LDS teachings on God

[Ran77]

I dare someone to try to talk any 12 year old in my family to undergo such a ghoulish rite as baptism for the dead. That person would find him/herself fighting a running chainsaw...and I don't necessarily mean me.

What a horrible thing to do to a kid. Can you even imagine the nightmares?????

Thinking on this further, how does this compare to the ghoulish rite of eating Christ's flesh and drinking His blood? Can you even imagine the nightmares this would cause a kid after you explained the significance of what they were putting in their mouth during the Eucharist?


:o

 

[Wryetui]

Thinking on this further, how does this compare to the ghoulish rite of eating Christ's flesh and drinking His blood? Can you even imagine the nightmares this would cause a kid after you explained the significance of what they were putting in their mouth during the Eucharist?


:o

You are judging Christ, God, here, because He created the Eucharist.

 

[RevelationTestament]

You are judging Christ, God, here, because He created the Eucharist.

Perhaps those denouncing baptism for the dead should stop to think perhaps they are judging Christ who said baptism is necessary. Ran is being a might bit facetious to demonstrate a point. Eating a "body" and drinking "blood" could easily be seen as ghoulish or cannibalistic to a child or young adult - at least in comparison to being dunked under water....just sayin
While I generally like thebarrd, her characterization here is just a wee bit skewed it seems, and one made out of a general distaste for anything LDS as opposed to biblical principles. It is nothing new for LDS. It is a common tactic of critics who try to paint the most negative light they can concerning LDS. LDS history is filled with such unfair criticisms.

 

[Wryetui]

Baptism cannot be performed for someone who is dead to someone who is alive representing them, what kind of sacrilege is that?

One question, if you are a Mormon, why don't you change your faith icon?

 

[TheBarrd]

Perhaps those denouncing baptism for the dead should stop to think perhaps they are judging Christ who said baptism is necessary. Ran is being a might bit facetious to demonstrate a point. Eating a "body" and drinking "blood" could easily be seen as ghoulish or cannibalistic to a child or young adult - at least in comparison to being dunked under water....just sayin
While I generally like thebarrd, her characterization here is just a wee bit skewed it seems, and one made out of a general distaste for anything LDS as opposed to biblical principles. It is nothing new for LDS. It is a common tactic of critics who try to paint the most negative light they can concerning LDS. LDS history is filled with such unfair criticisms.

LOL...I'm going to take that as a Ran-styled compliment, and, just to let you know, I generally like you too...even though you won't let me call you Sweetie.
You are a staunch and persistent defender of your faith, I'll give you that. Mainstream Christianity could use a few more like you.
Also, I think I ought to tell you, once again, in case you missed it before...I am not a Catholic. To me, the unleavened bread is just that, and the wine is just wine. I do have a very dear friend who is a Catholic school teacher in Pennsylvania...we have agreed to disagree on this point, and she knows not to try to convince the kids in my family of any such cannibalistic...uh...well, you get the idea.

In fact, Ran, you and I have agreed on a great many things, as I recall.
Our main disagreement seems to be on the nature of God. I simply cannot understand how you can believe that God was once a man...born on another world, yet...and "exalted" (gotta love that word) to godhood by ANOTHER god, who was god of that world, who was also "exalted"...and evidently this process has no definitive beginning? No earthly (or Kolobly?) idea how it all began? Ran, you strike me as being a very intelligent person, which is something I have deep respect for. I just do not get how you can seriously believe such...uh...believe that stuff.

Woops!!!!!
It appears that I owe RevelationTestament a great big apology.

RT, please forgive me for confusing you with Ran!
And just so you know...I do like you, too.
It does seem as if, with most of you guys, the one thing I just can't wrap my poor little brain around is how you can actually believe that, not only was god once a man...but that he was originally an alien from another planet! And, as if that isn't weird enough, you believe that the planet he was born on had another god who came from yet another world. You believe that these "gods" have the ability to raise up other aliens to the status of "gods", who then go off and rule over still other planets...
And you honestly don't see how this just cannot possibly work?

 

[TheBarrd]

It is very difficult for me not to call people "Sweetie" or "Hun" or some such thing. After all, I've been a Mom for 45 years...and raising kids since...gosh since I was seven and had to take over the care of my baby brother cuz my Mom was unable to do it. And this was at a time before plastic diapers and pre-bottled formula.
However, since Ran seems offended by such things, I have tried to comply with his wishes. Even when it means I have to edit my posts...

 

[RevelationTestament]

Baptism cannot be performed for someone who is dead to someone who is alive representing them, what kind of sacrilege is that?

