Last one I promise about baptism

FoundInGrace · Dec 17, 2014

by the way, when I eventually did take the plunge lol and got baptized I wore hardly any eye makeup and what I wore was waterproof! plus I wore an extra layer of clothes, and God helped me with a lot of grace and prayers with the public speaking part of it, I was really calm which surprised me.
I was very nervous but God actually really carried me and helped me with a lot of peace.

God is not an ogre, He understands and helps us when we are weak. He really loves us.

ConfuseddotCom · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
I got that, and appreciate your honesty. But one in this very thread said they have no intention ever of being baptized. That is a condition of the heart, that perhaps will change over time, but at the present is an act of willful disobedience.

If someone lives years after a "salvation experience" whatever that is, and they never get baptized and then die. When they stand in front of Jesus will, "I didn't know" work? Shouldn't they have searched the scriptures? There is no way a person can read the scriptures, especially in the new testament without coming across a reference to baptism. Given they have adequate time to cover even a small portion of them.

Thankfully God is my judge and NOT you

I might add you are skating on thin ice with regard to forum rules by implying I will go to hell for disagreeing with your pet doctrine

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

My baptism (though I plan on redoing it eventually) I was 15 and when the preacher took me under, I left my feet and the overcoat he was wearing to protect himself from water getting on his suit was instantly filled to the top with water...

Andry · Dec 17, 2014

There seems to be confusion between righteousness and sinlessness, when they have nothing to do with the other. Was Abraham righteous? Was Abraham sinless?

Abraham believed God, and that was imputed to him righteous because of that faith. But he was wasn't sinless. So one comes from God, and the other is legal and moral perfection. One is belief, the other is behavior.

But then in our immaturity, what we try to do is gauge, judge, criticize (pick verb of choice) people's behaviour and link that to their belief system.

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

ConfuseddotCom said:
Thankfully God is my judge and NOT you ��

I might add you are skating on thin ice with regard to forum rules by implying I will go to hell for disagreeing with your pet doctrine ��

I did nothing of the sort. I simply said, with scriptural proof, that such people who refuse to get baptized when Jesus commanded it, are living in willful disobedience. The words condemned to hell never left my fingers onto the screen. EVER

ConfuseddotCom · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
I did nothing of the sort. I simply said, with scriptural proof, that such people who refuse to get baptized when Jesus commanded it, are living in willful disobedience. The words condemned to hell never left my fingers onto the screen. EVER

The implication is there and you are not allowed to make such implications either.

You have stated I have wilfully disobeyed God, I could report you for that statement alone

FoundInGrace · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
My baptism (though I plan on redoing it eventually) I was 15 and when the preacher took me under, I left my feet and the overcoat he was wearing to protect himself from water getting on his suit was instantly filled to the top with water...

hehe, bet he wasn't expecting that!
Because of my extra layers it sounded like a waterfall when I got out of the pool they were so full of water.. I reckon God must have smiled (kindly of course) about that. The joys aye.. I suspect every baptism probably has something to smile about.

may I ask why you are thinking of redoing it?

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

ConfuseddotCom said:
The implication is there and you are not allowed to make such implications either.

You have stated I have wilfully disobeyed God, I could report you for that statement alone

Report me if you feel the need too. I call a spade a spade, that's just how I am. Disobedience is just that. It may be ignorant disobedience, but disobedience none the less.

Explain to me, why do you not want to be baptized? I promise I won't snap back at you. Help me understand your viewpoint.

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

FoundInGrace said:
hehe, bet he wasn't expecting that!
Because of my extra layers it sounded like a waterfall when I got out of the pool they were so full of water.. I reckon God must have smiled (kindly of course) about that. The joys aye.. I suspect every baptism probably has something to smile about.

may I ask why you are thinking of redoing it?

I was baptized before I really knew what it's purpose was. Even if I find my thinking of it now is different than the church's doctrine, it was imcomplete then. That really isn't the reason though. The main reason is, after I was baptized things happened, and I just feel since I had recommitted myself, I should be rebaptized. Just a conviction I've had since I was healed.

FoundInGrace · Dec 17, 2014

ConfuseddotCom said:
The implication is there and you are not allowed to make such implications either.

