Legalization of Marijuana

[sweetlambofgod]

cuz its a drug

 

[draper]

cuz its a drug

Advil is a drug.

 

[sweetlambofgod]

it's not an illegal drug!

 

[draper]

it's not an illegal drug!

Okay. This is a tricky argument that I will need to think about.

Alrighty...so...your basing that on the idea that everything illegal is by default bad.

So, let me ask you a few questions:

-Has the government's definition of right and wrong (and thus legal/illegal) always been right?

-Why is marijuana illegal?

-Should certain methods of having fun be illegal?

-Should all drugs that cause bodily harm be illegal?

-If I were deemed to be so sexy that looking at me could cause an addiction to masturbation (and this was medically proven) hat would be detrimental to the addicted person and their family, should looking at me be illegal?

 

[Chrono Traveler]

..

Hey I tried

but ppl refuse to answer my question. -.-;

 

[Svt4Him]

-Should all drugs that cause bodily harm be illegal?

Yup, unless it would be more harmful to not take them.

As a side note, coffee actually does help a body. I'll try and get the new medical journal.

 

[draper]

Yup, unless it would be more harmful to not take them.

OKay, so should all activities that cause harm that it wouldn't be more harmful to not participate in be illegal? A few examples off the top of my head:

-Rollercoasters
-Pepsi
-McDonalds
-Hockey

 

[selfintercession]

OKay, so should all activities that cause harm that it wouldn't be more harmful to not participate in be illegal? A few examples off the top of my head:

-Rollercoasters
-Pepsi
-McDonalds
-Hockey

-Rollercoasters aren't dangerous. They're scary... but you have less chance of getting hurt on one than if you took a ride on your car.
-Pepsi isn't dangerous. It's sugar and water... it may rot your teeth and give you diabates if you drink too much, but it won't kill brain cells. Exercise and teeth-brushing are enough to counter its effects, you can't counter the effects of pot.
-McDonalds isn't any more dangerous than food from anywhere else. Eat too much McDonald's, get fat. Eat too much at home, get fat. What's your point?
-Hockey isn't dangerous. Violence is. Most violence IS illegal... the only body contact you're supposed to have in a hockey game is supposed to be minimal and not enough to cause any serious injury.

 

[selfintercession]

...alcohol abuse leads to so many more problems(including death, simply from the drink itself. this has NEVER happened to anyone EVER with marijuana) than marijuana abuse(not to say you should use either like this)

Actually, yes it has happened to people who use marijuana. Many times. I've witnessed it first-hand with people who were very close to me. Contrary to what many pro-pot sites tell you, you can OD on pot if you take enough too quickly. Pot will also kill brain cells and can/does cause cancer in frequent users. These are all scientifically-proven facts that are 100% verifiable.

 

[draper]

-Rollercoasters aren't dangerous. They're scary... but you have less chance of getting hurt on one than if you took a ride on your car.

Less chance of getting hurt? There's still a damn good chance of getting hurt....way more people have died on coasters than from marijuana.

And if I had a nickel for every time someone I know pulled their back or rib or some other muscle on a rollercoaster...

-Pepsi isn't dangerous. It's sugar and water... it may rot your teeth and give you diabates if you drink too much, but it won't kill brain cells. Exercise and teeth-brushing are enough to counter its effects, you can't counter the effects of pot.

Try Coke (Coca-Cola, not cocaine ). Put a penny in a glass of Coke and check it a few days later....then tell me if it should be legal for someone to put that stuff in their stomach

--McDonalds isn't any more dangerous than food from anywhere else. Eat too much McDonald's, get fat. Eat too much at home, get fat. What's your point?

A Big Mac is less dangerous to your body than a home cooked chicken breast?

--Hockey isn't dangerous. Violence is. Most violence IS illegal... the only body contact you're supposed to have in a hockey game is supposed to be minimal and not enough to cause any serious injury.

So you've never seen a hockey player suffer an injury? No one plays hockey with the intention of getting hurt but it is ineviatable (sp?) that you will get seriuosly hurt at some point if you play long enough. No one smokes marijuana with the intention of getting hurt but [according to you] it is going to happen if you do it enough.

 

[feo]

Just skimmed through the pages here.
Might post more later...
Thought a few of the responses were kinda funny

lol... I think it's funny that draper used a "recreational drugs guide" rather than a medical journal or reliable news source to back up his claims

I think its funny that draper was the only one backing up his claims at that time

Same. I've seen more than one person ruin their life with pot.

