Law of conservation of mass

[ForJesusChrist]

For those who do not believe that God created the Universe, please explain how the law of conservation of mass is valid.

Matter cannot be created nor destroyed

So then where did everything come from if "nothing can be created"?

Thanks

God Bless

 

[durangodawood]

For those who do not believe that God created the Universe, please explain how the law of conservation of mass is valid.



So then where did everything come from if "nothing can be created"?

Thanks

God Bless

I'm pretty sure we dont have access to the rules that govern reality "beyond" or "outside" our universe.

So our universe could be eternal.
OR it could be one of an eternal sequence of universes.
OR ... anything else really.

I'm fine with "our universe is eternal and NOT created" as an explanation. Works for me until shown otherwise.

 

[Cearbhall]

For those who do not believe that God created the Universe, please explain how the law of conservation of mass is valid.

Well, personally, that's why I'm an agnostic atheist. I accept the Big Bang and the theory that the universe has gone through the Big Bang/Big Crunch cycle many times, but the original matter still had to come from somewhere. There's the question of why something exists rather than nothing. I don't like to identify as Deist, though, because I think my conclusions aren't quite that defined.

However, I don't see what this has to do with God, assuming you're referring to the Abrahamic notion of a deity. It would require a huge leap of logic for me to say that your specific concept of a god is responsible for this. The options are not just God or nothing.

 

[Ophiolite]

1. It is not generally considered that the Big Bang arose out of nothing.
2. The laws and fundamental constants governing this universe may have come into existence at its inception.

Consequently, there is no foundation to your attempted logic flow.

 

[Nithavela]

Matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa. That is a fact. So there.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Well if it cannot be created, how could a
god create it?

 

[juvenissun]

I'm pretty sure we dont have access to the rules that govern reality "beyond" or "outside" our universe.

So our universe could be eternal.
OR it could be one of an eternal sequence of universes.
OR ... anything else really.

I'm fine with "our universe is eternal and NOT created" as an explanation. Works for me until shown otherwise[/COLOR].

It would be too late.
Have you heard situation like that?

 

[Eudaimonist]

So then where did everything come from if "nothing can be created"?

It was always present in some form, and therefore never created.

Was God created?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[KCfromNC]

For those who do not believe that God created the Universe, please explain how the law of conservation of mass is valid.

This would seem to be equally problematic for people who do believe that God created the Universe, unless they're going to appeal to magic.

So then where did everything come from if "nothing can be created"?

That's not what the law of conservation of mass is. Matter is created and destroyed all the time.

 

[KWCrazy]

Matter can be formed from energy. God is limitless energy, therefore God could form the universe.
Saying that the universe could somehow be eternal is a rejection of the basic laws of science.
Saying that the universe could be formed from other universes is as scientific as saying it was laid out by a great cosmic chicken.
There are NO valid scientific explanations for the origination of matter.
Saying that there were no laws of physics prior to the auto-creation of the universe is sophomoric. The laws of physics pertain to the attributes of matter/energy, which preclude it from being created. Matter doesn't act in accordance to existing law, existing physical laws are determined by the characteristics of matter.
Again, there are NO valid scientific explanations for the origination of matter/energy.
There are NO valid scientific explanations for the origination of life.
These things are unexplainable via science. People may have theories of how origination may have happened, but anyone who tries to tell you that this or that process over billions of years created anything is lying. They can't state what they don't know.
Science will never disprove the seven day creation. Science studies the natural world, not the supernatural. It can neither validate nor invalidate the existence of God.

 

[KWCrazy]

That's not what the law of conservation of mass is. Matter is created and destroyed all the time.

Nope. Epic fail.
Only its form may be changed.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Nope. Epic fail.
Only its form may be changed.

I think it was a matter of poor word choice rather than lack of understanding

 

[essentialsaltes]

#1: The Uncertainty Principle violates the conservation of mass/energy.

#2: It is possible that the entire mass/energy content of the universe is zero.

"Due to quantum uncertainty, energy fluctuations such as an electron and its anti-particle, a positron, can arise spontaneously out of vacuum space, but must disappear rapidly. The lower the energy of the bubble, the longer it can exist. A gravitational field has negative energy. Matter has positive energy. The two values cancel out provided the universe is completely flat. In that case, the universe has zero energy and can theoretically last forever."

 

[durangodawood]

It would be too late.
Have you heard situation like that?

I dont understand you.

Too late for what?

 

[True Scotsman]

For those who do not believe that God created the Universe, please explain how the law of conservation of mass is valid.



So then where did everything come from if "nothing can be created"?

Thanks

God Bless

If It can't be created or destroyed then it has always existed and always will. It is eternal. The problem with asking where everything came from is that the concept of everything or "existence" is axiomatic and therefore conceptually irreducible. Therefore to ask where did everything come from is to deny the axiomatic nature of existence as a whole. We can say where certain things in existence came from but not existence as a whole. There's nowhere to look.

 

[Gene2memE]

Big Bang -> Baryosynthesis -> Nucleosynthesis -> Matter -> Stellar nucleosynthesis -> Supernova nucleosysnthesis -> Lots of different kinds of matter

 

[Paradoxum]

I think, in the first moment of time the universe existed. There was never 'nothing' from which the universe popped out.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Is it possible to have a non random uncaused event?

 

[quatona]

So then where did everything come from if "nothing can be created"?

"Everything" can´t come from something else, because then it wouldn´t be everything.

Anyway, these natural laws are the laws we observe to be valid within the already existing universe. I see no reason to assume they must be governing the "coming into existence" of universes, as well.
However, once we have given up on the idea that the natural laws observed within the universe apply to the question whether and how it originated, and start making a claim like "it has been created out of nothing", there are several other equally exceptional (and equally non-explanatory) possibilities accounting for its origin.

Personally, I find the idea that the universe has always existed (in one form or another) to be the least exceptional one. It doesn´t even seem to violate any natural law observed within the universe.

 

[KCfromNC]

Nope. Epic fail.
Only its form may be changed.

Yeah, it changes from matter to non matter and back again. Hence my correction of the OP's false claim that "Matter cannot be created nor destroyed". I mean yeah, this is a philosophy forum but there's no reason posters can't get basic science facts correct here. This isn't Fox news.