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Kosher Pirates: Hebrews on the high seas & seeing if MJs should do the same..

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I loved Pirates of the Carribean...but..I must say.... the last one was kinda a let down.
I think Johnny Depp is awesome charater for a pirate.

As for being a Pirate, I think it's the same idea as Robin Hood.
And... I always liked Robin hood. take from the rich and give to the poor.

But my question is...how are you to decide who has too much money or not.... Or...what about if they became rich by working for it honestly...and how are you are to decide if they should keep it or not?

Just thinking, becasue I had the same thoughts about being one myself. :p

Anyway...The group, Anonymous has a new Op called OPRobinhood. I'm not sure how the hackers are going to pull this one off, but they are needing to get thier name clean again since they pulled off the facebook virus..and not too many people were happy with that one.
 
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Easy G (G²);59149435 said:
A good question to ask, IMHO, is whether or not you and I would've done the same if like David.
Exactly, a very good question. I think our pride would have us saying yes, there is no other way to respond. But I think our fear's and inexperience of actually facing physical enemies would need addressing. A few times I would come up against a goliath of a biker and choose not to confront him because, why stare down a locomotive when you can kick back and enjoy a few beers away from that lunatic. But then again, I never really had the 'biker' mentality to confront him.

I noticed it took much ignorance and pride to act like those who will confront any aggression with aggression. Now defending your honor is another thing, but most times I never found the offense to be worthy of offending my honor. They just weren't worth it.

In the end, I have always relied on my relationship with God to lead me through all things. I think this is what made David's acts in the land of the Philistines something to consider, as his relationship with God was Very intimate and personal. Even when he was a Pirate of the P'lishtim.
 
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I loved Pirates of the Carribean...but..I must say.... the last one was kinda a let down.
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Alot of people felt that way in regards to the 4th movie. It seemed that they took the series into an entirely different direction, although it seemed inevitable for that to occur on some level since they did so much in the previous 3. In example, how are you gonna make it out that Jack now faces the most dangerous pirate of all (Blackbeard) when he already took down someone who was essentially immortal (as long as his heart lived) like Davey Jones? Davey Jones could literally rule the oceans, whereas Blackbeard was just dangerous. The previous films had Jack do so much with the supernatural that it seemed like they were stepping down the level of danger by choosing Blackbeard. Don't get me wrong, though, as Blackbeard was cool and I enjoyed the Voodoo aspect of him with his ability to control things....and he was pretty hardcore:) But I think they exaggerated him a bit too much in the initial previews/hype.


All things considered, I actually enjoyed it alot. I loved seeing the relationship between him and Angela (pretty interesting character) and I loved seeing the developments with Barbossa as a privateer for England. I especially enjoyed the new character known as The Spaniard ---the agent sent by Spain to destory the fountain of youth since they felt only God should have the power to give eternal life (and only He can do it flawlessly).


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When he told Blackbeard he was a fool for seeking what only faith can provide, I was thinking "Bout time they brought in Biblical themes into the film!!!" ...and the ways they had the Catholics expressing their faith in God was pretty interesting to me. What he/the Spanish did in the movie by destorying the means of using the Fountain was very powerful in regards to religious themes. For all of those who are Hebrew Catholics and who may actually be Sephardic Hebrew, it may've been a plus:)


The religious themes seemed to spill over even into other aspects of the film, in regards to characters such as Philip the Missionary. I really dug his relationship with the mermaid he ended up falling in love with---and honestly, the Mermaid scenes were probably the ones that were my favorite. Never will see them the same after seeing that film as they were crazy---much of it reminding me of what could've occurred in Genesis when man was mixing with other species. I actually made a thread dedicated to addressing the issue in-depth that came up in Pirates 4 with interspecies dating.....as seen in the thread known as Messianic Mermaid: Of those not fully "human", could they worship Messiah? . If you get the chance to check it out, cool..
I think Johnny Depp is awesome charater for a pirate.
I agree. He actually noted in an interview (from what I recall) that the directors didn't like his portrayal of Jack Sparrow at first and were frustated at his insistence for playing the character as such. But they let him do it--and once they saw it, all fell in love with it.

As for being a Pirate, I think it's the same idea as Robin Hood.

And... I always liked Robin hood. take from the rich and give to the poor.


But my question is...how are you to decide who has too much money or not.... Or...what about if they became rich by working for it honestly...and how are you are to decide if they should keep it or not?


Just thinking, becasue I had the same thoughts about being one myself. :p
I think, with the Robin Hood theme and being pirates, that the decisions of who to rob would be based primarily on seeing not only who was rich....but also who was using their riches in ways that would NOT benefit the poor. For those nobles/upper-class individuals or people of power that were very much philanthropists/using their resources to aid others in need---or secretly funding those who were trying to help others---they'd be left alone. Those who were dismissive of the poor and hateful of them, as well as going out of the way to mistreat them or take the little they have, would be the ones targeted for. Nobles such as the ones just described were plentiful---and to go after all nobles in a non-discriminatory manner would be wrong.

