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Lesson of the Flood Story

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Though this thread does not have any explicit evolutionary content, I believe it is important because it will show what spiritual truth people take from the Biblical stories. Anybody can answer.

What was the lesson/moral that the flood story taught?

Genesis 6

The Ark Prepared

13 And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 15 And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark—you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them.”
22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did.

Genesis 7

The Great Flood

1 Then the LORD said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. 2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; 3 also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.” 5 And Noah did according to all that the LORD commanded him. 6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.
7 So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, 9 two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On the very same day Noah and Noah’s sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark— 14 they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. 16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the LORD shut him in.
17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit[a] of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 8

Noah’s Deliverance

1 Then God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters subsided. 2 The fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were also stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained. 3 And the waters receded continually from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters decreased. 4 Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat. 5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month. In the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen.
6 So it came to pass, at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made. 7 Then he sent out a raven, which kept going to and fro until the waters had dried up from the earth. 8 He also sent out from himself a dove, to see if the waters had receded from the face of the ground. 9 But the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, and she returned into the ark to him, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took her, and drew her into the ark to himself. 10 And he waited yet another seven days, and again he sent the dove out from the ark. 11 Then the dove came to him in the evening, and behold, a freshly plucked olive leaf was in her mouth; and Noah knew that the waters had receded from the earth. 12 So he waited yet another seven days and sent out the dove, which did not return again to him anymore.
13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dried.
15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons’ wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth.” 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him. 19 Every animal, every creeping thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth, according to their families, went out of the ark.


What spiritual truth do you take from this? Even if the story was not 100% literally true, what is the spiritual message behind it? I want to see if people who take the story literally miss the greater meaning behind it.
 

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What spiritual truth do you take from this? Even if the story was not 100% literally true, what is the spiritual message behind it? I want to see if people who take the story literally miss the greater meaning behind it.

A higher level literal understanding "includes" non-literal understanding. What ever you understand, I do too. Something I understand, you don't.
 
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What spiritual truth do you take from this?
One of the most beautiful passages in all of Scripture comes out of this:
Genesis 6:8 said:
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Amazing grace --- how sweet the sound!
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost, but now I am found.
Was blind, but now I see!
 
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One of the most beautiful passages in all of Scripture comes out of this:Amazing grace --- how sweet the sound!
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost, but now I am found.
Was blind, but now I see!
You mean it's not the passage about destroying all man and beast?
 
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What spiritual truth do you take from this? Even if the story was not 100% literally true, what is the spiritual message behind it? I want to see if people who take the story literally miss the greater meaning behind it.

After reading it for the first time and out of context from the rest of the bible I would say overcoming obstacles seems to be a major theme.

If life gets tough, or as god said it: "The end of all flesh has come before me" then you need to make plans on how to overcome the problem.

Gathering all the animals is a metaphor for: preparation for troubled times.
Gathering animals in pairs of 2: Even better preparation where success has the potential to grow!

And the final chapter where Noah gets off the ship is a metaphor for a new beginning where you've prevented troubling times to caught you off guard by dealing with the situation the best you could. Be it a pension, midlife crisis or the loss of a family member...
The quote: "in the first month, the first day of the month" seems to illustrate this new beginning or fresh start.

Moral of the story: Sh*t happens, deal with it. Either sink or swim.

- Ectezus
 
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While a lot of people want to focus on God's wrath and his killing all living things while sparing Noah, his family, and certain animals, the whole point of the story was Noah's faith in God. Despite certain ridicule from neighbors for however many years it took him to build it, Noah was faithful to God. It was Noah's faith that saved him.

Even if the story wasn't 100% true, even if it was a local flood rather than a worldwide flood, the spiritual truth remains. For some reason many Biblical literalists cannot grasp this concept and believe that the only way it could be true is if it was a truly global worldwide flood. They tend to ignore the spiritual truths in the Bible, just as the Pharisees ignored the spiritual truths in Jesus' parables. THE BIBLE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HISTORICALLY/SCIENTIFICALLY CORRECT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT WRITTEN FOR THAT PURPOSE. It can be factually errant but still be spiritually inerrant.
 
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As the late Dr Henry M Morris points out in his Defender's Study Bible, when God approached Job, He chided Job --- not for assuming God was punishing him for something he was doing wrong --- but for not understanding His Creation.