I would agree if it was supposed to be "accomplished" for them. Rather, the dead in spirit prison or perhaps "paradise" must accept the ordinance done on their behalf for it to be effective. Since we don't know who may end up accepting Christ's words in the spirit domain, we give everyone we can that opportunity.
You didn't answer my question - do you believe Christ went in spirit to teach the dead in spirit prison?

One question, if you are a Mormon, why don't you change your faith icon?

If it indicated "LDS Christian" I would. The problem with allowing myself to be called "a Mormon" is that to others it seems an indication that I follow Mormon, whom I do not. Further, the next step for people is to refer to the "Mormon Church" - something Christ speaks against - for He disdains a church named after a man - then it is the church of a man rather than His church.
Ok I answered your question - will you answer mine?

 

[Wryetui]

Ok I answered your question - will you answer mine?

You said you are a LDS, that's why I asked.

Which question?

 

[RevelationTestament]

LOL...I'm going to take that as a Ran-styled compliment, and, just to let you know, I generally like you too...even though you won't let me call you Sweetie.

I would let you call me hun except I am married...

You are a staunch and persistent defender of your faith, I'll give you that. Mainstream Christianity could use a few more like you.

I was once in that camp. Orthodoxy had its chance to win my heart but never did. I got called to serve Christ by my own searching to understand the atonement. I finally realized that it was not only something He did for us, but was an example to us.
John 13:15
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Otherwise it seems to me His gospel makes no sense, but is incomplete.

Also, I think I ought to tell you, once again, in case you missed it before...I am not a Catholic. To me, the unleavened bread is just that, and the wine is just wine. I do have a very dear friend who is a Catholic school teacher in Pennsylvania...we have agreed to disagree on this point, and she knows not to try to convince the kids in my family of any such cannibalistic...uh...well, you get the idea.

Didn't miss it hun I know you are attending a Baptist Church. I am just speaking of Christ's words:
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Which question?

The one I have asked 3 times now: do you believe Christ went in spirit to teach the dead in spirit prison?

 

[Wryetui]

I am sorry but I don't understand the question, could you explain it a little bit more?

 

[RevelationTestament]

Do you believe this scripture from 1 Peter 3:
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

and this:
1 Peter 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

and this:
John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

 

[Wryetui]

Yes, after He died on the cross, He went to Hades freeing them from their sorrow and breaking the gates of it.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Well He told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day. Do you believe paradise is sheole/Hades?
Secondly, if men in the spirit realm can accept the gospel, why can't they accept baptism for their resurrection?

 

[Wryetui]

I don't have the answers for those questions yet, I will have to look further into our Church's teachings for them, also, I would like you to answer that questions into the TAW forum, my brothers there, who are better informed than me, can answer them, or any other christian here can do it.

 

[Der Alte]

Well He told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day. Do you believe paradise is sheole/Hades?
Secondly, if men in the spirit realm can accept the gospel, why can't they accept baptism for their resurrection?

Men in a supposed "spirit realm" cannot accept the gospel.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:​

According to this verse there is no interim place or time when men can repent.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.​

Neither hell nor the grave is ever called "prison" in the Bible and "prison" is never called hell or the grave.

The only audience to Jesus' preaching in this passage are not spirits in a "spirit prison." But the living at the time of Noah and the only ones saved were not "spirits" but Noah and his family.

Preaching to "spirits" in a "spirit prison" was not part of Jesus' earthly mission.

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord[Isa 11:2-5]​

Preaching deliverance to the captives was part of Jesus' earthly mission. The word translated "captives" literally means "prisoners of war."

 

[Ironhold]

I didn't even hear a mention here about the planet Kolob, or the fact that you baptise little children to symbolioze dead people that died unbaptised.

Little children?

Last I checked, minimum age for vicarious baptism was 12.

 

[TheBarrd]

Did Jesus preach to the dead?
Yes, and no.
Jesus went to free those who had died believing in God's promise. I believe that, if we were paying attention, we saw some of these rise from their graves:

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[bbbbbbb]

That is about as convincing as the Protestant argument that everyone who accepts Christ is a priest and a bishop - not. You're leaving out the Syrian church and the Church of the east which went their separate ways by the fifth century. I suppose that all these churches too have "the true priesthood" which is why Rome thinks it speaks for all of them LOL.

Rome thinks it speaks for you, too. So, what else is new? They think they are God's one and only church, but the LDS makes the same claim. Both can make all the claims in the world, but it doesn't mean that any of these claims are true, does it?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Baptism cannot be performed for someone who is dead to someone who is alive representing them, what kind of sacrilege is that?

One question, if you are a Mormon, why don't you change your faith icon?

He is actually not an orthodox member of the LDS church. Many of his theological views are of his own determination and do not conform to those of the LDS. My advice is to take his posts with a grain of salt.