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[fatboys]

I found this part of your post about Christians being 'left behind' and wondered what this is about.

As believers in Christ, our roots are solidly in Jesus CHrist being the Son of God and salvation through Him in His blood. So how could a Christian be left behind?

In receiving more truth and knowledge

 

[ToBeLoved]

In receiving more truth and knowledge

That is the gospel my friend.

That is the beginning and the end.

There is nothing that we need besides that. It's a shame some get unfocused on what the prize. Is. Unrealiziingly, you damage the sovereignty of Christ by comparing Him as a spirit brother of Satan.

 

[fatboys]

That is the gospel my friend.

That is the beginning and the end.

There is nothing that we need besides that. It's a shame some get unfocused on what the prize. Is. Unrealiziingly, you damage the sovereignty of Christ by comparing Him as a spirit brother of Satan.

What makes you so convinced your right.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What makes you so convinced your right.

Because I know what the gospel is and who God is.

If you do not have a firm foundation in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I would figure it out. It's only the most important decision of your life.

Why would you even ask such a question.

 

[fatboys]

Because I know what the gospel is and who God is.

If you do not have a firm foundation in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I would figure it out. It's only the most important decision of your life.

Why would you even ask such a question.

Because I know what the gospel is and who God is.

If you do not have a firm foundation in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I would figure it out. It's only the most important decision of your life.

Why would you even ask such a question.

That doesn't gem me anything. I could ask a muslim the say question and they would answer the same way. Tell me how

 

[ToBeLoved]

That doesn't gem me anything. I could ask a muslim the say question and they would answer the same way. Tell me how

Answering a question with a question.

You really should know the gospel. Go here http://www.gotquestions.org/Gospel-presentations.html

 

[fatboys]

Answering a question with a question.

You really should know the gospel. Go here http://www.gotquestions.org/Gospel-presentations.html

No I want to know how you personally know that what you believe is true. I know the restored gospel and I can tell you exactly how I know. I want to know how you know

 

[ToBeLoved]

No I want to know how you personally know that what you believe is true. I know the restored gospel and I can tell you exactly how I know. I want to know how you know

I've explained that on the

Does the BOM explain salvation better than the Bible thread. You can go read it there. It''s very detailed.

 

[random person]

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

By now, you must know that I know the Bible is true, I know that because of by study and prayer, and a witness from the Holy Spirit.

I also have a witness from a prophet of God, who saw people from the Bible, face to face, and that also confirms what I know to be true.

You seem to have such a problem with the word "prophet". You must only read in the bible about "false prophets".

Do you not realize that from the beginning of the world, God has chosen men to communicate his Word to the people. God has always chosen "prophets" to disseminate the Word of God. The "prophet" hears the Word of God and writes it down and disseminates it to the public. Since the world began this is God's way to get His Word to the people.

So you are OK with the idea that since about 100 AD, which is 1900 years ago, God has been completely silent from the heavens. No living "prophet" has been among His people for 1900 years.

Now, I know you are going to say, well we have the bible, we don't need any more "prophets". And I say to you that is exactly what the Jews said, we have the Torah, we don't need any more "prophets". What happened to them?

We need "prophets" today as much as we needed them thoughout the history of the world, even though we have the wonderful Word of God in the bible. It was written up to 3400 years ago, and yes we can apply lots of today's problems to its words, but that has never been what God has done. He has always had the writings of past "prophets" + the Words of God to a current prophet and between them we get a much better view of what God wants us to do in our day.

So be aware of "false prophets", but don't throw the "true prophets" out the door, we need them, just like the world has needed them thoughout it's history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prophecies_of_Joseph_Smith

deuteronomy 18:22
jeremiah 28:9

care to share some prophecies spoken by your prophets?

or did mormon prophecies cease with joseph smith?

 

[Ironhold]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prophecies_of_Joseph_Smith

deuteronomy 18:22
jeremiah 28:9

care to share some prophecies spoken by your prophets?

or did mormon prophecies cease with joseph smith?

They haven't ceased; the outside world has simply stopped caring.

 

[random person]

They haven't ceased; the outside world has simply stopped caring.

riiiiiiggghhhht....

you being the one true church and all... you dont want to share them with us apostates and ahem outsiders so we could measure them by the scrutiny of deuteronomy 18:22 which is an instruction to all christians...

 

[Ironhold]

riiiiiiggghhhht....

Then mind explaining why so few non-members even know that LDS.org exists despite significant effort on the part of the church to advertise it?

Pretty much everything you're looking for can be found there.

 

[withwonderingawe]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prophecies_of_Joseph_Smith

deuteronomy 18:22
jeremiah 28:9

care to share some prophecies spoken by your prophets?

or did mormon prophecies cease with joseph smith?

I believe we talked about this some time ago but the thread was locked when they change the rules so that only "Christians" could start a post here. I suggest you start another thread about this subject so we can have another discussion.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Then mind explaining why so few non-members even know that LDS.org exists despite significant effort on the part of the church to advertise it?

Pretty much everything you're looking for can be found there.

Strawman.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Then mind explaining why so few non-members even know that LDS.org exists despite significant effort on the part of the church to advertise it?

