KJV only debate

[Dikaioo]

exacty.... the preservation of the Word was just as much of a miracle as the inspiration of the Word...

Psa 12:6-7
(6) The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
(7) Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.​

Why would He stop at the "original autographs"?

Inspiration was only with the originals. Preservation continues today in the MSS (manuscripts), uncials, papyri, etc.

 

[Lynn73]

there is no point in going into a debate like this, you cannot find the answer to a debate like this through simplicity, you need to read and understand the Greek and Hebrew texts, and read the foundations for the Bible to understand which is the best, I personally believe the KJV is the best, but I personally think that it is pointless to debate since everyone is basically going to be practically yelling at the versions, not the foundation, If you want answers it is best to read the greek of the KJV and other versions to know what is best

That's great if you know the Greek and Hebrew language which most of us don't.
But regardless, I still believe the KJV is the best also.

 

[pcwilkins]

I use the KJV only because, having done a little research into the underlying Greek texts of the KJV and the new versions, I feel the KJV is the most reliable.

I'm not saying it's perfect though, it still involves the work of man so can't be.

Peter

 

[@@Paul@@]

Inspiration was only with the originals. Preservation continues today in the MSS (manuscripts), uncials, papyri, etc.

Prove it...

 

[Cary.Melvin]

Was the King James Version of the Bible translated into the Common English of the 17th Century? Or in other words, would have it been easy or difficult for a common English person in the 17th century to read the King James Version of the Bible? I have heard places that it was translated into "Elizabethian" English. Was that common English of the day or not?

 

[In Christ Forever]

i read KJV mostly. i understand it better, but when i dont get something in KJV i look in the NIV and it seems to "dumb it down" for me.

The NIV or NKJV is much better than the KJV. Though it was good in it's days, translations have become much more accurate. Just my opinion. {I love the NIV myself by the way, for casual reading}
Look up earth, land, world, ground and Age in a KJV lexicon sometime. A 30% mistranslation of those words in the KJV . These need to be accurately translated to get the meaning of what a new "heaven and earth" is compared to an "old heaven and earth".
This site is very good as far as explaining the greek translation of words, tenses, plural etc.

http://www.site-berea.com/B/rwp/index.html

 

[Gold Dragon]

Was the King James Version of the Bible translated into the Common English of the 17th Century? Or in other words, would have it been easy or difficult for a common English person in the 17th century to read the King James Version of the Bible? I have heard places that it was translated into "Elizabethian" English. Was that common English of the day or not?

As with the origins of most written languages, Elizabethan English was not the language of the common folk but the language of the educated and wealthy "high society" that existed in the time of Queen Elizabeth I (1558 - 1603) when English literature really took off. I would wager that the average peasant in the 17th and 18th century used the KJV and Shakespeare to learn how to read and write English, so eventually it became the common tongue and like most spoken languages, it continually evolves even today.

 

[Moma E]

I have been reading this thread off and on for awhile now. Never planned to post in it. I am no theologian, not a scholar nor am I a historian and my memory is not very good either.

I was not a KJVO until rather recently in my life. After listening to many messages, opinions, comparing versions etc. I became convinced in my own heart and mind that the KJV was the right translation for me.
The bottom line for me is this:

I must believe that the Book I hold in my hand is as Holy as my God, as infallible as my God, as alive as my God. I must believe that my God is powerful enough to inspire and have men write exactly what he wants on the page. If I can not believe this then the Book I hold is worthless and I may as well take scissors to it and cut out the parts I do not like or that I think are interpreted incorrectly.

I belive God heard Tyndales prayer "Open the King of England's eyes." And I believe he honored that prayer.

Anyway this is the reason I am a KJVO today..

I would hope if you are using another translation you trust it completely and believe it is inspired, infallible and Holy Word of God.

God Bless

 

[Gold Dragon]

I would hope if you are using another translation you trust it completely and believe it is inspired, infallible and Holy Word of God.

I'm curious, before you became KJVO, didn't you believe that whatever translation you were using was the inspired and Holy Word of God that you could trust completely?

 

[FranklinNoble]

I believe the KJV is the most accurate English translation of the original Greek and Hebrew text.

I also believe this question is mainly academic. One can certainly find salvation reading just about any modern translation. I think this only becomes an issue amongst serious Bible scholars; all the fundamental believers that I know who are serious students of the Word prefer the KJV primarily because of its accuracy.

I also believe that we lose something with the modern translations. The 17th century English was a much richer language than what we use today, and I think we're poorer for reducing our written communication to the lowest possible intellectual denominator.

