kingdom of God

[A Brother In Christ]

I was wondering about the kingdom and the church. Are those two the same?

definitely not

yet the church as the bride gets to rule with Christ during the 1000 kingdom

 

[exodus19]

"thy kindom come thy will be done,"

the Kingdom is God's, David, the lion of judah, just comes to gather the sheep into the kingdom,
The church implies a congregation or gathering of people who are likened to a community of peope who share equally in the same vision and beliefs.
kind of like a cult, except the cult of David-jesus-comforter is based on Truth and righteousness and not, some whimsical freedom land of liberalism..remember the kingdom of jerusalem , the city of David , the walled village was God's kingdom on earth

so now you can kind of get the picture in perspective in comparison, to the giant size 7 billion people world.

and there shall be a remnant taken that shall escape from the grip of the beast and shall not be defiled with them ie women and they shall be the make up of the kingdom.

the vision of new jersulem is not the world.

don't want you to to think in mythological patterns , seems like you like this thinking.

exodus.19


think pragmatically, think simply and here plain words.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

No the church and the nation of Israel are differnt

and every group has failed though God still choses to save some

Kingdom is for all Law believers...when they go into the kingdom they are glorified and are part of the world government since they have already went thru judgement yet they have children and they get to make their own choice

the church is the bride and during the tribulation the church gets married and the gets to rule with Christ in the heavens

 

[Angel of God]

There are verses in the New Testament that say 'the kingdom of God is come near' or 'the kingdom of God is within you' and 'there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom'. I get confused when I read these verses and hear people teach of a future kingdom. Any replies welcome.

The kingdom of God will be material when Christ will return,
it will be as..our governments.....
Probably the word "Kingdom of God" is for this........
What can mean 1000 years of kingdom...?....
Probably the Apostles with a Grace like S.John will live 1000 years
in the new Creation(can be a new life in new planets with a new food
and new animals......).............

 

[FthHpLv]

What about when people say Jesus will sit on David's throne [during the millennium, I guess]? Acts 2:29-33 says:
"...let me speak freely of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne, he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ...This Jesus God has raised up...Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God...". And 1 Cor. 15:20-25 says, "But now Christ is risen from the dead...Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet."
So, right now He is reigning and there is a kingdom. Agree or disagree?

 

[exodus19]

What about when people say Jesus will sit on David's throne [during the millennium, I guess]? Acts 2:29-33 says:
"...let me speak freely of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne, he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ...This Jesus God has raised up...Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God...". And 1 Cor. 15:20-25 says, "But now Christ is risen from the dead...Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet."
So, right now He is reigning and there is a kingdom. Agree or disagree?

God always reigns though power may sway in like the devil or evil kings rule the masses. foremerly written into the OTas the waters, the sea, the fishes, the earth, the land the netherlands. the deserts, the lands outside of Zion or Jerusalem , Israel is where evil sits and controls.

Now this section of Acts is very important, spoken of by Peter at an address to many who were ready to hear, and many were confirmed from this address as in ready announcing their profession of faith to Jesus as the prophetic son that David spoke of.

now hearing these quotes from psalms we know that David has another time in which he too is promised the Kingdom but was told to sit at the right hand of God until God directed him to act on His behalf.,

That is what is implied to be at someones right hand and ready.

now i want you to hear me hear so as to not be over come with doubt but this tabernacle as it is written in the KJV is that promised to the children that must be sacrificed to atone for all the sins and be the replacement lamb with the name of Yeshua attached to it hence when one calls upon the name Yeshua or as we have Jesus the name is equal to calling on the name of God, now we hear that by begging God to be forgiven for our sins past , we might embrace that which He has called us to do and that is follow in the footsteps of His sent son who was without blemish and set the standard for all to live.

Now if you take on the vow of being born again that is to say you are agreeing to walk in christ as he too walked without sin then by faith unto good works are you saved and not by faith alone but through your faith comes the grace of God which is righteousness and holiness of Spirit in Oneness with Him,

Hence let the guide and love of God first be your guide and by planting the seed of love of God in your forehead , which is to say mind are you made whole or white and receiver of the "new spirit" as written and promised you by and through your faith which is recieved b/c with patience have you longsufferd the arrival of the son.

This i say to you that the confirming of your faith is that you live unto righteous acts hence the converting of the spirit unto perfection is the result of one who lives not by faith alone but walks upright in holiness unto God.

