LDS teachings on God

[Ran77]

Then you would be incorrect.

Then trot 'em on out. Where are these verses that state God was never a man?


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[TheBarrd]

Then trot 'em on out. Where are these verses that state God was never a man?


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You just quoted them, yourself!
Why are you not seeing these verses?????
Are you ignoring them on purpose???????

The only "disconnect" is the faulty connection the lds attempt to make with their other standard works.

Exodus 20:3
“You shall have no other gods before me. "

The god that you profess to worship was once an exalted man, and is not the God of the Bible. You have to turn to lds other works that make him what you think he is.

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

1Samuel 15:29
He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind

Hosea 11:9b
For I am God, and not a man-- the Holy One among you.
-BigDaddy4

 

[TheBarrd]

Let me repeat those last three verses one more time, to make sure you see them, Ran:

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

1Samuel 15:29
He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind

Hosea 11:9b
For I am God, and not a man-- the Holy One among you.


What does God have to do...walk up and down outside of your temple, carrying a picket sign? Maybe He should write it in the sky for you...

Hey, you guys, I am NOT A MAN!!!!​

God has very plainly told us in His Word that He is not a man.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out....God is not a man.

Now what?


Edit:
Credit goes to BigDaddy for originally posting these important verses.
Thank you, BigDaddy!!

 

[Ironhold]

Let me repeat those last three verses one more time, to make sure you see them, Ran:

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

1Samuel 15:29
He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind

You're reading way too much into those portions you bolded.

They're saying "God does not have the follies you do."

 

[Ran77]

You're reading way too much into those portions you bolded.

They're saying "God does not have the follies you do."

It's amazing what you can learn when you read in context.

 

[Rescued One]

It's amazing that people think the context is going to change the meaning of what is so CLEAR.

 

[TheBarrd]

You're reading way too much into those portions you bolded.

They're saying "God does not have the follies you do."

I'm reading exactly what they say...."God is not a man".

It is you who is adding to the plain meaning of scripture. It says nothing about my follies, or yours, for that matter.
It simply and quite plainly says "God is not a man."

 

[TheBarrd]

Let us, then, look at these verses "in context" so that we, and Ran, can see what God is telling us:

Num 23:7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.
Num 23:8 How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the LORD hath not defied?
Num 23:9 For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.
Num 23:10 Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his!
Num 23:11 And Balak said unto Balaam, What hast thou done unto me? I took thee to curse mine enemies, and, behold, thou hast blessed them altogether.
Num 23:12 And he answered and said, Must I not take heed to speak that which the LORD hath put in my mouth?
Num 23:13 And Balak said unto him, Come, I pray thee, with me unto another place, from whence thou mayest see them: thou shalt see but the utmost part of them, and shalt not see them all: and curse me them from thence.
Num 23:14 And he brought him into the field of Zophim, to the top of Pisgah, and built seven altars, and offered a bullock and a ram on every altar.
Num 23:15 And he said unto Balak, Stand here by thy burnt offering, while I meet the LORD yonder.
Num 23:16 And the LORD met Balaam, and put a word in his mouth, and said, Go again unto Balak, and say thus.
Num 23:17 And when he came to him, behold, he stood by his burnt offering, and the princes of Moab with him. And Balak said unto him, What hath the LORD spoken?
Num 23:18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Num 23:20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

Here we see that Balak had hired Balaam to curse Jacob (Israel) for him...but the Lord commanded him (through the mouth of his donkey, no less) not to do it.
And Balaam informs Balak:
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent

There is nothing in the context here that contradicts this statement....

God is not a man is what it says, and evidently, that is what it means.

 

[TheBarrd]

And again:

1Sa 15:24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
1Sa 15:25 Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.
1Sa 15:26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
1Sa 15:27 And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.
1Sa 15:28 And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.
1Sa 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Here we see that Saul had disobeyed God and kept a part of the spoils of battle. Samuel was letting him know that God was not pleased, and that he had lost the privilege of being Israel's king.
The story has a rather bloody ending:

1Sa 15:32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
1Sa 15:33 And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.


The point of the story, of course, is that God, Who is not a man, had given His commandment, and Saul had not obeyed Him.

1Sa 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

 

[TheBarrd]

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Hos 11:2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.
Hos 11:3 I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.
Hos 11:4 I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them.
Hos 11:5 He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to return.
Hos 11:6 And the sword shall abide on his cities, and shall consume his branches, and devour them, because of their own counsels.
Hos 11:7 And my people are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him.
Hos 11:8 How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.
Hos 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Hos 11:10 They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west.
Hos 11:11 They shall tremble as a bird out of Egypt, and as a dove out of the land of Assyria: and I will place them in their houses, saith the LORD.
Hos 11:12 Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.

I think I like this one best of all.
God is not a man, to react with vengeance...."getting even" is a human thing, it is not God's. Here, more than anywhere else, God is showing us what sets Him apart from mankind.
His ways are not our ways, nor His thoughts our thoughts..

