pentecostal church due to my parents rejection of the Catholic church which is kind of ironic since I am directly descended from Salem Puritans(they moved elsewhere before the witch hunts and were not involved)

So in a way they were following the long term tradition better than my relatives who intermarried and compromised for culture.

My wife is non religious but wants to go to a Episcopal church since she sees it as non threatening but would allow her to call herself Christian since all of her friends are some type of Church going Christian. Basically meld into the culture a bit.

She will not let me put up and Baha'i stuff in the house because she dose not want me to "weird out" her friends.

So societal culture even if not indigenous can still have a impact on family-religious culture.

 

[SeventhValley]

For Baha'is Baha'u'llah(our prophet) is a reincarnation of Krishna.

To Israel He was neither more nor less than the incarnation of the “Everlasting Father,” the “Lord of Hosts” come down “with ten thousands of saints”; to Christendom Christ returned “in the glory of the Father,” to Shí’ah Islám the return of the Imám Ḥusayn; to Sunní Islám the descent of the “Spirit of God” (Jesus Christ); to the Zoroastrians the promised Sháh-Bahrám; to the Hindus the reincarnation of Krishna; to the Buddhists the fifth Buddha.--God passes by

 

[SeventhValley]

Yes I suppose that's true. Family religion is pretty central in Indian culture (as I'm sure it is in Western cultures that still retain some connection to their European roots)..

All you have to do is look at TAW and OBOB boards here to see that

 

[Illuminaughty]

The Daodejing also teaches mankind to assume the receptive role of the female. This thread brought the following verse to my mind:


Know the male
yet keep to the female:
receive the world in your arms.
If you receive the world
the Dao will never leave you
and you will be like a little child.

Know the white,
yet keep to the black:
be a pattern for the world.
If you are a pattern for the world,
the Dao will be strong inside you
and there will be nothing you can't do

Know the personal,
yet keep to the impersonal:
accept the world as it is.
If you accept the world,
the Dao will be luminous inside you
and you will return to your primal self.

The world is formed from the void,
like utensils from a block of wood.
The master knows the utensils,
yet keeps to the block:
thus he can use all things.

Daodejing

 

[SeventhValley]

Also the community of Christ the "church" is female.

2 Corinthians 11:2 English Standard Version (ESV)

2 For I feel a divine jealousy for you,since I betrothed you to one husband,to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.

 

[TG123]

TG, sorry to hear about your experience. It sounds remarkably similar to that of other families in which one person runs off and converts to another religion. I've always thought that people are best off when retaining their family's religion, even if that religion is Christianity. I've heard of situations in India in which something similar happens: missionaries will try and convert a Hindu housewife to Christianity by preaching to her while the husband is off at work. When she converts this causes discord in the family, and often divorce.

Anyway, this is actually the first I've heard of this universal feminine idea. I've never seen it referred to in any Scripture, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large group of Hindus who hold to it. After all, there is no central orthodoxy in our religion. I don't know how much this has to do with Hare Krishna though. To draw a rough analogy, Hare Krishna is to Hinduism what Mormonism is to Christianity.

Thanks sanjay,

I don't think it is ethically wrong for people to convert to other religions. Of course if someone leaves Christianity that saddens me and makes me hope and pray for them to return since I believe it to be truth, but that is their choice. I lead a Bible study/social justice activist Christian group, and some of our members over the years have left the faith and have became atheists. We are still friends and I do not treat them any differently than I would anyone else, even if I strongly disagree with their choice and really hope and pray they come back to God.

I think though that a person who converts should show respect and love to those in his or her family who are living in that faith tradition. It is ok to live by your new religious beliefs and defend and even promote them in discussion, it is NOT ok to force them on your family or treat them badly because of what they believe. This is as true for people who become Christian as those who turn to other beliefs.

I have a friend who used to be Muslim but found Jesus and is now Christian, after her conversion she treated her parent (one passed away when she was very young) and siblings with respect and would speak up against other Christians in her community who bash Muslims. She would also fast with her siblings and her parent. She would often visit them. In spite of that, her family often spoke rudely of her, and her parent did not come to her wedding. She did not dish out verbal or emotional abuse on her family, although it was dished out on her.