Pretty much everything you're looking for can be found there.

Their advertising must not be very effective. Effort is different from effectiveness. One measures the effort put forth by the initiator, the other measures the effectiveness of that effort.

 

[fatboys]

Their advertising must not be very effective. Effort is different from effectiveness. One measures the effort put forth by the initiator, the other measures the effectiveness of that effort.

Lol

 

[Peter1000]

I found this part of your post about Christians being 'left behind' and wondered what this is about.

As believers in Christ, our roots are solidly in Jesus CHrist being the Son of God and salvation through Him in His blood. So how could a Christian be left behind?

Millions of new age Christians and regular Christians, especially in the Catholic faith, believe that Jesus was just an influential speaker. They say it was after his death, his followers lifted him up to godhood and glorified him as the son of God. It is a growing, anti-Jesus movement.

The Mormon church, I believe is countering this movement with an impressive increase in church population that have both the Bible and the BOM to solidify their faith in Jesus the Christ.

You see the Bible was written by people in the Jerusalem area. The BOM was written by people in the Central American area. Thousands of miles apart with no possible communication between them because of an ocean, but they both testify about Jesus Christ. Jesus, born of a virgin, teaches the gospel, heals the sick, raises the dead, is crusified for our sins and is our Savior, is raised from the dead and today sits on the right side of his God in heaven, waiting to come a second time to the earth to rule and reign.

How can this be? 2 books, written at the same time, thousands of miles apart, same testimony of Jesus.

The conclusion is that Jesus must really be what these books say he is. There are many more penetrating, confusing words that will try to steal people away from Jesus as satan gives an all-out assault, knowing that his days are just about numbered. But people that have both the Bible and the BOM have an advantage. When Jesus comes under attack, we know more suredly that he is the Christ, because of the credible, additional information, that Jesus really is the Christ, and we remain true to him.

We all know there are words written by godless critics about the bible, just like we get from critics of the BOM. So I know how you feel, when the bible is strongly criticized. But if you believed in the BOM it would give you one more layer of sureness that protects you from losing your faith. You may not be in danger, but hundreds of thousands are losing their faith. So I say don't be left behind. Take on as much protection as you can to combat satan. We do have an advantage.

 

[withwonderingawe]

I found this article or book review which I thought was interesting,

Are Mormons More Christian Than We Think?
Stephen Webb asks whether Latter-day theology sheds new light on familiar beliefs.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/may-web-only/are-mormons-more-christian-than-we-think.html

"....Mormon metaphysics is challenging in that it flies in the face of traditional Christian teaching, which rejects the notion that God is embodied. According to historic Christianity, God is pure immaterial spirit by nature. Mormon metaphysics appeals to Webb in many ways. In his estimation, it helps Christians address modern atheism's belief that matter is all there is and presents Christian faith claims more cogently than key tenets of classical theism...."

The book is by a Catholic man it's being reviewed by a Paul Louis Metzger at Christianity Today.

I haven't read all the way through it as yet, hit my head on the tailgate of my Durango and have a headache, I'll get to it when I'm feeling better.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Millions of new age Christians and regular Christians, especially in the Catholic faith, believe that Jesus was just an influential speaker. They say it was after his death, his followers lifted him up to godhood and glorified him as the son of God. It is a growing, anti-Jesus movement.

The Mormon church, I believe is countering this movement with an impressive increase in church population that have both the Bible and the BOM to solidify their faith in Jesus the Christ.

You see the Bible was written by people in the Jerusalem area. The BOM was written by people in the Central American area. Thousands of miles apart with no possible communication between them because of an ocean, but they both testify about Jesus Christ. Jesus, born of a virgin, teaches the gospel, heals the sick, raises the dead, is crusified for our sins and is our Savior, is raised from the dead and today sits on the right side of his God in heaven, waiting to come a second time to the earth to rule and reign.

How can this be? 2 books, written at the same time, thousands of miles apart, same testimony of Jesus.

The conclusion is that Jesus must really be what these books say he is. There are many more penetrating, confusing words that will try to steal people away from Jesus as satan gives an all-out assault, knowing that his days are just about numbered. But people that have both the Bible and the BOM have an advantage. When Jesus comes under attack, we know more suredly that he is the Christ, because of the credible, additional information, that Jesus really is the Christ, and we remain true to him.

We all know there are words written by godless critics about the bible, just like we get from critics of the BOM. So I know how you feel, when the bible is strongly criticized. But if you believed in the BOM it would give you one more layer of sureness that protects you from losing your faith. You may not be in danger, but hundreds of thousands are losing their faith. So I say don't be left behind. Take on as much protection as you can to combat satan. We do have an advantage.

Actually.

Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam.

And the Old Testament is integral in Judaism.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Millions of new age Christians and regular Christians, especially in the Catholic faith, believe that Jesus was just an influential speaker. They say it was after his death, his followers lifted him up to godhood and glorified him as the son of God. It is a growing, anti-Jesus movement.

The Mormon church, I believe is countering this movement with an impressive increase in church population that have both the Bible and the BOM to solidify their faith in Jesus the Christ.

I really have no idea where you get your information from.

It is very inaccurate.