Kyle Rittenhouse - hero

[LeafByNiggle]

This?
My opinion still stands. Grosskreutz and Huber were BLM.

Estimates are that in 2020, about 15 to 26 million people participated in social justice demonstrations organized by BLM. And out of these 15 to 26 million you could only come up with 2 bad guys? My statement was about the vast majority BLM, not every single one of them.

 

[SuperCow]

There have been hundreds of arrests in multiple cities for looting, vandalism, destruction of property, etc.. Except for local news, no national media outlet is going to cover all of these. There have also been many local business owners who's businesses and livelihood have been destroyed. Only a few key people in either case have been interviewed for political purposes on the news. The others nobody cares about.

The only reason we know these guys names is because they were shot.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

One of the biggest lies in this story is "Kyle had no business being there with a gun.

If he is not breaking the law, and the court decided that he wasn't, then Kyle can go where he wants and do want he wants.

"Kyle had no business being there with a gun" is not a statement about legality. It is a statement about reasonable interest. In that sense he had no business being there. He did not own any of the businesses or property there. He did not even have any friends of his he needed to protect. He went in as a trouble-maker, and trouble was indeed made. There is a reason we have a trained police force for these types of situations. Kyle was not trained in use-of-force protocols like the police. He had only his kid sense to guide him, and his personal opinions on the Jacob Blake shooting. In a civilized society we cannot have untrained kids exercising lethal force motivated by their own political leanings.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

There have been hundreds of arrests in multiple cities for looting, vandalism, destruction of property, etc..

The vast majority of social justice demonstrators were peaceful. As I said, they number in the tens of millions.

Except for local news, no national media outlet is going to cover all of these. There have also been many local business owners who's businesses and livelihood have been destroyed.

You mean like Black Wall Street that was plundered Tulsa in 1921, for which reparations have never been made?

 

[Matt5]

Heroism is not righteousness in this case.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isa. 5:20.) ... "

You must be thinking about this:

Protest photos: Oakland protester calls men killed in Rittenhouse shooting 'heroes'

 

[Sparagmos]

Furthermore, most Antifa and BLM are bussed into cities and states that they do not reside in. They wouldn't be able to riot, loot, burn, and kill without crossing state lines.

Lol what? Bussed in by whom? Antifa and BLM protested nightly for 3 months in my city, were they also being put up in hotels?

 

[SuperCow]

You mean like Black Wall Street that was plundered Tulsa in 1921, for which reparations have never been made?

Maybe. That was before my time. I'm sure a lot of nasty things were done back then. That was around the peak of the KKK if I remember correctly.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Maybe. That was before my time. I'm sure a lot of nasty things were done back then. That was around the peak of the KKK if I remember correctly.

It was. But even today, the plundered land has not been restored to the people from whom it is taken, so it remains an open wound in race relations.

 

[LeGato]

Estimates are that in 2020, about 15 to 26 million people participated in social justice demonstrations organized by BLM. And out of these 15 to 26 million you could only come up with 2 bad guys? My statement was about the vast majority BLM, not every single one of them.

you could only come up with 2 bad guys?

Three...and those were only the ones that got caught.

 

[LeGato]

Lol what? Bussed in by whom? Antifa and BLM protested nightly for 3 months in my city, were they also being put up in hotels?

Were you not watching the news last summer?

 

[LeGato]

You mean like Black Wall Street that was plundered Tulsa in 1921, for which reparations have never been made?

Straw Man not relevant to the thread.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Three...and those were only the ones that got caught.

The fact is that the vast majority of those 15 to 26 million racial justice protesters were completely peaceful, did not set fires, did not loot, and did not kill. There were even a number of law enforcement leaders that joined the marches in solidarity with those protesting, like the Sheriff of Saginaw County, Michigan.

 

[chad kincham]

Recently acquitted Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero. Not because he killed people - self-defense almost by definition cannot be heroic.

