Lawmakers scrutinize sex change procedures for children

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House lawmakers clashed Thursday over gender transition medical treatments for children, which are on the rise despite criticism that the procedures are damaging, irreversible and performed on confused adolescents.

Chloe Cole, diagnosed with gender dysphoria at 12, testified before the committee. She was treated by Kaiser Permanente “gender specialists” in the San Francisco Bay Area from ages 13 to 17 and underwent a double mastectomy at age 16. Ms. Cole reverted to identifying as female a year later and is now an outspoken advocate against gender transition procedures for children.

“I used to believe that I was born in the wrong body and the adults in my life whom I trusted affirmed my belief and caused me lifelong, irreversible harm,” said Ms. Cole, who turned 19 on Thursday. “I speak to you today as a victim of one of the biggest medical scandals in the history of the United States of America. I speak to you in the hope that you will have the courage to bring this scandal to an end and ensure that other vulnerable teenagers, children and young adults don’t go through what I went through.”

Lawmakers scrutinize sex change procedures for children

House lawmakers Thursday clashed over gender transition medical treatments for children, procedures that are on the rise despite criticism it is damaging, irreversible and is performed on confused adolescents.

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[Gene2memE]

Why should other people be punished for the mistakes of someone else?

 

[HARK!]

Why should other people be punished for the mistakes of someone else?

I don't understand the question.

 

[WolfGate]

I can respect the rights of people to choose gender surgery when they are mentally and physically developed enough to understand both the consequences and who they are as a person. People who are still developing cannot be at that point, so it seems untenable to allow minors to have that surgery. Insane was my first word choice, and I still think that might be the best one. I get the biological consequences of waiting, but that IMHO doesn't come close to reaching the risk caused by developing and not mature mental and personality growth.

(The moral piece is a whole different discussion and we do live in a diverse country).

 

[Gene2memE]

I don't understand the question.

Some people have regrets about their (largely irreversible) medical treatments undertaken as a minor. Does that mean that all minors should be barred from undertaking the same treatments?

Should the regret/harm of actions voluntarily undertaken by one individual (with the informed consent of their parents/guardians and medical/mental health professionals) or even a set of individuals, be cause to bar an entire group from undertaking those same actions with informed consent?

 

[Wings like Eagles]

If they are old enough to decide on their own gender, they should be able to drive, get a job or join the Military if they want.

 

[HARK!]

Some people have regrets about their (largely irreversible) medical treatments undertaken as a minor. Does that mean that all minors should be barred from undertaking the same treatments?

Should the regret/harm of actions voluntarily undertaken by one individual (with the informed consent of their parents/guardians and medical/mental health professionals) or even a set of individuals, be cause to bar an entire group from undertaking those same actions with informed consent?

Some of the problems is that many in this field are not making way for informed consent, and that they are pushing children in the wrong direction, as they face the normal trials of going through puberty.

Even if these problems were rectified; children's minds aren't developed enough to make a decision that hold such devastating consequences,

I see case after case where doctors push children to disfigure themselves, as they suffer from normal growing pains.

Being spared from being exploited by the agendas of some unscrupulous medical professionals is not punishment.

 

[HARK!]

If they are old enough to decide on their own gender, they should be able to drive, get a job or join the Military if they want.

...or buy a gun. They didn't shoot anyone.

Why should other people be punished for the mistakes of someone else?

 

[Pommer]

Some of the problems is that many in this field are not making way for informed consent, and that they are pushing children in the wrong direction, as they face the normal trials of going through puberty.

Even if these problems were rectified; children's minds aren't developed enough to make a decision that hold such devastating consequences,

I see case after case where doctors push children to disfigure themselves, as they suffer from normal growing pains.

Being spared from being exploited by the agendas of some unscrupulous medical professionals is not punishment.

I shan’t address your points (which is not to say that I agree with them, necessarily), but why need we a federal law for this?

 

[HARK!]

I shan’t address your points (which is not to say that I agree with them, necessarily), but why need we a federal law for this?

Why do we need any Federal laws to protect anyone? Let alone children.

I suspect that abortion advocates ask themselves this question regularly.

 

[Pommer]

Why do we need any Federal laws to protect anyone? Let alone children.

Yes, but why not “leave it to the states” like with the abortion issue?

 

[HARK!]

Yes, but why not “leave it to the states” like with the abortion issue?

Are you suggesting that the Federal Government should withdraw from protecting The People?

 

[Pommer]

Are you suggesting that the Federal Government should withdraw from protecting The People?