This transformation is the true born again spirit and whence some one has thus recieved all thing s become manifest to him/her and that person will no longer sin having the Holy Spirit as guide and will speak as one with perfect Wisdom and know that they have attained to the victory over death while walking as one with God.

such times and days are coming and are fullfilled in the coming of New Zion.

all glories be to Our Father who finds pleasure in the life of His own who know Him and live and walk by faith. That is the true spirit of joy and bliss experienced by a liberated soul.

peace over.

teh enemies that are put under the feet of the son are all the evil and devils of the world as with Jesus so with the David as promised by God and seen by John revealled in a vision and written in days past for the days ahead

ref Ref 22:16 " i am the root ( soul) and offsrpring, ie new plant or body of David , the light and morning star.

this address confirmed with the verses in rev ch 5:5 and all the correlations of the character to come as written in the OT can only be one person.

therefore to determine the false from the true ones who make claims out of visions or dreams or signs and many can mistake themselves for what they have heard or seen but there can only be one not two.
why b/c of all the confirming points and characteristics that are written to prove him.

God does not leave any doubt as to who is and who isn't going to walk in the promised land.

so gather ye the angels and saints of God our Loving Father is with you as He is with me, He shall make all things new as is His promise so shall it be.

find peace within first, for the Holy Spirit is there waiting for you to turn in 100% faith and He will open himself to you , be prepared to accept and see signs for many have allready come and yet many more will come again.

 

[FthHpLv]

now hearing these quotes from psalms we know that David has another time in which he too is promised the Kingdom but was told to sit at the right hand of God until God directed him to act on His behalf.,

That is what is implied to be at someones right hand and ready.

which verses say that?

 

[FthHpLv]

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[craig_on_fire]

There are verses in the New Testament that say 'the kingdom of God is come near' or 'the kingdom of God is within you' and 'there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom'. I get confused when I read these verses and hear people teach of a future kingdom. Any replies welcome.

The Kingdom of God/Heaven is best understood as the KINGSHIP, or sovereign and saving rule of Israel's God YHWH.

"Jesus announcing the Kingdom of God is actually saying that YHWH is finally going to become King in the way he intended . His call for people to 'enter' the Kingdom was a way of calling his hearers to an allegiance to himself and his programmer, seen as the start of God's long-awaited saving reign.

The Kingdom was coming in stages, and just a singular moment. His public minstry, death and resurrection and then the future appearance were and are all stages to this."

When Jesus says that the Kingdom/Kingship is near, he is stating that God will soon be crowned King. When/where does this coronation happen? It happens on a Friday morning on a blood-splattered cross between two vigilantes/criminals with a sign posted above his head as a mockery, but ironically stating the truth.

No doubt some of Jesus hearers to this message would have watched him die, watched God's saving act and crowning glory come to pass with the death of a young prophet from Nazareth who turned the 1st Century palestinian world upside down by his subvervise teaching and radical Kingdom movement that saw him decide that in fact he was the one whom God had chosen to become King.

 

[FthHpLv]

The Kingdom of God/Heaven is best understood as the KINGSHIP, or sovereign and saving rule of Israel's God YHWH.

"Jesus announcing the Kingdom of God is actually saying that YHWH is finally going to become King in the way he intended . His call for people to 'enter' the Kingdom was a way of calling his hearers to an allegiance to himself and his programmer, seen as the start of God's long-awaited saving reign.

The Kingdom was coming in stages, and just a singular moment. His public minstry, death and resurrection and then the future appearance were and are all stages to this."

When Jesus says that the Kingdom/Kingship is near, he is stating that God will soon be crowned King. When/where does this coronation happen? It happens on a Friday morning on a blood-splattered cross between two vigilantes/criminals with a sign posted above his head as a mockery, but ironically stating the truth.

No doubt some of Jesus hearers to this message would have watched him die, watched God's saving act and crowning glory come to pass with the death of a young prophet from Nazareth who turned the 1st Century palestinian world upside down by his subvervise teaching and radical Kingdom movement that saw him decide that in fact he was the one whom God had chosen to become King.

Thank you Craig. Can you please answer my other question? It's about Jesus being on David's throne. Do you believe this will be literal, later on in the future? The verse I quoted in Acts 2 (says God had sworn with an oath to him [David] that of the fruit of his body He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, he, forseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ). What do you think?

 

[exodus19]

Thank you Craig. Can you please answer my other question? It's about Jesus being on David's throne. Do you believe this will be literal, later on in the future? The verse I quoted in Acts 2 (says God had sworn with an oath to him [David] that of the fruit of his body He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, he, forseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ). What do you think?

