Lava Flows vs The Flood

jwu · May 2, 2006

http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/~cfd/gallery/images/flo12.jpg
http://www.uraniumminerals.com/Notes/Images/Lava.jpg
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/Gallery/earth/lava.jpg

Aerial lava flows can be distinguished from aquatic ones, due to the cooling effect of water. One particularly spectacular example is columnar basalt:
http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/geography/hutton/basalt.jpg (warning, huge image)
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/03/80/038009_ecbb201a.jpg

It's typical for lava flows which cooled on dry land.
This means that such columnar basalt should not be found in strata which supposedly was laid down by the flood. But we do find it in a multitude of strata. E.g. there is such basalt in the upper cretaceous in the Yukon region.

These are some more examples of such basalt covered by some more sediments...too many sediments for it to be post flood, and it's clearly above anything that can be called pre flood:

Miocene basalt:
http://www.cwnp.org/basalt.jpg

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/images/20010521-srb-130_large.jpg

Huge but very cool:
http://www.cas.sc.edu/geog/gsgdocs/images/GSG_CD/ColunarJointing.jpg

Tertiary Columnar Basalt is found in The Giant’s Causeway, NE Antrim

(the brownish layer in particular)
Tertiary Columnar basalt is also found at Fingal's Cave off Mull (UK).

Neogene to Quaternary Columnar Basalt in Mongolia.

Carboniferous Columnar Basalt: Largo Law in Scotland

So all these strata were exposed to air when the lava flows formed, i.e. not they didn't form during a global flood.

jwu · May 2, 2006

Editing done

jwu · May 2, 2006

As a contrast, basalt flows which occured underwater look like this:

caravelair · May 2, 2006

[YEC]only the flood could cause these features![/YEC]

jwu · May 2, 2006

The silence is deafening

Welded Tuffs are a similar case. They are rock which formed as the remains of a pyroclastic flow - grains baked together by lots of heat.

It's easy to see that this won't work underwater, for there no such flows can form. Yet tuffs are found in pretty much all strata.

Arkanin · May 2, 2006

Jwu,

I am not sure what you are trying to prove. However...

Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.

No offense, but I'm pretty sure you're aware of the energy source. You wouldn't be able to see anything and we would all freeze to death instantly without it.

Lord Emsworth · May 2, 2006

Arkanin said:
Jwu,

I am not sure what you are trying to prove. However...

No offense, but I'm pretty sure you're aware of the energy source. You wouldn't be able to see anything and we would all freeze to death instantly without it.

Psst, that is from his sig-line and does not necessarily represent his opinion.

You may blush now.

Arkanin · May 2, 2006

Lord Emsworth said:
Psst, that is from his sig-line and does not necessarily represent his opinion.

You may blush now.

Good point I did see him posting AIG links, though...

AngryNotice · May 2, 2006

were you there at the time of those "volcanic eruptions"? no

was god there at the time of the flood? yes

my point exactly

Frumious Bandersnatch · May 2, 2006

AngryNotice said:
were you there at the time of those "volcanic eruptions"? no

was god there at the time of the flood? yes

my point exactly

So God knows that there was never a worldwide flood. Why can't you figure it out.

dad · May 2, 2006

AngryNotice said:
were you there at the time of those "volcanic eruptions"? no

was god there at the time of the flood? yes

my point exactly

We must look at the possibility these things were not made at flood time. My opinion here is that lava used to cool quickly, because matter was in a different state than the present.

dlamberth · May 3, 2006

Living in the Pacific Northwest I find myself very interested in the Columbia River Basalts.