Pot doesnt make people angry; it makes people happy. People screw up their lives outta unhappiness. On the contrar, I've *never* seen anyone screw up their life using pot... yet; with alcohal, I come from a family of drinkers.

I have friends who can drive cars safely; while smoking weed... yet you cant do that with booze.

Our Bodies are supposed to be Gods temple. We should treat them well and responsibly.

Even if legalized marijuana could lower crime, it's not treating your body well.

" If any one destroys [or abuses] God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and that temple you are." ~1 Corintians 3:17

And with marijuana being a "safe drug", the effects of using it can be terrible.

* memory and learning problems
* distorted perception (same as alcohol)
* difficulty thinking
* difficulty solving problems

We should try to treat our bodies as Gods Temples.
Thank gooness marijuana causes no long term affects

I can argue and say driving is also bad for your health.

As far as marijuana being a "safe drug", should we also outlaw alcohal, too?

The difference here is that there is less potential for harm against society at large.

What potential does does pot have to "harm society"? People who are "high" are much less harmful than those who are "drunk".

There are too many police officers being killed for trying to enforce anti-drug laws

Marijuana makes people want to kill cops?
You have the wrong drug

 

[christfollower1]

Marijuana is dangerous. It is proven that it leads to psychosis.

 

[feo]

Marijuana is dangerous. It is proven that it leads to psychosis.

Congrats on your first post
Welcome to the forums

 

[selfintercession]

Harming people who are responsible? Examples. Unless you're activiely seeking marijuana from these people I don't see the room for violence. Stoned people don't come wandering down the street with knives and guns, nor would they if it were legalized.

No, but people do become homeless because they can't pay for their addiction. This causes a huge financial burden for taxpayers. Why should I pay to house and feed people who have brought their situation on themselves by smoking more pot than they can pay for?

It would depend on why the speed limit was what it was, to make the analogy literal. If the speed limit on a major highway were for some reason 50, then doing 50 over it wouldn't be so bad...100 on a major highway is what it should be; legalized marijuana is what it should be. 100 over would be 150, that is in fact too much...much like legalized heroin would be too much.

You're missing the point. The point is that speedinf is dangerous regardless of the speed you're travelling at. If everybody else on that highwway is going 50, and you decided to go 100, you're probably goig to have an accident. The point is, speeding dangerous, regardless of the speed limit.

Society at large is at a lot more danger with illegal marijuana than legal. Don't fool yourself into thinking that by keeping it illegal it will be harder to access. If I wanted marijuana right now, which I don't, I could have some in two hours max, guaranteed...if I were at school instead of sitting in front of my computer half naked at 1 AM, that would be 20 mins max.

We're all very impressed that you have "connections" really! Good doggie, have a treat.

As long as we keep marijuana illegal, the government will still be able to try to counter the growth and importation of it. If we legalize it, then it will be even more widely available and the government will never be able to try and slow/stop the production of it again. It's not a question of how easy it is for people to get now, it's a question of what we can do to stop it from being available in the future.

Imagine if regular cigarettes were illegal for everyone, not just minors. It would make it a lot easier for the government to step in and try to reduce smoking rates. Already, youth smoking rates are declining across the country due to anti-smoking laws that are being put in to effect and directed at minors.

Yes, I do. And who are those people? Adults....not the teenagers who really need it.

Then guess who's fault that is? Their's. If we legalize marijuana, how will that help this particular situation? It will only make it worse.

I would think that everyone would agree that I understand way more about Canadian law and how our country works than most people my age and I didn't even know that a medical worker couldn't call the cops on someone who admitted to smoking pot. If I didn't know that, do you really think that in the society we have created another teenager would know that? They would be feel villanized and afraid to take the problem to adults for fear of legal reprecussions.

Teenagers have done far worse things than smoke pot. If they're not afraid of beating other kids to a pulp, robbing stores, knifing people on city streets and joining gangs, then why would they be afraid to go to a hospital to get help with an addiction? If that's really the case, then what we need to do is have better education that teaches kids that they can go and get help without having to worry about being arrested; the silly thing to do would be to legalize marijuana.

There's a lot of sources and research for both sides of that argument.

I and many others speak to that as truth from personal experience. Enough said. If it's true for even just 5% of the people who smoke pot (and it's probably much higher than that), then it's worth it to keep it illegal. Both from a financial and moral point of view.

