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Remember if BY said that today you would have some need to worry. Remember he said this in the 1800's when it was thought that the sun and the moon were inhabited. Big difference. You would have applauded him in the 1800's, but not now. Big difference.
We were talking about mistakes of the prophets, not about Jesus' predictions.What? If It doesn't matter that Jesus predicted what he was going to do, then why did Jesus do that?
I said that because of Phoebe Ann's total reliability on the bible, I felt that she would have problems in the time of Christ to convert to Christianity, knowing that the name of Jesus was not in her bible, and he was teaching to love your enemy and teaching that gentiles would be let into his gospel, teaching that he was the Son of God and was divine, meaning that he was a god too, and his radical preaching and his uneducated disciple rabble, etc., etc,. etc, all contrary to what her bible said.
I was not talking about everyone in Israel at the time of Christ, I was talking about Phoebe Ann.
Then, again, Phoebe Ann may very well have looked past all of that and joined, but I don't know.
Her bible had very little of what Jesus was preaching, she may have not been able to get over it.
BY did not claim to have God's ear on this matter, that is why it is his opinion.Doesn't matter how grand, well known, or knowledgeable any scientist is---they do not claim to have God's ear and His truth. Enormous difference.
Sure, what she says and what you say about what a prophet has to do on the pulpit is just an absurd position. You just have it in for JS and BY, so anything they do is not going to satisfy you. So this is just another one of those situations, and I am sure there are a lot more.What she said. ^^^
BY did not claim to have God's ear on this matter, that is why it is his opinion.
Again, every word a prophet says does not come directly from the Lord, even on the pulpit.
Your position is absurd that BY or any prophet can not say something from the pulpit that is not direct revelation from Jesus.
Yet you fail to see the mistakes of other prophets like Peter and Isaiah.Again, when a man stands in front of the congregation, he stands on the pulpit as the voice of God. He is in authority, he is teaching. He us telling the congregation what they should be thinking and doing. Otherwise--they can keep silent or just talk amongst themselves. The pulpit is the sign of authority. He did not say this is my opinion. He was definite about this and was teaching it. He was the voice of your church. A prophet is a prophet---he does not stop being a prophet. It is not a 9-5 job. The President of a country does not stop being the President ---that is what he is. As long as he holds that office. A prophet is for life. Pastors have to always be on guard for they repr4sent their church, they teach the word of God.
Yet you fail to see the mistakes of other prophets like Peter and Isaiah.
Tell me all about what you know about what a prophet does 24/7. Since you have never lived in the shadow of a prophet, I am sure what you say will not mean a whole lot. But thanks for telling us what one does. Oh, I think I will forward this information to Russell Nelson so he is sure to do as you say.Again, when a man stands in front of the congregation, he stands on the pulpit as the voice of God. He is in authority, he is teaching. He us telling the congregation what they should be thinking and doing. Otherwise--they can keep silent or just talk amongst themselves. The pulpit is the sign of authority. He did not say this is my opinion. He was definite about this and was teaching it. He was the voice of your church. A prophet is a prophet---he does not stop being a prophet. It is not a 9-5 job. The President of a country does not stop being the President ---that is what he is. As long as he holds that office. A prophet is for life. Pastors have to always be on guard for they repr4sent their church, they teach the word of God.
We know that Peter denied Jesus three times. Isaiah prophesied by telling a man to set his things in order because he would die and not live, but he lived another fifteen years.Point them out.
Oh, yes, I forgot, you have it in for BY, no applause even when he does things that would indicate he was a sheep.
We know that Peter denied Jesus three times. Isaiah prophesied by telling a man to set his things in order because he would die and not live, but he lived another fifteen years.
Then neither do the mistakes of other prophets qualify.Peter was not a prophet at this time, and he was not prophesying a thing. Isiah did not give a false prophecy, Hezekiah would have died in 3 days, it is what God said--- He begged God to let him live and God listened to his request and granted him an extra 15 years. Neither of these qualify.
Then neither do the mistakes of other prophets qualify.
Then neither do the mistakes of other prophets qualify.
And Moses and Isaiah are not in the context of a system in which people are asked to believe that these men have direct contact with God who is thereby directly guiding what was supposed to be God's church in those days (you know, people going to synagogues and the temple and such)?Moses was a prophet. I'm pretty sure it was still a big mistake for him to strike against the rock, since it was by his lack of trust in God as shown by this action that he was denied entry into the promised land. The two are not mutually exclusive, just like there was nothing in Isaiah the prophet's message to King Hezekiah that said "And there's nothing you can do about this; don't bother praying to God, because it's a done deal no matter what you do." (Just as God likewise heard the prayers of the Ninevites who were warned by Jonah, etc.)
The difference is that the mistakes of the LDS 'prophets' come in the context of a system in which people are asked to believe that these men have direct contact with God who is thereby directly guiding what is supposed to be His 'restored church'! In the days of the OT prophets, there was no 'church' to restore (the Church not being founded until the coming of Christ). So the context is completely different, and altogether much worse for Mormonism's claims to being the one true church upon the face of the earth.
Both Moses and Paul were prophets of God and many have argued about their past. Moses killed a man and Paul helped those who were against Christ's followers. They were still called of God as prophets. Except for Jesus Christ, all God has to work with are imperfect people. However He has given us the commandments of LOVE and expects us to keep them. Those who do not keep the commandments are sinners.:Moses was a prophet. I'm pretty sure it was still a big mistake for him to strike against the rock, since it was by his lack of trust in God as shown by this action that he was denied entry into the promised land. The two are not mutually exclusive, just like there was nothing in Isaiah the prophet's message to King Hezekiah that said "And there's nothing you can do about this; don't bother praying to God, because it's a done deal no matter what you do." (Just as God likewise heard the prayers of the Ninevites who were warned by Jonah, etc.)
The difference is that the mistakes of the LDS 'prophets' come in the context of a system in which people are asked to believe that these men have direct contact with God who is thereby directly guiding what is supposed to be His 'restored church'! In the days of the OT prophets, there was no 'church' to restore (the Church not being founded until the coming of Christ). So the context is completely different, and altogether much worse for Mormonism's claims to being the one true church upon the face of the earth.
And Moses and Isaiah are not in the context of a system in which people are asked to believe that these men have direct contact with God who is thereby directly guiding what was supposed to be God's church in those days (you know, people going to synagogues and the temple and such)?
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