Nope.
I asked why does the Nation need a Federal Law to deal with this issue which is still hotly debated and of vital importance to people so situated that such a drastic measure to “protect” would also eliminate the freedom to make mistakes.

 

[HARK!]

Nope.
I asked why does the Nation need a Federal Law to deal with this issue which is still hotly debated and of vital importance to people so situated that such a drastic measure to “protect” would also eliminate the freedom to make mistakes.

For the same reason that children shouldn't be making other life altering mistakes, by giving them the freedom to drink liquor and take fentanyl. Some of these things might seem like a good idea at the time; but when one sees all of the victims; a sobering reality sets in. Taking away a young girl's ability to have children, before she has even grown into an full understanding of motherhood, can be emotionally devastating as she comes to that understanding.

Why shouldn't children be allowed to cut themselves, as they go through the normal trials of puberty?

How does a doctor with an interest in profiting from these cuttings, somehow legitimize the practice?

 

[Pommer]

For the same reason that children shouldn't be making other life altering mistakes, by giving them the freedom to drink liquor and take fentanyl. Some of these things might seem like a good idea at the time; but when one sees all of the victims; a sobering reality sets in. Taking away a young girl's ability to have children, before she has even grown into an full understanding of motherhood, can be emotionally devastating as she comes to that understanding.

Why shouldn't children be allowed to cut themselves, as they go through the normal trials of puberty?

How does a doctor with an interest in profiting from these cuttings, somehow legitimize the practice?

I don’t disagree with you about the “wisdom” of the law, just where we’d like it placed, in the Federal Code, or in the states, (with the knowledge that their Federal School lunch money program could be “audited” more closely, if they don’t pass such a bill)?

Everthing doesn’t have to be adversarial, I apologize that I gave you that impression of me.

 

[HARK!]

I don’t disagree with you about the “wisdom” of the law, just where we’d like it placed, in the Federal Code, or in the states, (with the knowledge that their Federal School lunch money program could be “audited” more closely, if they don’t pass such a bill)?

Everthing doesn’t have to be adversarial, I apologize that I gave you that impression of me.

I appreciate your extension of peace and good will.

I would agree with your assessment of school lunch money programs. However, that is a funded benefit, not a prohibition.

Let's look at other prohibitions which serve to protect children from making life damaging mistakes.

How about the campaign to keep the influences of tobacco products away from minors? Do you think that should be left up to the states? Can States like Virginia, which benefit greatly from the profits of the tobacco industry, be trusted to put the children first?

I struggle to ask these questions, as I'm a strong 10th amendment advocate; and in my opinion too many of our rights have been eroded in the name of doing it for the children.

However, this sort of legislation wouldn't erode the rights of adults.

 

[Pommer]

I appreciate your extension of peace and good will.

I would agree with your assessment of school lunch money programs. However, that is a funded benefit, not a prohibition.

Let's look at other prohibitions which serve to protect children from making life damaging mistakes.

How about the campaign to keep the influences of tobacco products away from minors? Do you think that should be left up to the states? Can States like Virginia, which benefit greatly from the profits of the tobacco industry, be trusted to put the children first?

I struggle to ask these questions, as I'm a strong 10th amendment advocate; and in my opinion too many of our rights have been eroded in the name of doing it for the children.

However, this sort of legislation wouldn't erode the rights of adults.

See that’s the absolute beauty of our Federal System, we have 50 “freedom-laboratories” writing similar but different law on a given issue. Perhaps one state’s solution to implement policy might work better throughout the system.
We get to slowly coalesce around a policy before we chose the path forward and backward and forward again.
This is the same as it ever was, it’s just “our turn” in the barrel so it can seem scary.
It’ll be okay.
We’re fine.

 

[FireDragon76]

Some people have regrets about their (largely irreversible) medical treatments undertaken as a minor. Does that mean that all minors should be barred from undertaking the same treatments?

Should the regret/harm of actions voluntarily undertaken by one individual (with the informed consent of their parents/guardians and medical/mental health professionals) or even a set of individuals, be cause to bar an entire group from undertaking those same actions with informed consent?

Stop trying to bring rationality into a discussion that's clearly about disgust at the whole idea of somebody being trans in the first place. Disgust + children = moral panic.

 

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[USincognito]

I guess the Republicans fixed the supposedly broken economy, fixed the border, fixed inflation and gas prices - which is what they ran on; and can now move on the next matter of national importance - something that effects ~10,000 people.