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT VERSE HERE SPOKEN BY PETER, THIS WHOLE CHAPTER IS MOST RELEVENT.

from the fruit of his body he would raised up the "anointed" which implies messiah, or sent son to hie throne b/c that throne was meant to his replacement.

now when you go back into the OT tect you find David infereing his own son as in Solomon who was this son.

but remember what Jesus said," one greatrer than Solomon is here"

who was greater than Solomon of that day.?

answer______ DAVID.

now when you read with all the correlations and verses to refer the points you will understand the fruit of the loing of David id the same as the offspring of David as when a root delivers a new body or flower eanch spring it comes from the same source every year, so technically the root doesn't die but sleeps and there is another similar plant and flower.

Now your OT has it said and "there shall be a plant of reknown" that shall come and who is the reference?

answer ______DAVID.

and Jesus says " i am the root and offspring of David, the bright and morning star," all this is subject to verses written in the OT and confirms David who was the promised Messiah and Prince of peace.

so who was Jesus really, and who still is this messiah today?

"the same yesterday, today and tomorrow."

" lo behold i come in the volume of the book , for it is written about me" " i am the beginning , middle and end, and you will know me, not by what i have said but the scripture confirms me.

" i come like a thief in the night"

very quickly and appear before all as like on of you and looking for the angels the trumpets are blown sounding the end days are upon us.

too much?

or are any of you hearing.?

 

[A Brother In Christ]

" i come like a thief in the night"

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does anyone know when a thief comes?

this is very strong proof that shows -- pretrib

if mid-trib one could break it down ..and the same with post trib
since it is 7 years long

one needs to look forward to the rapture as if it could happen today as Paul believed

 

[Rafael]

There is the spiritual kingdom where we are already with Jesus hidden in Him at the right hand of the Father (Col.3), and then there is the physical kingdom that has yet to be manifested; where the Saints rule and reign with Jesus for a 1000 years (Rev. 20:6). Yes there will be a new heavens and earth, spiritual and physical, as there will always be the physical manifestation of God in Jesus where we can enjoy fellowship with Him in our new bodies, called mansions in comparison to the temporary tents we now inhabit for bodies. These physical "mansions" that we finally inhabit are fit for eternity. If we were only going to be spiritual beings, there would be need for the physical body or the physical earth, I would suppose, but God did not mention just a new heavens, but also a new earth. God uses the physical and it obviously pleases Him to do so, as we see so much beauty in the physical world He has created.

 

[exodus19]

There is the spiritual kingdom where we are already with Jesus hidden in Him at the right hand of the Father (Col.3), and then there is the physical kingdom that has yet to be manifested; where the Saints rule and reign with Jesus for a 1000 years (Rev. 20:6). Yes there will be a new heavens and earth, spiritual and physical, as there will always be the physical manifestation of God in Jesus where we can enjoy fellowship with Him in our new bodies, called mansions in comparison to the temporary tents we now inhabit for bodies. These physical "mansions" that we finally inhabit are fit for eternity. If we were only going to be spiritual beings, there would be need for the physical body or the physical earth, I would suppose, but God did not mention just a new heavens, but also a new earth. God uses the physical and it obviously pleases Him to do so, as we see so much beauty in the physical world He has created.

this is correct and relevent to understand.
God is not just pie in the sky.

The big false doctrine, coming from the pulpit today is, ""believe in Jesus, with faith, and in a repentent way, even though you will be a sinner you whole life"" this implies , live your live in sin and ""when you die there is judgement, wherein you go to heaven or hell. All who believe with faith go th heaven all who die as non believers, or non accepters of Jesus go to hell eternally."

Now this is the expression, coming from the Gove, sanctioned PHD, boys and unless you minister to your congregation like this, you are not qualified nor permitted to stand on the pulpit.
There are two things that you cannot do on the Pulpit and one is " you cannot rag on your Gove, in front of the assembly, that is one of the main reasons a not accredited PHD cannot stand there as he has not taken the oath of nots, not to say this and that while there.
So essentially the PHD, boys are puppets in the hands of lawyers, and currently what you see on TV are puppets being told these are the deeply religious men of our day as when the president speaks and acknowleges something all the Gove employees, 200,000,000 or so tax paying labourers for the Gove.
AFTER ALL THAT'S WHO YOU TRULY WORK FOR, WHEN YOU ADMIT IT, giving atleast 3 if not 4 days of your time to them.
ok, some of you cheat, or all of you cheat, oh well ok all of you have cheated at one time or another, and when the Gove boys decide it's your time to discovered, you can be sure in some way they can uncover the cheat, lie or misrepresentation you have made.
i personally don't know anybody who hasn't cheated on their taxes in some way.
But having said that it's b/c when you are led by corrupt kings, evil dings who themsleves lie and cheat then they too bread like minded corruption.