That's much of what Robin Hood did, at least in certain characterizations. If you recalled the film "Robin Hood: Prince of Theives", it showed how the people were being greatly oppressed...and Robin Hood/his men robbed English soldiers and convoys that passed through the forest, then distributed the stolen wealth among the poor. Robin’s successes infuriated the Sheriff, who increased the maltreatment of the people, resulting in more support for Robin Hood. Other wealthy nobles, such as Lady Marian (King Richard's cousin), were know for trying to bring peace to the land/support the people however she could...so she was logically left alone. The Robin Hood mythology is suspected to be related to a noble who turned from his position of power when his family lands were being taken by the crown by force/with no reasonable cause--and he saw other nobles who used their power to harm. Inherent in the theme is that Robin Hood knew who to go after/wasn't non-discriminatory about it. And in many ways, what Robin Hood did was akin to protecting the poor against theives since their land/goods were often taken without warrant by powerful nobles. Robin didn't just rob the rich and give to the poor, but he actually recovered moneys stolen from true subjects of Richard and returned it to them. In the era that Robin Hood was alive in, with Feudalism, it was rough alot of times.


In war, the decisions would be more simple when it came to fighting against armadas with resources you needed to help your own people. As the armada was already dedicated to destroying one group at any costs, the consideration of not stealing from them would be lessened since it became a matter of survival at that point. And like David did when conquering the Amalekites/taking spoils from them when they took all of his family/resources, then it wouldn't be "stealing" as much as it'd be about justice and making certain one takes back from another what doesn't belong to them. If one group came and took all one had (as the Amalekites did) and were already know to be unjust, it seems more simple.

Anyway...The group, Anonymous has a new Op called OPRobinhood. I'm not sure how the hackers are going to pull this one off, but they are needing to get thier name clean again since they pulled off the facebook virus..and not too many people were happy with that one
Thanks for the heads-up. Will definately be on the look out for that....
 
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Exactly, a very good question. I think our pride would have us saying yes, there is no other way to respond. .

For anyone saying all instances require a "yes", indeed, pride can be the root. But in other instances where it's "fight or flight" and there seem to be no options, I can see it as understandable. If you can avoid getting involved in sticky situations in the first place, that's always the best option...


But I think our fear's and inexperience of actually facing physical enemies would need addressing. A few times I would come up against a goliath of a biker and choose not to confront him because, why stare down a locomotive when you can kick back and enjoy a few beers away from that lunatic. But then again, I never really had the 'biker' mentality to confront him.


I noticed it took much ignorance and pride to act like those who will confront any aggression with aggression. Now defending your honor is another thing, but most times I never found the offense to be worthy of offending my honor. They just weren't worth it.


Anytime someone has a thrist for war, they'll always end up in trouble..for violence for its own sake and being unable to think of ways out of conflict where violence may not be necessary will always land one in danger.

Psalm 17:4
Though people tried to bribe me, I have kept myself from the ways of the violent through what your lips have commanded.



Proverbs 3:31
Do not envy the violent or choose any of their ways.

Proverbs 10:6
Blessings crown the head of the righteous, but violence overwhelms the mouth of the wicked.


Proverbs 13:2
From the fruit of their lips people enjoy good things, but the unfaithful have an appetite for violence.
Proverbs 16:29
A violent person entices their neighbor and leads them down a path that is not good


Proverbs 21:7
The violence of the wicked will drag them away, for they refuse to do what is right.

In the end, I have always relied on my relationship with God to lead me through all things. I think this is what made David's acts in the land of the Philistines something to consider, as his relationship with God was Very intimate and personal. Even when he was a Pirate of the P'lishtim
David's violence was a necessary violence--and one where it was not done outside of or apart from his relationship with the Lord. In many situations, he was simply quick thinking--but the violence/piracy had a context/purpose. I'm reminded of what James 3:17-18 /James 3 when it talks about the wisdom that comes from Heaven in comparision with devilish/earthly wisdom.....the latter being the kind behind many of the wars in our world since the mindset is that "might always makes right."


Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

Romans 12:18
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Romans 12:17-19 /Romans 12

Hebrews 12:14
[ Warning and Encouragement ] Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Hebrews 12:13-15 /Hebrews 12
Those who are peacemakers are always the wisest/reflective--though being a peacemaker doesn't mean that war isn't involved at certain points. As I heard one friend tell me once, "sometimes you have to wage war in order to gain a LASTING peace." As Martin Luther King said best:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhwre. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly."
–Dr Martin Luther King, Jr.
"True peace is not merely the absence of tension, it is the presence of Justice."
–Dr Martin Luther King, Jr.

More was discussed on him elsewhere (as seen here in #14 )--and as one of the greatest men who ever lived (IMHO) and one who fought for peace--and yet wasn't one who felt that self-defense wasn't necessary at some point--his example is something I've always tried to keep in mind. I think whenever we're guided in our own relationships with the Lord, things will always be clear--whether that means we fight or flee, be aggressive or be passive.
 
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I think our fear's and inexperience of actually facing physical enemies would need addressing. A few times I would come up against a goliath of a biker and choose not to confront him because, why stare down a locomotive when you can kick back and enjoy a few beers away from that lunatic. But then again, I never really had the 'biker' mentality to confront him.

I've seen similar growing up when it comes to working on the streets with those influenced by gangs....and the same as it concerns those who are bullies. On my side, although avoiding bullies is an option, there are sometimes when you have no other option but to face them directly/do what you can (within reason) to end it. Experiecing it myself growing up, I have very little tolerance for it when I see it with others and I encourage others that they can defend themselves if necessary. If you've ever seen the film entitled "Madea", you'll know what I mean. For a clip:

Hilarious everytime I see it:D
 
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