No, Kyle is a hero for two other noteworthy actions.

First, he placed himself in danger to protect his community - which was under attack. He defied the bullies and thugs who caused millions of dollars of damage to the poorer-multiracial quarter of Kenosha in order to protect property, put out fires, clean up graffiti and render emergency medical aid to any in need (including the rioters).

Second, even when attacked by multiple members of a hostile mob, he used the minimum force necessary to protect his life. He showed such restrain that even combat veterans said that they would have done as well if they were in Kyle's shoes. Attacked by a coordinated mob assault, wounded multiple times, concussed and afraid, he continually avoided confrontation until it was impossible as he retreated to surrender to the police.

Perhaps he went there with naive notions of being a "do-gooder", but when the government ordered the police to stand down and let the down-trodden take a beating in the name of social justice, Kyle possessed the essential Christlike quality of agape love: suffering the benefit of others.

The MSM lied outrageously about him, and the prosecution was completely political and ideological.

In fact he should sue and get some big legal awards like the kid who was exonerated after the MSM called him a racist and white supremecist.

 

[SuperCow]

It was. But even today, the plundered land has not been restored to the people from whom it is taken, so it remains an open wound in race relations.

I know nothing about the incident in 1921. All I can tell you is that two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I know nothing about the incident in 1921. All I can tell you is that two wrongs don't make a right.

The fact that you do not know anything about the most deadly race riot in American history according to the Red Cross shows how much in denial this nation is over it's racial history. To be fair, I also had not heard of the Tulsa Mascara until a few years ago, so deficient was my schooling, so you are not alone in being uninformed. But that deficiency is easily corrected with a quick Internet research. The most notable thing about this race riot was the fact that an entire thriving black business community, dubbed the Black Wall Street was displaced by the riot. Not only were about 300 killed, but the homes and businesses in that area that had been black owned were all taken over by whites and remain so to this day. The survivors were exiled from their now-vanished community.

Protesting that situation is not a wrong.

 

[Sparagmos]

Were you not watching the news last summer?

Non-sequiter. Care to answer the question?

 

[LeGato]

Non-sequiter. Care to answer the question?

What was the question...who were they bussed in by? Did they stay at motels?

They were bussed in by bus drivers...I don't know who they were. Motels? How should I know?

My point is asking you my question was that there were BLM busses all over the place in the news, esp. in Atlanta. If you had seen the footage, you'd know.

And, actually I don't think that was a non-sequitur.
non sequitur - Dictionary Definition

 

[Aldebaran]

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isa. 5:20.) ... "

At the risk of committing blasphemy (which I don't think it is), the first words could very well read, "Woke unto them", and it would be accurate for these times. It's the woke of this country who turn everything around in meanings, and call patriotism evil and marxism good. Looters and arsonists good, and peacekeepers vigilantes.

 

[SuperCow]

The fact that you do not know anything about the most deadly race riot in American history according to the Red Cross shows how much in denial this nation is over it's racial history. To be fair, I also had not heard of the Tulsa Mascara until a few years ago, so deficient was my schooling, so you are not alone in being uninformed. But that deficiency is easily corrected with a quick Internet research. The most notable thing about this race riot was the fact that an entire thriving black business community, dubbed the Black Wall Street was displaced by the riot. Not only were about 300 killed, but the homes and businesses in that area that had been black owned were all taken over by whites and remain so to this day. The survivors were exiled from their now-vanished community.

Protesting that situation is not a wrong.

I grew up in Canada, so the civil rights struggles down here weren't as prominent in our education. I remember more about native American issues than African American ones, but even in that case it was more about the tribes north of the border.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I grew up in Canada, so the civil rights struggles down here weren't as prominent in our education. I remember more about native American issues than African American ones, but even in that case it was more about the tribes north of the border.

My impression is that Canada has taken the issue of minority rights and especially indigenous rights much more seriously than the US, eh?