Study the questions, they all have to do with His Creation, and Job not having a proper understanding of it.

Not having a proper understanding of Genesis 1, will eventually lead to error somewhere.
 
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As the late Dr Henry M Morris points out in his Defender's Study Bible, when God approached Job, He chided Job --- not for assuming God was punishing him for something he was doing wrong --- but for not understanding His Creation.
Just as an aside.

I aways get a kick out of the respect that's sometimes given Morris because of the "Dr." before his name (not saying you do this, AV). While certainly well earned, a Ph.D. in hydraulic engineering is pretty meaningless in any religious context.
Just saying.



Carry on.
 
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I thought all of Job's calamities were because of a bet between god and satan.
 
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Interesting!

I didn't know that --- thanks for the 411.

I should quote my pastor --- he has a Th.D and M.Div. from two accredited southern colleges --- but his emphasis is on soul winning, whereas I place my emphases on Creation, the Flood, and Dispensation Theology.
 
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It's a shame you haven't demonstrated much understanding regarding the first two.
 
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It's a shame you haven't demonstrated much understanding regarding the first two.
If by that, you mean a scientific understanding --- and if by that --- you mean, it didn't happen --- then I reply with a resounding: THANK YOU! GUILTY AS CHARGED!
 
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If by that, you mean a scientific understanding --- and if by that --- you mean, it didn't happen --- then I reply with a resounding: THANK YOU! GUILTY AS CHARGED!
By that, I mean that you have no elementary understanding of basic facts regarding the fields of geology, paleontology, anthropology, biology, genetics, cosmology, and plate tectonics.

You base all of your "scientific understanding" primarily on an ancient manuscript written by nomadic shepherds thousands of years ago.

If you would take the time to actually read a book (say, "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson), you may actually learn a few things regarding the history and current, generally accepted paradigms of science.

I know that it's much easier to read a few chapters in Genesis and then act as if you are knowledgable in the areas of science, but all it does is reaffirm my belief that you are intentionally trolling of CF.
 
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That Yahweh was a vengeful psychopath who had no qualms about taking out thousands of innocent people just to kill a few bad ones.

I suppose that's a valuable lesson to learn if the priests' intention is to scare you into submission.


JESUS asked the rich young ruler, "Why do you call me good. Only GOD is good." I would say JESUS disagreed with your accessment.
 
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By that, I mean that you have no elementary understanding of basic facts regarding the fields of geology, paleontology, anthropology, biology, genetics, cosmology, and plate tectonics.
I've only been saying that for --- what --- almost three years now?
You base all of your "scientific understanding" primarily on an ancient manuscript written by nomadic shepherds thousands of years ago.
I do?
If you would take the time to actually read a book (say, "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson), you may actually learn a few things regarding the history and current, generally accepted paradigms of science.
Will these do, instead:

  • The History of Science, by John Gribbin
  • Instant Physics, by Tony Rothman
  • What Eintstein Told His Barber, by Robert L. Wolke
  • Five Equations That Changed The World, by Michael Guillen
  • Introduction to Space Technology, text book
  • Oceanography, text book
  • Chemistry for Dummies, by John T. Moore
  • The entire Time-Life Encyclopedia of Zoology --- all 19 volumes (20th was an index)
  • Essential Philosophy, by James Mannion
  • The Atlas of Past Times, by John Haywood
  • The 100 - A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, by Michael H. Hart
And just for fun --- throw in a visit to an observatory to observe the Horsehead Nebula.

Will those suffice?
I know that it's much easier to read a few chapters in Genesis and then act as if you are knowledgable in the areas of science, but all it does is reaffirm my belief that you are intentionally trolling of CF.
Well, since you're acting like you know everything I've ever said, I'll throw this in, in case you missed it:

  • Reading the Bible to acquire knowledge of science is like reading Bill Gates' diary to acquire knowledge on how to build a computer.
 
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I am even more saddened by the fact that you have taken the time to read solid resources, and yet the last quote you cited was from Henry Morris.
 
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I am even more saddened by the fact that you have taken the time to read solid resources, and yet the last quote you cited was from Henry Morris.
Cheer up --- Jesus saves!
 
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