 

[selfintercession]

I agree... but the same can be said for booze, cigarettes, Mars Bars (and all junk food including easter eggs ), McDonald's (and all fast foods), any fruit/vegetables with pesticides on them, any meat that have been grown with hormones, coffee, pop, etc....

so, while I agree that our bodies are sacred, is there a line that we draw... also, is there a theologically based positive duty to exercise every day?

I'm just throwing this out there for discussion's sake

There are many Christians who refuse to drink, smoke, eat junk food, eat any meat that's not 100% natural, drink coffee or pop etc.

As for the pesticides on fruit, most people tend to wash them off or buy naturally-grown produce.

Why make it easier for people to abuse their bodies? What's the point? To have fun? Let's completely legalize porn to... for minors or anyone to see wherever they are... hey, does it really cause any REAL harm? (I hope you got the sarcasm).

 

[selfintercession]

What potential does does pot have to "harm society"? People who are "high" are much less harmful than those who are "drunk".

I answered that in some of my other posts after this one

Marijuana makes people want to kill cops?
You have the wrong drug

I guess you didn't hear about the 4 mounties who were shot earlier this month busting a pot-growth operation.

 

[selfintercession]

I am not a marijuana user but I support the legalization for the simple fact that there is so much violence involving police officers. There are too many police officers being killed for trying to enforce anti-drug laws. There is also a lot of violence among drug users, drug dealers, etc.
I do not use any illegal drugs, I do not plan to, I do not even smoke cigarettes, but I think legalizing marijuana could be a smooth transition. The Netherlands is so advanced and ahead of us on many issues, they always have been a leader in this world.

There are loads of cops killed in many places trying to enforce anti-theft and anti-murder laws. Should murder and bank robbery be legalized to?

 

[feo]

There are many Christians who refuse to drink, smoke, eat junk food, eat any meat that's not 100% natural, drink coffee or pop etc.

Really? I know many Christians who do their best at drinking soda, eating candy, smoking... in moderation. Myself included (although I limited myself to the hookah) I've never met anyone here who completely gave up *all* bad things...

Although the things you list; when done in moderation- I think its okay to do. Go ahead, drink a soda... just don't over do it. Ya wanna eat some McDonalds? Good! Just don't make a habit of it. Just as long as those "destructive" habits dont infringe on the rights of others- I don't see the big deal of it.

Stretching that thought to marijuana; is not a long stretch in my opinion. You wanna smoke pot? *shrugs* go right ahead.

Why make it easier for people to abuse their bodies? What's the point? To have fun? Let's completely legalize porn to... for minors or anyone to see wherever they are... hey, does it really cause any REAL harm? (I hope you got the sarcasm).

I don't really think anyones wanting to legalize pot to minors Silly argument

 

[feo]

I answered that in some of my other posts after this one

My bad, like I said- I quickly glanced through all the posts without much care. What are the post #'s?

I guess you didn't hear about the 4 mounties who were shot earlier this month busting a pot-growth operation.

Anyone willing to shoot someone was not a result of them smoking pot. Anger is not a side affect of the drug.

 

[selfintercession]

Really? I know many Christians who do their best at drinking soda, eating candy, smoking... in moderation. Myself included (although I limited myself to the hookah) I've never met anyone here who completely gave up *all* bad things...

Yes, really. There are also many taoists who are only in it for the feng shui... every religion has a spectrum: undevout...less devout...devout...hugely devout. The people who try to give up all things that are bad for their bodies are people who take their religion extremely seriously and who do a much better job of following the Word of God than you or me.

Although the things you list; when done in moderation- I think its okay to do. Go ahead, drink a soda... just don't over do it. Ya wanna eat some McDonalds? Good! Just don't make a habit of it. Just as long as those "destructive" habits dont infringe on the rights of others- I don't see the big deal of it.

Stretching that thought to marijuana; is not a long stretch in my opinion. You wanna smoke pot? *shrugs* go right ahead.

That's a fine opinion. But I was answering the person who said that under the whole "your body is a temple" thing, these should also be considered wrong. And yes, they should be. But just because some thigns that are bad for you are legal doesn't mean that we should extend the status of legality to other harmful things.

I don't really think anyones wanting to legalize pot to minors Silly argument

I never said they did... you missed the point I was making: Just because some things that are bad for you are legal doesn't mean everything that's bad for you should be legal. If we legalize pot, how long do you think it will be before it's legal for minors? Drpaer seems to think it should be legalized for minors... he's a minor and he's been saying he thinks his smoking pot should be legal.

I would'nt go calling other people's arguments silly either... first of all, I just think it's rude since I haven't said that to you, and secondly, there are many people who probably think the same thing about your arguments.