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That's a good article that you posted. I hope you'll read the book. In the article they hint at a lot of key points that I am sure the book discusses in full detail.

Understand this first: Eating Kosher Is Not A Salvation Issue. With that framed and hung on the wall, we can move on. What kosher is, is an obedience issue. Without getting into arguments about Law and whether its abolished, or whether certain commandments are for different people and different groups, it can really come down to one thing: God said to do it, shouldn't we do it? See, I believe that when we are told that to love the LORD our God with all our hearts, souls, minds and strengths and to love our neighbor as ourselves encompasses the whole Law and the Prophets, that means it doesn't start there. In the plainest of terms, I find it a whole lot easier to forego my morning bacon (or even just make a turkey substitution), than I do having to forgive people who constantly hurt me and disappoint me. But I have found that doing something so simple as eating for God, opens the door to confidently doing larger things for God.

The question was, "Do Christians need to keep Kosher food laws?" If by 'need' you mean, "Will we endanger our inheritance of eternal life by eating un-kosher?" The answer is, "No." Christ saves, there is none other. And if we have done nothing to gain that salvation, we can do nothing to lose it. That decision is only made by the Just and Holy Ruler.

If by 'need' you mean, "Is there something to us biologically that says kosher is better?" Probably! :) We are God's creation, He knows what kind of fuel is best. I know there have been studies which you can research. I am sure the book talks about those. If you think about the things you don't eat on a kosher diet, it's all the bottom-feeders. Pigs will eat anything. Pigs will eat other pigs if given the chance. Same with chickens, that's why it's better to get vegetarian-fed chickens. Shrimp are literally bottom-feeders, eating every nasty thing that sinks to the bottom of the oceans. Vultures are scavengers eating dead, rotting carcasses. What those animals eat affects them, what we eat affects us.

Finally, if by 'need' you mean, "God commanded His people to eat kosher, should we follow that model?" I say, "Yes." Original sin entered the world through something being eaten that shouldn't have been. It wasn't about the apple itself, it was about going against what God had commanded. God wants us to be obedient like children. If our parents give us broccoli, we are better if we eat it. If we don't, they don't love us more. But when we eat our vegetables and grow up big and strong we can say, "Look, my parents taught me how to eat well." And they receive the credit for giving us the option, regardless of whether or not we do it. Everything God tells us to do is for our benefit. He made us, He knows what we need.

If you really want to have some serious discussions about it, I would point you towards the Messianic Jewish forum on this site.
 
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Do Christians need to keep Kosher food laws?

Under the New Covenant, all foods are in themselves okay for all believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, to eat (1 Timothy 4:4-5, Romans 14:14,20, Mark 7:18-19; 1 Corinthians 10:25-30, Colossians 2:16-17, Hebrews 9:10). For under the New Covenant, no meat is defiled in itself (Romans 14:14), all meats are pure (Romans 14:20). Every meat is good, and no meat is to be refused if it's received with thanksgiving to God, for it's sanctified by the Word of God and prayer (1 Timothy 4:4-5). Let no one therefore judge you regarding what meat you eat (Colossians 2:16-17, Hebrews 9:10). For the kingdom of God doesn't consist of what meat we eat or don't eat, but consists of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17). Happy are those believers, both Jews and Gentiles, who don't condemn themselves over what meat they eat (Romans 14:22), for no meat can defile them (Mark 7:18-19).

It's sometimes claimed that we shouldn't eat animals that were "unclean" under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Leviticus 11) because they're detrimental to health. But where does it say that they were "unclean" because they're detrimental to health? Even pork isn't detrimental to health when it's cooked properly. That's why there are so many healthy old people in China, a nation which thrives on properly-cooked pork. So the dietary restrictions of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law weren't for health purposes, but must have been symbolic, just as Acts 10:11-15 wasn't for health purposes, but was symbolic (Acts 10:28), and just as the clothing restrictions and hair-cutting restrictions of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law weren't for health purposes, but must have been symbolic. For people can live long and healthy lives wearing clothing made of mixed fibers (such as cotton/nylon blends), even though this goes against the letter of Deuteronomy 22:11. And people can live long and healthy lives shaving the sides of their heads and beards, even though this goes against the letter of Leviticus 19:27.

The idea of "clean" and "unclean" in the Old Testament wasn't derived from whether or not something was to be eaten, for people and inedible objects could also be "clean" or "unclean" (Leviticus 11:24-40). Instead, it was derived from whether or not something (whether human, animal, or object) was considered by God in Old Testament times to be holy/not guilty or unholy/guilty (Leviticus 11:43-47, Leviticus 5:2b-3, Leviticus 10:10).