You have stated I have wilfully disobeyed God, I could report you for that statement alone

ConfuseddotCom has got a point there ByTheSpirit.

actually ConfuseddotCom I think you've taken being called "wilfully disobedient" really graciously. I don't know that I would have been able to be so gracious about it!

ConfuseddotCom · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
Report me if you feel the need too. I call a spade a spade, that's just how I am. Disobedience is just that. It may be ignorant disobedience, but disobedience none the less.

Explain to me, why do you not want to be baptized? I promise I won't snap back at you. Help me understand your viewpoint.

Explain to you, after the way you have spoken to me already, no thanks, I'm bowing out of the discussion.

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

FoundInGrace said:
ConfuseddotCom has got a point there ByTheSpirit.

actually ConfuseddotCom I think you've taken being called "wilfully disobedient" really graciously. I don't know that I would have been able to be so gracious about it!

So its now a crime for a Christian to call out the disobedience of another?

FoundInGrace · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
I was baptized before I really knew what it's purpose was. Even if I find my thinking of it now is different than the church's doctrine, it was imcomplete then. That really isn't the reason though. The main reason is, after I was baptized things happened, and I just feel since I had recommitted myself, I should be rebaptized. Just a conviction I've had since I was healed.

I hear ya, after I got baptized I had a sort of wilderness dark time and then God intervened and delivered me from some things I thought would never be gone, it was like a new start that God gave me years after I was baptised. I do hear why you maybe considering doing it again.

I guess some of what you mentioned about incomplete doctrine etc at the time of your baptism is sort of why sometimes it can be a good thing to have a little bit of time between salvation and getting baptized so there is time to understand what baptism is a little more. Not always just sometimes imho.

FoundInGrace · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
So its now a crime for a Christian to call out the disobedience of another?

sometimes.

if its like a slap in the face when it doesn't need to be one then.. I reckon.. yeah.. sometimes.

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

FoundInGrace said:
sometimes.

Interesting, I don't agree, but interesting

FoundInGrace · Dec 17, 2014

compassion..

everything Jesus did was with truth and mercy

so you were a heck of lot more hurtful than you needed to be, that's where the crime was.

I feel really sad.
i hope ConfuseddotCom will be ok.

Messy · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
Interesting, I don't agree, but interesting

It's not a crime, but not a very wise thing to do either if you want the other to be baptized. I had a friend who was from a reformed church and she was baptized as a baby, so she thought that was enough and you really had to explain to her why it was so good and Scriptural for her to get baptized and have some patience before she grabbed it.
I think if someone had started with: 'you are wilfully disobedient', she wouldn't have listened, LOL.

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

FoundInGrace said:
compassion..

everything Jesus did was with truth and mercy

so you were a heck of lot more hurtful than you needed to be, that's where the crime was.

I feel really sad.
i hope ConfuseddotCom will be ok.

Yes, Truth (disobeying a commandment is disobedience) and mercy (I did not ever condemn that person, I merely pointed out the truth)...

If churches/Christians are getting to the point where you can't keep each other accountable for things, what are we to become?

Biblicist · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
I did nothing of the sort. I simply said, with scriptural proof, that such people who refuse to get baptized when Jesus commanded it, are living in willful disobedience. The words condemned to hell never left my fingers onto the screen. EVER

I couldn't agree more. It is one thing to question the validity of saying that water baptism is mandatory for our salvation but if we refuse to be water baptised then we are indeed walking on very thorny ground.

FoundInGrace · Dec 17, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
Yes, Truth (disobeying a commandment is disobedience) and mercy (I did not ever condemn that person, I merely pointed out the truth)...

If churches/Christians are getting to the point where you can't keep each other accountable for things, what are we to become?

I really don't think you get the mercy part of it because you showed no mercy and you did condemn them. And the truth, you need more information than you had to know for sure that they are in wilful disobedience, there may be many reasons why they don't get baptized... maybe they're allergic to water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who knows and yet you completely judged and condemned them based on one post they made

Do you really not see that you just hit them hard and showed no grace, no compassion? you did not even put it in a kind way just stated your version of the truth as you saw it with no compassion.

i need to go and pray because i am really feeling quite sick about how ConfuseddotCom was treated.

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