TheBarrd
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Okay, now where were we?
Here I would refer you to the first chapter of John...in particular
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Obviously, if this verse is true, then the Son would have had to have been begotten "before all worlds". Perhaps "eternally begotten" might be overstated...I would say, instead, "begotten in eternity"...
I don't see a lot of difference between praying to the Father or to the Son, as they are ONE...I can't speak for others, but when I pray, I don't really think a lot about whether I am directing my prayer to some specific part of the Godhead. Praying 'in the name of Jesus'...why would we do that, unless we believe that Jesus has the power to hear and answer our prayers?
Now, as to praying to Mary...you do know that is a Roman Catholic thing, yes?
Even Episcopalians do not believe that Mary has the power to hear or to answer prayers.
You certainly do know that these days, there are a great many mainstream Christians who are not Catholic?
Did not Jesus, from the cross, say "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do?" By so doing, He fulfilled this saying...
No offense, but I'm not sure that anyone who follows Joseph Smith ought to be using the "f" word (fake) in reference to any other religious sect's leaders.
Remember those three fingers pointing back at you?
Who were these "heretics" do you think?
Have you considered the many good things that have been done in the name of mainstream Christianity? I'm talking about things like hospitals...for instance have you heard of St. Jude's Children's hospital? Homeless shelters, orphanages, mission houses, food banks and soup kitchens, etc, etc, etc...
"Truth suppression, fabrications"??? Seriously?
These are charges that Mormons object to when they are leveled at their own church...perhaps it would be a good idea, then, to refrain from leveling them at others...
There has been a great deal of debate as to just what the "times of restitution" might mean.
I can see how LSDs might think of it in terms of their idea of "restoration of the gospel", however, this would mean that Jesus somehow failed in His promise that "the gates of hell" would not prevail against His church, and that God was not capable of preserving His message through every age.
It is my belief that this passage speaks of the end of time, when Jesus will gather His church from the world, and all things will be "made new".
Your study is a bit overdone, I think...however, it did not lead me to the conclusion that the "restored gospel" is not "another gospel which ye have not received" nor has it given me any confidence in the man, Joseph Smith.
I think you are a very honest and sincere person, who truly believes in his faith and wants to share it...
However, I think you have been mislead.
Perhaps if you could somehow get yourself out of "defense mode", and put as much effort into understanding where mainstream Christians are coming from as you have put into trying to convince others of your own faith...well, maybe you would never "convert"...but maybe you'd learn something you don't already know.
One thing I am absolutely sure of...you will never learn a dadblamed thing from people who think just as you do...
Here I would refer you to the first chapter of John...in particular
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Obviously, if this verse is true, then the Son would have had to have been begotten "before all worlds". Perhaps "eternally begotten" might be overstated...I would say, instead, "begotten in eternity"...
I don't see a lot of difference between praying to the Father or to the Son, as they are ONE...I can't speak for others, but when I pray, I don't really think a lot about whether I am directing my prayer to some specific part of the Godhead. Praying 'in the name of Jesus'...why would we do that, unless we believe that Jesus has the power to hear and answer our prayers?
Now, as to praying to Mary...you do know that is a Roman Catholic thing, yes?
Even Episcopalians do not believe that Mary has the power to hear or to answer prayers.
You certainly do know that these days, there are a great many mainstream Christians who are not Catholic?
Did not Jesus, from the cross, say "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do?" By so doing, He fulfilled this saying...
No offense, but I'm not sure that anyone who follows Joseph Smith ought to be using the "f" word (fake) in reference to any other religious sect's leaders.
Remember those three fingers pointing back at you?
Who were these "heretics" do you think?
Have you considered the many good things that have been done in the name of mainstream Christianity? I'm talking about things like hospitals...for instance have you heard of St. Jude's Children's hospital? Homeless shelters, orphanages, mission houses, food banks and soup kitchens, etc, etc, etc...
"Truth suppression, fabrications"??? Seriously?
These are charges that Mormons object to when they are leveled at their own church...perhaps it would be a good idea, then, to refrain from leveling them at others...
There has been a great deal of debate as to just what the "times of restitution" might mean.
I can see how LSDs might think of it in terms of their idea of "restoration of the gospel", however, this would mean that Jesus somehow failed in His promise that "the gates of hell" would not prevail against His church, and that God was not capable of preserving His message through every age.
It is my belief that this passage speaks of the end of time, when Jesus will gather His church from the world, and all things will be "made new".
Your study is a bit overdone, I think...however, it did not lead me to the conclusion that the "restored gospel" is not "another gospel which ye have not received" nor has it given me any confidence in the man, Joseph Smith.
I think you are a very honest and sincere person, who truly believes in his faith and wants to share it...
However, I think you have been mislead.
Perhaps if you could somehow get yourself out of "defense mode", and put as much effort into understanding where mainstream Christians are coming from as you have put into trying to convince others of your own faith...well, maybe you would never "convert"...but maybe you'd learn something you don't already know.
One thing I am absolutely sure of...you will never learn a dadblamed thing from people who think just as you do...
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