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I have this book of daily prayers and it has a part on examining the conscience before going to confession, and they break down each of those ten commandments into like ten other ways to violate them. I don't examine my conscience a lot, I know what I am doing wrong because I feel guilty about pretty much everything that doesn't involve going to mass, reading the bible, or saying prayers... heck I feel guilty if I don't say the rosary every night at the same time. Like today I said it waiting for mass to start and now I feel like I did something wrong even though I know that this is not the case at all because I'm so used to saying it right before I go to bed.

So when the time for confession comes, I can always name multiple ways in which I have violated a commandment and I think that doing this helps keep me mindful of how easy it is to not be focused on putting God first in my life. Still it doesn't take me long, I can be in and out of confession usually in about five minutes.
Can I make one suggestion?
Just to get a handle on what is happening in your life, why not take a sheet of paper, and make a vertical row of numbers, 1 thru 10.
Then each night while you are doing your exam, put a check mark beside the appropriate number of the commandment that you broke.
If after a few weeks you start to see a pattern developing, then think back and see what events in your life might have triggered those thoughts or actions.
That should give you a head start on being aware of when/ why you find yourself vulnerable.
And knowing that is the first step in gaining victory over sin.
 
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Doing that can help you two ways:
It can show you your vulnerability, and it can remind you to don your spiritual armor every day, so that you are better prepared to win a victory!
 
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Welcome to the forum, and God bless you for your piety. I think it's great that you go to confession every week and pray the rosary daily. I try to go every week as well, and sadly I've fallen off with the daily rosary prayers but I can always get back on that horse.

I have to say though I disagree with your priest, I don't think he was right to criticize you for seeking frequent confession. Some of my catechists when I was converting shared how they would go to confession every day when they were visiting Rome. Even then, I know they aren't excessive or scrupulous people so I don't think they were abusing the sacrament even going that frequently.

I don't know what you're confessing, and it's none of my business, but it doesn't seem to be a scrupulosity issue which may be what he was suggesting. Rather it sounds like he's just trying to be progressive in his view of sin, which is exceedingly dangerous.

I don't think there would be anything wrong in seeking out another confessor, perhaps you can find one who takes the sacraments seriously. Because this priest's view of confession may extend to the other six sacraments as well. He may not take Holy Communion or Baptism or Confirmation seriously, and then what? Even if he's just being lazy and is trying to discourage his parishioners from overdoing it so he doesn't have to spend as much time in the confessional (or wherever he hears them) that's still not okay by any means.

He signed up for this.

Thank you from the warm welcome!

I think the priest suffers from the "I'll preach what I think is my own view of God" way of thinking, rather than sticking with Tradition and the Magisterium.

Now that you mention the other sacraments, I noticed that when he gives out communion he doesn't say "The body of Christ", he doesn't say anything, he just places the body of Christ on your hand, I do say "Amen" even if he doesn't say anything, the priest from the other parish always said to the laity "Please, when I say The Body of Christ you have to say Amen, not Thank you or anything else, but Amen".

That also makes me wonder, I've read that for a priest to consecrate the Host he has to be free of mortal sin, preferably he has to confess at the beginning of the day before celebrating mass, so if nothing is a sin to this priest the consecration might not be valid, or who knows, I have to read more on that.

Regarding pious tradition, I love the rosary and chaplets in general, novenas are my second favorite but I must confess that I don't like very much praying the litanies, I really have to struggle all the way through to the end. I don't mind long prayers, but litanies, there is just something about them that my body rejects.

One has to be careful with pious traditions, there are a LOT of devotions that are questionable or absolutely prohibited by the church and one doesn't know it, for example the "Precious Blood of Christ" from Nigeria, there is another Precious Blood devotion that it is aproved, but the one from the 1990s from Nigeria is prohibited by the Mexican Archdiocese. Another one is the "15 secret tortures of Jesus" which I believe is not prohibited but I've read several articles providing some very important reasons on why its false private revelation.

Same thing with Marian Apparitions, I try to stick with the ones which are strongly approved by the Vatican and try to avoid the ones that are only approved by the local Bishops or even those which haven't been proven and people swear by them (i.e. Medjugorje).

Also images, for example I constatly go to religious Catholic stores and I see figures of the "Archangel Jophiel" and stuff like that, so it is wise doing some research before dwelling into new things.
 
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That also makes me wonder, I've read that for a priest to consecrate the Host he has to be free of mortal sin, preferably he has to confess at the beginning of the day before celebrating mass, so if nothing is a sin to this priest the consecration might not be valid, or who knows, I have to read more on that.
I'm not sure where you read this but it's not accurate. The sacraments are valid regardless of whether the priest is in a state of grace. In the 4th century the Donatists taught if the priest was in a state of mortal sin the sacraments were not valid but that was condemned by the Church as heretical. Christ operates through the office of the priest and the personal holiness of the priest has no bearing on whether the sacraments are valid. The official term is "Ex opere operato" if you want to research it more.

The recipients however have to be in a state of grace in order to receive the benefits of the sacraments.
 
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I'm not sure where you read this but it's not accurate. The sacraments are valid regardless of whether the priest is in a state of grace. In the 4th century the Donatists taught if the priest was in a state of mortal sin the sacraments were not valid but that was condemned by the Church as heretical. Christ operates through the office of the priest and the personal holiness of the priest has no bearing on whether the sacraments are valid. The official term is "Ex opere operato" if you want to research it more.

The recipients however have to be in a state of grace in order to receive the benefits of the sacraments.
Thank you, I have not much authority on that issue, I have to research more. Thanks for the tip!
 
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I've had the opposite problem in the past. I either had priests who got all in my business (beyond what is necessary to have a good confession) or they harshly admonished me. I'm at a new church now and I'm going to try confession there in the hopes that it will just be "normal".
I hope you can find the right confessor soon.
 
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I've had the opposite problem in the past. I either had priests who got all in my business (beyond what is necessary to have a good confession) or they harshly admonished me. I'm at a new church now and I'm going to try confession there in the hopes that it will just be "normal".
I hope you can find the right confessor soon.
Today I confessed with another priest in a different church, everything seems ok, not lenient, not tyrannical. I confessed my sins, he gave me some feedback, absolution, penance, and I was out in less than 3-4 minutes. Lets see how it goes.

Today the church was packed, I guess more than 100 people, in the confessionary line there were 6 max. 8 people, lets round it up to 10, thats 10% of the total. I guess there are too many saints out there or people are no longer confessing....
 
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