So this character can never become the kingdom of God.
Similarily not can these evil type kings ever establish pwace. It's impossible, b/c though they are set up by God, as the Kings of the OT, they were set up to show who the Holy Prophets were and what type of personalities live in and rule in righteousness.
A righteous King or president , cannot advocate freedom of religion.
It is the same as saming their are as many gods as you want or can imagine.
This is exactly what the rulers of heathen cultures and pagan cultures of Baal and Baalim promoted.

We don't care who your God is as long as you give us your labour. The same with the pharoah or the other gods of so called strangers even aliens they were called, hence the word Niphilim.
Also in the early parts of the Bible you had mention of the giants, these types of personalities are likewise metnioned in the history of the Hindu cultures. The northern indian tribes were Rajistani's of giants, like very tall men compared to the typical short statured indian man.
But names like giants and the wordhipped weird gods of wood carved from trees to remind them of personalities in the past and the stories grew into the fables and all kinds of mythology evolved from their history writers of baals, ballims, Queens of heaven as in Durga, goddesses of love, knowlege, even money called 'Laksmi'.

All these god and more where what was prevelent aroun the 'mesopatamia region thousands of years ago, when Moses firsrt appeareda and later King David then Jesus , you three main characters of the Bible.

So when time comes to be born again and live in the heavens it is not only accom[anied at death, but it comes with living and living in God's embrace with all His Hosts, ie army, angels, witnesses and those who chose to live with Him and never depart from the eternal kingdom.

it's not difficult it's actually much easier to sive according to God than according to the ' Evil Kings' and presidents who put so much much poressure on performance and credablity of your bank account which is falsey based on your ability to never stop working for 40 or so YEARS STRAIGHT AS A DONKEY, OR CAMEL FOR THEM, OR RISK THE CHANCE OF LOOKING LIKE A LOOSER IF AT ANY TIME YOU FAIL THERE DEMANDS AS THEY ARE LIKE DICTATED TO YOU FROM THE HEAD DOWN.
A VERY FINALLY DISGUISED COMMUNISM IN THE LIBERAL WAYS OF DEMOCRACCY ALL THE WHILE YOU DOG FOR THEM AND THE FALSE CARROT OF GOING BACK TO GOD..........................ALL YOU NEEEEEEEEEED IS FAITH.

ya , sure buddy, that lie has gone on so long now look where you are. Let's see another bomb or two.

REALLY GOD'S PLAN FOR PEACE.

THAT IS THE ROADMAP TO HELL , HELL , AND HELL ONLY.

ACCORDING TO THE TEXT.

So where is the Kingdom?, seek first the Holy Spirit, ie the Kingdom of God inside, and all else will come to you, including the kingdom.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

REALLY GOD'S PLAN FOR PEACE.

THAT IS THE ROADMAP TO HELL , HELL , AND HELL ONLY.

ACCORDING TO THE TEXT.

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luke 12:51 suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, No but rather division.

peace comes after Christ takes out all unbelievers ... till that day

we can have peace in the spirit

 

[exodus19]

luke 12:51 suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, No but rather division.

peace comes after Christ takes out all unbelievers ... till that day

we can have peace in the spirit

that's not so, there is no peace in the spirit unless you know what is the Holy Spirit 's desire. since their are no leaders who propperly advocate fro God's will then there is no peace in the spirit, but only hope or patience with faith.

This is getting all too busy to rehash the same ole thing.
i find it amazing what so many of you have come to believe and think, it gets so redundant to here the wrong understanding that you really do test the patience level.

A pig can live as though he has peace and so can a married couple, or so can one with millions of dollars, but such peace is built up with false walls and that peace is likened to a house built of untempored mortar, as it is written in the OT.
A child may appear to be in peace in the arms of it's mother, but what is a temporary peace when the end is filled with pain.

i see to many of you fallen for so many literal conceptions that the only way to clarity is from the basic understanding of what and who you are and what is your true make up.

first and foremost you are eternal souls, spiritual in nature, and belong to an eternal kingdom and not the physical one that all your bodily concepts are based on.

So hell and the hell you live in has first to be understood. It is a burning fire, an all consuming fire and will not go out and is fed by the fuel of lust which is put forth but the sons of Satan and the Devil who have their reps in the positions of power.

first things first, understand the basics as to why all the suffering and then you will be able to understand the teachings of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit speaks in a language heard only by those 'in the spirit'.

There is no possibility for peace for one in carnal conscience,who sees things according to the flesh.

