kingdom of God

[FthHpLv]

There are verses in the New Testament that say 'the kingdom of God is come near' or 'the kingdom of God is within you' and 'there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom'. I get confused when I read these verses and hear people teach of a future kingdom. Any replies welcome.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

There are verses in the New Testament that say 'the kingdom of God is come near' or 'the kingdom of God is within you' and 'there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom'. I get confused when I read these verses and hear people teach of a future kingdom. Any replies welcome.

kingdom of God ..is the realm of salvation
Kingdom of the Heavens ... is the 1000 yr reign

simple way of explaining it.

"there be some standing which shall not taste of death"
this is That the Lords coming is close at hand ..at arms length.. can happen at any time and you might not see death... But if you do not 2 cor 5:8

 

[Soon Rev 22:11-12]

There is a throne of grace and a throne of glory. There is a kingdom of grace and a kingdom of glory.

The Kingdoms of Grace and Glory

Give the promise which our Saviour made to the "little flock."​

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." Luke 12:32.

To what throne are we exhorted to come to find mercy?
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:16.

To what other kingdom do the Scriptures call our attention?
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory." Matthew 25:31.

By what are men saved from sin?
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8. See (Romans 6:23).

In the parable of the wheat and tares, what does the good seed represent?
"The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;" Matthew 13:38.

Who sows the tares?
"The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels." Matthew 13:39.

To whom did God entrust His kingdom?
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26.

When Christ sent out His disciples, what did He tell them to preach?
"And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick." Luke 9:2.

In carrying out their commission, what did they preach?
"And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where." Luke 9:6.

After the loss of the first kingdom, what promise did God make to Israel, if they would obey Him?
"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Exodus 19:5,6.

After the children of Israel were settled in Canaan, what did they request of Samuel the prophet?
"And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations." 1 Samuel 8:5.

Upon taking the matter to God, what instruction did Samuel receive?
"And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them." 1 Samuel 8:7.

Notwithstanding the perverseness of Israel, what did the lord promise to David their king?
"Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah." Psalms 89:4.

Through whom was the throne of David to be perpetuated?
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." Isaiah 9:6,7.

Who is this seed of David, the heir to his throne?
"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David." Luke 1:31,32.

While the kingdom was still held by the Jewish kings, what prediction was made concerning the kingdom?
"And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high." Ezekiel 21:25,26.

After the crown was taken from the Jewish king, and that kingdom had become tributary to the Babylonians, what more was predicted concerning it?
"I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him." Ezekiel 21:27.

Christ did not take that throne when on earth. Did He assume it when. ascending to heaven, or did He occupy the Father's throne, with Him?
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Revelation 3:21.

What is He doing at the Father's right hand?
"A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." Psalms 110:1.
"The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek." Psalms 110:4. See (Hebrews 10:12,13.)


When His priestly work is finished, what will Christ do?
"Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." 1 Corinthians 15:24.

When He comes to earth, on whose throne will He sit?
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory." Matthew 25:31. See (Revelation 11:15).

Then what will He say to the redeemed?
"Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Matt. 25:34.

How will the saints appear after reaching that kingdom?
"Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 13:43.

 

[ross3421]

kingdom of God ..is the realm of salvation
Kingdom of the Heavens ... is the 1000 yr reign

simple way of explaining it.

Simple but wrong.

The kingdom of God is an eternal literal kingdom on a literal new earth which will you and I will live literally forever.

The kingdom of Heaven is the kingdom of God but currently were it states in the heavens.

"there be some standing which shall not taste of death"
this is That the Lords coming is close at hand ..at arms length.. can happen at any time and you might not see death... But if you do not 2 cor 5:8

Please quote the whole verse and be honest....


Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mark.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Simple but wrong.

The kingdom of God is an eternal literal kingdom on a literal new earth which will you and I will live literally forever.

The kingdom of Heaven is the kingdom of God but currently were it states in the heavens.

word study please...

Kingdom of God

Luke 17:20 ..the kingdom of God cometh not with observation [John 3:8] 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

kingdom of heavens ..has matt 13:25 wheat and tares... both believer and unbelievers defined matt 13:38

not my words but defined with scripture

Please quote the whole verse and be honest....


Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mark.

honest
2 cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present facing the Lord.

beautiful promise...

 

[Soon Rev 22:11-12]

There is a present Kingdom of Grace.
There is a future Kingdom of Glory.
There are no contradictions. See my above post.

 

[OhhJim]

I figure that Jesus came to the Jews, to offer to set up His kingdom, as was promised in the OT. When they rejected Him, the kingdom was put on hold until Jesus comes back to reign for 1,000 years.

Paul told us to obey earthly governments. Does a king tell his subjects to obey other kings?

 

[ikester]

There are verses in the New Testament that say 'the kingdom of God is come near' or 'the kingdom of God is within you' and 'there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom'. I get confused when I read these verses and hear people teach of a future kingdom. Any replies welcome.

actually Peter..James...John..witnessed the transfiguration of Jesus in the next chapter....

 

[Justme]

Hi FthHpLv,

You got a quite an array of aanswers there. I throw out some more verses for you to ponder.

These would seem to indicate that the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are the same thing.

Matthew 11
11I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Luke 28
28I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."

The prediction of the ones to not taste death until they saw the coming of the son in His Kingdom is the same as :

Mark 9
1And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."