 

[Moma E]

I'm curious, before you became KJVO, didn't you believe that whatever translation you were using was the inspired and Holy Word of God that you could trust completely?

Actually, to be perfectly honest, I never really gave it much thought. I have used the Living Bible, when I was first saved. New English, NIV, NAS. The churches I was attending just did not teach or preach about it. ( I have not always been Independent Baptist.) So I honestly just did not have any real conviction. Just thought they were a good translation.

 

[Gold Dragon]

all the fundamental believers that I know who are serious students of the Word prefer the KJV primarily because of its accuracy.

This brings up an interesting question. Is there anyone out there who considers themselves KJVO who wouldn't consider themselves fundamentalist? If so, how did you come to the conviction of being KJVO?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Actually, to be perfectly honest, I never really gave it much thought. I have used the Living Bible, when I was first saved. New English, NIV, NAS. The churches I was attending just did not teach or preach about it. ( I have not always been Independent Baptist.) So I honestly just did not have any real conviction. Just thought they were a good translation.

I assure you that non-KJVO Christians consider the bible to be the inspired and Holy Word of God that is to be trusted completely. Modern translators honestly, prayerfully and humbly try to convert our best understanding of that inspired and Holy Word into language we can understand based on the best information available to them so that we can trust the versions we have.

You are welcome to believe that their work is inaccurrate and that the KJV is a better translation. Everyone has their preferrence for a specific translation and usually it is the one they grew up using, but not always.

My only request to KJVO folks is that you not propogate misinformation about modern translations simply because they disagree in minor ways with your preference of translation. This is not directed at you Moma E.

 

[Adammi]

Most religous debates, IMHO, reap no good, but I think that this one has.
I am apologizing for making some guesses earlier about my opinion witout studying it, for instance, I never knew that different Greek and Hebrew texts were used used for non-KJV. I also never knew knew that the Bible said something about the translation of His word be blessed (I don't remember the exact verse). So I was doubting God and didn't even know it.
I am now a mediocre KJVO, by that I mean that KJV is the best and that everyone should use it and God blessed its translation, however I am not going to condemn somenone for using another.
Praise the LORD!!

 

[@@Paul@@]

Most religous debates, IMHO, reap no good, but I think that this one has.
I am apologizing for making some guesses earlier about my opinion witout studying it, for instance, I never knew that different Greek and Hebrew texts were used used for non-KJV. I also never knew knew that the Bible said something about the translation of His word be blessed (I don't remember the exact verse). So I was doubting God and didn't even know it.
I am now a mediocre KJVO, by that I mean that KJV is the best and that everyone should use it and God blessed its translation, however I am not going to condemn somenone for using another.
Praise the LORD!!

 

[Moma E]

I assure you that non-KJVO Christians consider the bible to be the inspired and Holy Word of God that is to be trusted completely. Modern translators honestly, prayerfully and humbly try to convert our best understanding of that inspired and Holy Word into language we can understand based on the best information available to them so that we can trust the versions we have.

You are welcome to believe that their work is inaccurrate and that the KJV is a better translation. Everyone has their preferrence for a specific translation and usually it is the one they grew up using, but not always.

My only request to KJVO folks is that you not propogate misinformation about modern translations simply because they disagree in minor ways with your preference of translation. This is not directed at you Moma E.

HI Gold Dragon!

Thanks for being gentle with me... this was my first post other than the Barnraising and Fellowship threads. ( I feel safe there)

I am sure that you absolutely believe you are holding an infallible book in your hand when you hold your Bible. As you should. I was more addressing people who seem to think that because man was involved, the translations are not infallible. And some people just seem to think any old translation will do. Since they are all different to some degree or the other which one is correct.? All? I just want people to really believe that WHATEVER translation they use it is PERFECT. For me it is the KJV.

 

[Moma E]

o

 

[daveleau]

^Mod hat on^

Ok, this is mod post 2 in this thread. Any other posts in this thread by another denomination other than Baptist/ Anabaptist will receive a warning. Congregational forums are not places for debate between denominations.

Thank you for your compliance with the forum rules.
daveleau

^Mod hat off^

 

[Blazin4Christ]

That's great if you know the Greek and Hebrew language which most of us don't.
But regardless, I still believe the KJV is the best also.

I agree, but all i'm saying is this is going to be a pointless debate that will eventually get closed until someone who can read Greek and Hebrew can give answers, or better yet you read it yourself

 

[Lynn73]

Not debating, just agreeing with point made by above poster. Yes, the debates to become pointless after awhile it seems.