 

[webbiest]

the bible is too confusing to read directly and understand except the holy spirit explains to you as you read it is impossible to understand

 

[exodus19]

the bible is too confusing to read directly and understand except the holy spirit explains to you as you read it is impossible to understand

i do not undertand your post.
are you saying the Bible cannot be understood?

well , that is true of course if you remain in carnal consceince.

but what does the Holy Spirit promise?

that the son will come and restore all things , that is bring in the light and life of the Spirit b/c he is anointed (implies christ) and given the Word and speaks to the elect or sheep who hear him.

Otherwise what are we doing here in eschatology it this is not true/

He will put a 'new spirit' in you, should you be willing to recieve it, the same is the 'white stone' mentioned in Rev ch 2: 17, the hidden manna and the same is the white garment or new dress, which is the clean spirit or white spirit.

Remember the words of jesus as he said about putting new wine in a clean vessel, and not an old Bottle.'

then the same applies, you must overcome sin action and be willing and ready to walk in the newness of the Holy Spirit, which is to say 'born again' taking birth in the Spirit. Remember what jesus said to nicodemus about being born again, it was not a physical thing but one that transpired with the heart and mind.

Agree, everything i said perfect, or have you decided i'm still out trolling.

as i kid i did lots of trolling in the ottawa river in fron of my house but the fish i caught i did eat, unlike today i troll for men.

how about you, is my bait not yet good enough.?

 

[jeffweeder]

hello ex 19.
I thought that was a very good post. I felt i could understand you a bit better that time. It is a frustrating thing when one is misunderstood ,and i think it happens a lot on this forum. May God get the glory in the end , and may the Holy Spirit be giyen room to breathe.

 

[exodus19]

hello ex 19.
I thought that was a very good post. I felt i could understand you a bit better that time. It is a frustrating thing when one is misunderstood ,and i think it happens a lot on this forum. May God get the glory in the end , and may the Holy Spirit be giyen room to breathe.

oh ok, thanks jeff,
i see perhaps that many propbably get bits and pieces of what i say.
i notice over time it gets people to read and pay more attention as to what the Prophets wrote.

There is something to be said about repetition ' the mother of learning'. in one sense that's my only hope, you will not ever hear me, unless i simply repeat the Text as it is meant to be heard in simple contemporary English.

Too much emphasis is put on the supernatural, that is the fundamental problem with most christians, having heard from the false priest and prophetic expressions that THEY HAVE REPEATED over the lifetimes. LIES IN DISGUISE, SET UP BY KING EVIL AND HIS REPRESENTATIVES, even to the deciving of the very ELECT as it is written.
Many of faith will not be able to hear the Truth, b/c they are too far gone in this world of sinlife and will not reliquish there attachments to financial and physical comforts preferring to say i can live in luxury and have God too. This is the current mentalility of the christian faith and is expanding all over the world like this.

They tactfully estract verses from the Text to control the minds of the wealthy and use their wealth to support their expressions of TRUST AND BELIEF ALL THE WHILE THEY ARE BOMBING,BOMBING, BOMBING FOR PEACE.

where is that in God 's plan lest it be on the side of the false prophets.

If YOU ARE NOT WITH ON THIS POINT THEN YOU ARE AGAINST ME AND AGAINST ME IS AGAINST GOD, AND HIS WORD.

The war is not with guns, nor protesting nor fighting to gain hold of the government.
It is about seeing the promise of God fulfilled and there is a remnant that gathers, NOT THE WORLD AS IN 7 BILLION WILL BECOME MORAL , FORGET THAT GARBAGE, IMPOSSIBLE AND NOT SCRIPTURE.

look at my disclaimer on my web site www.friendsoftheholyspirit.org

there you will hear that you must stay balanced and not fall off the deep end, b/c the days are at hand.

Like my great grandfathers cross?

it was re-installed on the Ottawa River in front of my house in 2004 after being on the roadside up the street from 1904-2004.
The installment was done on June 24, the so called birth day of John the Baptist.
it is a very peaceful place, the backdrop is a natural rock garden where i grew up as a kid.
i will be there this summer, Perrot island that is, quebec Canada, the home of Sonrisebandb and a wonderful place to hang out.

no it's not the promised land, but it's preserved by God for a reason, much like the mountain retreat, for time away. For now i call it my studio.
i have a tree on the property called "Sabbath" she is a 'chinese elm' and from her trunk spawns 7 branches that cause her to look like a living menorah. It's really a neet thing to see or even sit in and look out over the river in the early morning while taking in the Holy Spirit.

enough here.