So what these people saw was the transfiguration. In other words the transfiguration was the display to those standing there who did not not taste death til they saw the coming of the son in His kingdom. That is what the coming of the kingdom would look like apparently.

But you'll know it when you see it.

Justme

 

[ross3421]

Luke 17:20 ..the kingdom of God cometh not with observation [John 3:8] 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

There is a literal kingdom do you agree? So obviously the literal kingdom is not inside you...... what is inside those which are born again? the Holy Sprit which embodies the kingdom.

kingdom of heavens ..has matt 13:25 wheat and tares... both believer and unbelievers defined matt 13:38

Let's take a closer look.....


"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in is field".

Your assumption the the kingdom of heaven equates with the field i.e the world is incorrect.

What does a man get when he sows good seeds in a field? A harvest of wheat which is gathered into the barn. Now after the harvest and gathering in which God will perform where then is the wheat stored until use? In heaven. i.e the barn is representative of this place.

The kingdom of heaven contains the results of these good seeds which will be stored until a later time when this literal kingdom is on earth.

honest
2 cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present facing the Lord.

beautiful promise...

Paul also says this........

"thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened except it dies".

Boy that sure does tie in nicely......


Mark.

 

[FthHpLv]

I figure that Jesus came to the Jews, to offer to set up His kingdom, as was promised in the OT. When they rejected Him, the kingdom was put on hold until Jesus comes back to reign for 1,000 years.

But it was written that He would be rejected. Would that hinder His plans? He built the church. Are those two not the same?

 

[exodus19]

be not fooled the kingdom of heaven is on earth as it is in the Spirit of perfect harmony.

the walled village of jerusalem was at one time the heavenly character but hey continually fell to failing to follow through with the appropriate practice of animal sacrifices and their hands were filled with the blood of sacrifices and they could not longer save anyone since they were contaminated.
hence the prophecy of a better sacrifice in jesus removed the old ways and needs to kill animals, for atonement.
but the promise was again as jesus repeated for another return as he even said in luke a 2cd or eve 3 rd return shall i come again and restore all things and of course the olivet discourse which essentially is the promise of the kingdom in a literal way on earth.

hence you have revelation and the vision which confirms and is concluded by the white throne judgement and _____at which time the vision of 'new jerusalem' is unfolded and the details of the walled village again on earth as written in ch 21 is fulfilled.

got it ????????????????????

it first takes messiah, the comforter and then all the angels and saints who are also present to make it all happen.

revelation is about the family of God not just one person, however it takes the first raised from the dead as jesus confirms in rev 3:21 " i, too had to vercome" which proves that the son comes eating and drinking as gluttonous as he said , but Wisdom shall pove him and the dead shall rise with him.

Wisdom is the pac 10 their guys, for she stands at all the gates as written in proverbs 8:1,2 3.

first get Wisdom and then you shall have opportunity for the favouf of God,

You must first seek Wisdom and when you find Her, then all else comes.

Now who is this Wisdom?

read carefully Proverbs ch 8 , in it's entirety and concludes in 8:35 " find Wisdom and you will have eternal life"


still think i don't know my stuff.

try again!

you can't ignore God, God is the Word and the Word is Perfect and Truth.

seek Wisdom, that is the purport of Rev ch 2 and 3 and you will find me too.

at the end of it and then continue to read and hear that without the son nothing can go on NOTHING.

PEACE guys

If you want argue with me you will be debating God, i have no answers , this francis knows niothing ecsept it come from God and it is given freely to me first and then you too will be privy and as i stay here and repeat some of you will eventually GET IT.

see you all later, that's a promise.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

There is a literal kingdom do you agree? So obviously the literal kingdom is not inside you...... what is inside those which are born again? the Holy Sprit which embodies the kingdom.



Let's take a closer look.....


"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in is field".

Your assumption the the kingdom of heaven equates with the field i.e the world is incorrect.....

so you argue with scripture...
Matt 13:38 the field is the world...

What does a man get when he sows good seeds in a field? A harvest of wheat which is gathered into the barn. Now after the harvest and gathering in which God will perform where then is the wheat stored until use? In heaven. i.e the barn is representative of this place.

The kingdom of heaven contains the results of these good seeds which will be stored until a later time when this literal kingdom is on earth.





Paul also says this........

"thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened except it dies".

Boy that sure does tie in nicely......


Mark.

verse please...??

 

[ross3421]

verse please...??

I Cor. 15:36

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Your assumption the the kingdom of heaven equates with the field i.e the world is incorrect.

so why do you argue with scripture... Matt 13:38 states this...

thanks for the verse ..I do not understand were you are going thou

 

[son]

John 3

Those who understand this understand God's word

 

[FthHpLv]

But it was written that He would be rejected. Would that hinder His plans? He built the church. Are those two not the same?

Anyone?

 

[A Brother In Christ]

No the church and the nation of Israel are differnt

and every group has failed though God still choses to save some

 

[FthHpLv]

No the church and the nation of Israel are differnt

and every group has failed though God still choses to save some

I was wondering about the kingdom and the church. Are those two the same?

 

[OhhJim]

But it was written that He would be rejected. Would that hinder His plans? He built the church. Are those two not the same?

Which two? The church and the kingdom? They are the same?

Like I say, I just figured the church is His interim plan for dealing with mankind, because Israel rejected Him. Yes, He knew it would happen, but He had to make the offer.