Hos 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

 

[TheBarrd]

So, I think these verses are pretty plain. There is no "hidden meaning". When we look at them "in context" we see that they mean exactly what they say.

God is not a man.



God was not, is not, and never will be a man. It really is that simple..

 

[TheBarrd]

So, I think these verses are pretty plain. There is no "hidden meaning". When we look at them "in context" we see that they mean exactly what they say.

God is not a man.



God was not, is not, and never will be a man. It really is just that simple..

 

[Ran77]

God was not, is not, and never will be a man. It really is just that simple..

So Jesus is not God?


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[Ran77]

Anyone else notice the ridiculously large font usage? It makes me think of an online version of a temper tantrum.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Anyone else enjoying the ridiculously large font usage? I sure am. It makes me think of an online version of a temper tantrum.

I'm not sure what she thinks she is disproving:
Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.
Note: it does not say God is a mortal man. God has a spiritual body. His spirit is not limited to His body. I imagine His body does not decay nor age, but is full of spirit, and my guess is governed by His spirit - unlike "man."

So Jesus is no longer a mortal man, but He has a body still which is as tangible as man's...and is "God." Same with the Father. But man was only created in their image, and is in no way perfected.
Actually the Hebrews had about 4 different words for man....relating to different viewpoints concerning "man." Ish referred to the individual man or male. Enosh referred to man's mortality or fallen state. Adam seems to refer to created man or the flesh. Hence, Jesus is called the last Adam by Paul, as He overcomes the fall of the flesh. He returns Adam to the spirit instead of the natural man. So the Hebrew does not look at "man" the same way English does.

 

[Ran77]

Note: it does not say God is a mortal man. God has a spiritual body. His spirit is not limited to His body. I imagine His body does not decay nor age, but is full of spirit, and my guess is governed by His spirit - unlike "man."

So Jesus is no longer a mortal man, but He has a body still which is as tangible as man's...and is "God." Same with the Father. But man was only created in their image, and is in no way perfected.
Actually the Hebrews had about 4 different words for man....relating to different viewpoints concerning "man." Ish referred to the individual man or male. Enosh referred to man's mortality or fallen state. Adam seems to refer to created man or the flesh. Hence, Jesus is called the last Adam by Paul, as He overcomes the fall of the flesh. He returns Adam to the spirit instead of the natural man. So the Hebrew does not look at "man" the same way English does.

I think you're on to something. And I had been wondering what word was used for "man" in these verses and what meaning is being used. I think it could be like you pointed out, man might reference mortality or even limited experience and knowledge. Thanks for posting that information.

 

[TheBarrd]

So Jesus is not God?


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You do know, I hope, that Jesus Christ existed long before His advent here on earth.
An angel came to a virgin named Mary and told her that she would have a child...now, you know that a virgin doesn't have a child unless there has been some sort of outside interference...in these modern times, she might, perhaps, be carrying a "test tube baby", but the technology for that did not exist in those days.
Anyway Jesus, The Son of God, did not have or need a human body before that point.

 

[TheBarrd]

I'm not sure what she thinks she is disproving:
Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.
Note: it does not say God is a mortal man. God has a spiritual body. His spirit is not limited to His body. I imagine His body does not decay nor age, but is full of spirit, and my guess is governed by His spirit - unlike "man."

So Jesus is no longer a mortal man, but He has a body still which is as tangible as man's...and is "God." Same with the Father. But man was only created in their image, and is in no way perfected.
Actually the Hebrews had about 4 different words for man....relating to different viewpoints concerning "man." Ish referred to the individual man or male. Enosh referred to man's mortality or fallen state. Adam seems to refer to created man or the flesh. Hence, Jesus is called the last Adam by Paul, as He overcomes the fall of the flesh. He returns Adam to the spirit instead of the natural man. So the Hebrew does not look at "man" the same way English does.

If you can prove that without going to any LDS source, I'll listen.
Otherwise it's just more LDS propaganda, and doesn't prove a thing.

The Bible clearly states that God is not a man, period. He's not an "Ish" or an "Enosh" or any other such thing. Find me some source outside of any LDS book, manual, or pamphlet, or any other such thing, that even hints that God was once a man born on another world, and I'll listen to you. Convince me with some source that existed before there was a Joseph Smith.
Otherwise, I have to go on sadly thinking that you guys have bought into a strong delusion, and are believing a lie, because you have not received the love of the truth...
God is not a man.

 

[Wryetui]

May I ask who gave birth to the "heavenly mother" and the "heavenly father"? Still no clue about who started it all...

 

[TheBarrd]

May I ask who gave birth to the "heavenly mother" and the "heavenly father"? Still no clue about who started it all...

You don't really hear an awful lot about "heavenly mother". She seems to be a bit on the shy side...