On Jesus' Cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the 2nd covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

All believers, both Jews and Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law and shouldn't keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21) or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18,19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus' New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48). So there's no reason why any believer should ever want to go back under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after he had set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before he brought that promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been made obsolete by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). For example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required an Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30), whereas the New Covenant replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the Melchisedechian priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-28). Also, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required animal sacrifices (e.g. Leviticus 23:19), whereas the New Covenant replaced those with the one-time sacrifice of Jesus (Hebrews 10).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is the Hagar to the New Covenant's Sarah (Galatians 4:22-25), so that those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are like Ishmael, whereas those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who keep the New Covenant are like Isaac (Galatians 4:22-31).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (including the letter of the 10 commandments), written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8), was the ministration of death and condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). For example, see Leviticus 20:10, Exodus 31:14, and Numbers 15:32-36; and contrast these with the New Covenant's John 8:4-11 and Matthew 12:1-8. The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been done away (2 Corinthians 3:11), abolished (2 Corinthians 3:13b). But it's still able to spiritually blind some people as with a veil from beholding Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:14-16), whereas the New Covenant is the ministration of the spirit and righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:6,8,9b), which remains (2 Corinthians 3:11b), and which permits believers to remove the veil and to behold Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:16-18, Mark 15:38, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-18, Colossians 2:14-17).

But a mistaken spirit of Pharisaism can still sometimes deceive even Christians into thinking that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved (Acts 15:1,5), or in order to become perfect (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). This is a false, cursed gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). For if any believers are keeping any part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, thinking that they must do so in order to be saved, or in order to become perfect, then Jesus will profit them nothing; they have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-8).
 
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I loosely follow the guidelines, and also add restrictions that I know are risky now-- for health reasons. Since our spiritual lives tie in with our bodies' well-being, they are not completely separable...but I agree it is not a salvation issue.

Eating Kosher Is Not A Salvation Issue. With that framed and hung on the wall, we can move on. What kosher is, is an obedience issue.
The law was given "That you may live long in the land."
It is similar to "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

Rules keep us from undue pain. Even if people don't understand the chemistry of mixing meat and milk enzymes, they can trust the policy and expect that others in society will support them on it.

We know that it is not clean to touch a dead animal that has already begun the decomposition process with bacteria and other microbes...toxins... and the possibility of rabies, West Nile, or other disease. (Road kill=risky, kosher meat=processed for safety)

You can look up the word meanings of unclean below. Each one of these words has multiple definitions, based on the general concept of things being clean or not -- with physical, moral, and spiritual connotations.

Aramaic Lexicon• ܛܡܐ• ܛܰܡܳܐܐ• ܛܰܢܦ݂ܳܐGreek Lexicon• ἀκάθαρτος• κοινός• κοινόωHebrew Lexicon• גָּאַל• טָהוֹר• טָהֵר• טָמֵא , טָמְאָה • טָמֵא• טֻמְאָה• הֲלֹא לֹא, , לֹה • נִדָּה• נִידָה
 
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Im not a new christian, but This is a "Beginner" question I guess you could say. Do Christians need to keep Kosher food laws?

Holy cow! Christians go kosher - Chicago Tribune

I have to disagree with others. The health laws have nothing to do with covenants. God gave the health laws and modern day science shows why those laws that God gave for health are the best if followed. You would find that the foods that God says you should not eat, contain the most amount of toxins and do not have a digestive system to eliminate toxins from their food well.

Foods were labelled clean and unclean at least from the days of Noah when God told him to take the clean animals into the ark by pairs of 7 and the unclean by pairs of 2. So these clean and unclean animals were differentiated since before any covenant was made to mankind.

All God did through Moses in Leviticus and Deuteronomy was reiterate the differences and re-educate the Israelites since they last lost the knowledge of many of these things after spending 490 years in Egyptian slavery and adapted to their lifestyle.

Here is a presentation on clean vs unclean foods from a scientific viewpoint, showing from biology why God gave the food laws.

Clean and Unclean / The Whole Truth - Walter Veith - YouTube
 
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After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

He went on, "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' " (The Gospel of St. Mark 7:18-23,NIV)

We are not to choke at a gnat but swallow a camel. What we are to see as truly 'unclean' are those actions, as well as those motivations, which Jesus himself identified as 'unclean.' In that way we can conduct our lives, especially in regard to our interrelationships with those around us, in conformity to Jesus' dictates.
 
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You have to look at that text in the KJV since the other versions renders that text with a certain bias. KJV says "purging all meats" meaning removing the meat from the system and all the other versions says either making all meats clean, or he declared all meats clean, etc. Completely different translation.
 
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Look at the laws in general -- they were about wisdom of living in community and health. Thieves were held accountable, and diseases were contained. The law protected and preserved earthly life. Redemption and repentance protected and saved people for eternal life.

God delivered laws to the people to protect them. The law of Moses should not be scorned -- just not inflated to the point of being used for salvation. Jesus said that even people working harder at the law than the pharisees would still not earn their way -- and these were the religious leaders who kept the law right down to tithing the herbs, probably the ones that grew as weeds in their yards that they could consider valuable for spices.

Still, Jesus used "until the law is fulfilled" as part of the timing He taught.

It is not our goodness that saves us. Draw near to God heart to heart. Think about how He wanted to walk with humans in the garden.

I like to run across Kosher products, because care was taken to hold to certain standards of wellness. They are supposed to be prayed over, and from what I hear, animals are killed so quickly that their muscles do not tense up. Fewer toxins like adrenaline going through their bloodstreams. This is graphic enough... just pointing out that there are reasons for what people do. We can cherish those reasons without being bound by them.
 
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