I have read that in Hare Krsna societies, cult-like techniques like forcing a certain lifestyle on people and isolating them from their non Hare Krsna friends and family, and massive guilt tripping and unhealthily strict obedience to leadership have been used. I haven't ever experienced this but from what we through it sounds disturbingly familiar.

 

[TG123]

Even this isn't fool proof (just like a family of mixed religions isn't necessarily a disaster). I've known families where both parents (and children) were Christian, but one was, or rather became, a bit more... erm, extreme about it. What he did to his family was much the same thing, only I guess replace the whole vegetarian thing with book/movie burnings and such. It tore their family apart.

I am very sorry to hear that. He may have called himself a Christian but wasn't treating his family with love, and therefore was not following Jesus.

 

[Rusticus]

According to authentic Hinduism, we are all female and KRSNA is the Only Male.

Interesting.

Can you please explain what you mean by "AUTHENTIC" Hinduism, and how it differs from the (presumably) "non-authentic"?

Also, are there any Hindu scriptures supporting your claim, and if so, which ones are they?

Thank you.

 

[Rajni]

I have read that about Krishna as well.

Currently I see God in His gorgeous Krishnaic form, although I don't consider myself Hindu at all -- it's more that the Krishna form matches the substance of God I had come to believe in prior to knowing anything Krishna-related.

Actually, it's likely more a case that God is both male and female; I believe we are made in His image, both male and female, so although I refer to Him as "He", I wouldn't be at all surprised to find He's both.

There is some Krishna literature that talks about Him turning into a woman on occasion, as well.

Interesting stuff!

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[Rajni]

Welcome to Christian Forums. I have to say off the bat I have nothing against you personally and am sure you are a nice person. I have had a very negative experience with the Hare Krsna religion. My dad got involved in it, and the beliefs he brought back he forced on my family. The result was my mom and sibling and I forced into vegetarianism, my dad going from a cheerful and loving person who would respect my mom and us to guilt tripping us, yelling at us, using silence that would stretch on for days and sometimes weeks as a form of emotional punishment for whenever he didn't get his way. My mom was mocked for going to church and taking us with her, we were terrorized if we brought home meat, fish or eggs. I grew up in dread of going home as a kid, we were never hit but the emotional abuse, especially what my mom went through, to a large extent made my childhood very painful and difficult. We were afraid to have friends over, we never knew how my dad would behave, when he would fly off the handle and when things would be alright. Same was with my Mom and her friends. When my dad decided to leave this belief system, things got a bit better and are better now, although things at home sometimes are still rough, not that I live there anymore. The things that would go on affected me as a kid and also still do as an adult, and I have struggled with suicide and self-harm. That is not an excuse, but part of the reason. God is helping me work through these things.

I am not judging you and I do not know too much about your religion except from what I have read from Hare Krsna pamphlets that would be at our home. However I am very strongly biased against it because of what my family went through. I will probably not respond to most of your posts promoting your religion, because it brings back too many bad memories and I do not want to say something I will really later regret.

I'm so sorry you went through all that!

Yes, the ISKCON movement does seem to have a dark side; I personally would advise anyone to be careful if they choose to become involved with it.

While I love the Krishnaic form of God, I have steered clear of the dogmas and doctrines tacked onto Him by any religious organizations, favoring instead the stories handed down concerning Him, which complement (in some places) what I've learned via Christianity.





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[TG123]

I'm so sorry you went through all that!

Yes, the ISKCON movement does seem to have a dark side; I personally would advise anyone to be careful if they choose to become involved with it.

While I love the Krishnaic form of God, I have steered clear of the dogmas and doctrines tacked onto Him by any religious organizations, favoring instead the stories handed down concerning Him, which complement (in some places) what I've learned via Christianity.

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Thanks. If I knew anyone in ISKCON, the only advice I would be able to give them would be to get out. Before they destroy both their life and the lives of others. We went through over 20 years of hell. I would not wish it upon my worst enemy.