Almost everything about this volcanic province is impressive. The Columbia River Flood Basalt Province forms a plateau of 164,000 square kilometers between the Cascade Range and the Rocky Mountains. In all, more than 300 individual large (average volume 580 cubic km!) lava flows cover parts of the states of Idaho, Washington, and Oregon. At some locations, the lava is more than 3,500 m thick. The total volume of the volcanic province is 175,000 cubic km. Eruptions filled the Pasco Basin in the east and then sent flows westward into the Columbia River Gorge. About 85% of the province is made of the Grande Ronde Basalt with a volume of 149,000 cubic km (enough lava to bury all of the continental United States under 12 m of lava!) that erupted over a period of less than one million years. Flows eventually reached the Pacific Ocean, about 300 to 600 km from their fissure vents. The Pomona flow traveled from west-central Idaho to the Pacific (600 km), making it the longest known lava flow on Earth (the major- and trace-element compositions of the flow do not change over its entire length).
Read the source HERE

So we have 300 different flows of basalt, each one completely cooled before the next one came a long. At least one of those flows dumped into the Pacific Ocean 350 miles away. Than along came the Ice Age.

Years after all off these flows of basalt cooled the Ice Age brought in 2 mile high glaciers which sat on top of the basalt. The Glaciers are gone now, but there are no signs of a world wide flood. If these flows are believed to happen after the flood, there simply is not enough time for all of those basalt flows and to grow and melt 2 mile high glaciers on top of the lava fields to boot.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/finalprogram/session_10122.htm
http://www.mantleplumes.org/CRB.html
http://www2.nature.nps.gov/geology/usgsnps/province/columplat.html
http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/columbia/forest/geology/index.shtml

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Adriac · May 3, 2006

dad said:
We must look at the possibility these things were not made at flood time. My opinion here is that lava used to cool quickly, because matter was in a different state than the present.

Question.

If you believe that, in the past, everything was the same except that all physical laws took place exponentially faster... Isn't that just a difference of perspective from saying that a very, very long time passed?

Elduran · May 3, 2006

AngryNotice said:
were you there at the time of those "volcanic eruptions"? no

was god there at the time of the flood? yes

my point exactly

Can you even show to a skeptic that god exists? No

Should we therefore take your word for it? No

Does your opinion matter when it comes to science? Not by a long shot!

dad · May 3, 2006

dlamberth said:
.. If these flows are believed to happen after the flood, there simply is not enough time for all of those basalt flows and to grow and melt 2 mile high glaciers on top of the lava fields to boot...

.

Oh but there is. For 100 years after the flood the earth was still in a merged state. Things cooled very fast. Piece of cake. Come back when you get a stumper.

dad · May 3, 2006

Adriac said:
Question.

If you believe that, in the past, everything was the same except that all physical laws took place exponentially faster... Isn't that just a difference of perspective from saying that a very, very long time passed?

A very different perspective indeed. One that agrees with God. One that agrees with the geneology of Adam timeframe, and allows a real flood, as Jesus refered to. One that allows a new heavens, and a real eternity.

caravelair · May 3, 2006

dad said:
Oh but there is. For 100 years after the flood the earth was still in a merged state. Things cooled very fast. Piece of cake. Come back when you get a stumper.

sorry, but the universe has existed for less than 1 week. 100 years? that's a nonsense non-existant amount of time. come back when you get a stumper.

rjw · May 3, 2006

AngryNotice said:
were you there at the time of those "volcanic eruptions"? no

was god there at the time of the flood? yes

my point exactly

Gidday AngryNotice,

Since you have made "being there" the criterion by which you judge matters:-

We were not there at the time of those volcanic eruptions, but they did leave evidence behind.

You were not there at the time of this supposed flood were you? Did it leave any compelling evidence behind?

Were you around to see that your god was there at the time of this supposed flood? If not, then did your god leave any compelling evidence behind that he/she/it was there?

Regards, Roland

correlationrevelation · May 3, 2006

Thank you

Mocca · May 3, 2006

You know, this may be why I didn't get any answers when I made my "What layers, creationists?" thread, asking which layers were made during the flood.

Because if they named one, evolutionists would come up with tons of examples of things like these lava flows; which cannot have been name during the Flood.

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