Kerry

[docholiday]

Fortunately, God is a lot smarter than you and therefore, doesn't judge people and how Christian they are due to preconceived notions about the political parties for whom they vote. The only one not acting very Christian here is you.

I've come up with a corollary during this divisive political season: whenever someone must defend their point of view through divisive, hateful political rhetoric either has bad arguments for their point of view or none at all. I think that applies here.
Ringo

How can you defend a view like yours?? huh by saying that God cares more that i'm being rude than of the millions of babies murdered? or the removal or him from school?? point the finger at me all you want but the fact of matter is Your party supports things directly in violation of GOD'S principles If you can biblically argue that that do it.. But do point the finger at me cause you hear something you don't like. If you can bring you a VALID point let me know other wise go and lie somemore about how think doesn't matter .... God accepts it

 

[Ringo84]

Trying to provoke me into an argument isn't going to work. I already told you that neither party has a monopoly on virtue and morals. God wouldn't be happy with some of the things either party does sometimes. And that's my final word.
Ringo

 

[carrymeaway06]

Trying to provoke me into an argument isn't going to work. I already told you that neither party has a monopoly on virtue and morals. God wouldn't be happy with some of the things either party does sometimes. And that's my final word.
Ringo

I am republican by values... but with politicians, the lines are blurred. There's not much difference because right wing is a little centered and left wing is a little centered. So, we ultimately have one party with serious problems getting along.

 

[Nexproverum]

Wow thats pretty funny, trying not to put Liberals in one catagory. What I say is if you dont want people attacking you for what the party you support and give power to, supports openly. Then dont cry and complain. Because you choose to support that party, therefore you support what they support.

And there is no way to take Kerrys words, differently then what they are, which is he thinks the U.S military is a bunch of morons.

Golly, lets just giv dem dumys guns and let dem just go on shooten some peoples.
-Because I guess a moron can work in the most advanced military in the world.

"The worst idiots are Educated ones"

 

[Ringo84]

I'm not crying and complaining. I'm speaking out against people's muddle-headed biases and generalizations. I have always made distinctions between House/Senate/White House Republicans, with whom I have a big problem, and average Joe and Joanna Republican, with whom I don't have a problem. That's common courtesy. It wouldn't be fair to blame average people who vote Republican for the misdeeds of other people. I can't understand why people can't show me the same courtesy.

The fact is: generalizations make you look more stupid than the people you are generalizing about. People who don't have good arguments for their point of view are the type of people who generalize about the political foes and write outrageous hype about them.

And FYI, I never said that I supported what Kerry said. If you had taken a moment to read what I wrote previously rather than just writing a biased post, you would have known that. I'm not the one with the problem here. It seems to me that the people who are content with their political biases have the problem.
Ringo

 

[docholiday]

If you mean generalization to be making a judgement about someone based on what he supports you better put Jesus and all the 12 on trial cause they did the same thing . Believes should be DOERS of the word which also means not just being pacifistic when peoples GOD give rights are being trampled. 2 John 9-11 explains how god feels about people pacifistic sit back and let evil prevail !!!once again you can use big words and WORLDLY philosophy all you want but you have yet to use anything biblical to prove a point. oh and FYI I do not think repulicans are perfect ... VERY far from IT but as a party there are the lesser of Evils in the since that they do NOT openly indorse things like abortion Homo rights Removal of God from the public!! If you can't admit that then you are blinded by personal opinion and not lead by Godly principle!

 

[Ringo84]

If you mean generalization to be making a judgement about someone based on what he supports

No, I mean generalization as in saying that the beliefs and actions of one Democrat means that all liberals believe and act that way. You don't seem to understand that.

you can use big words and worldly wisdom

There's nothing worldly about it. Common sense. You are placing Democrats in one category as though they all think alike. That's bad logic.

If you can't admit that then you are blinded by personal opinion and not lead by Godly principle!

I'm blinded by personal opinion? If that's not a classic case of projection, I don't know what is.
Ringo

 

[carrymeaway06]

This topic shouldn't have turned into a debate about political parties. It's about Kerry. Not about democrats, but simply Kerry.

The man screwed up... he doesn't like war and he doesn't support our soldiers, it was bound to happen. Take the party bashing elsewhere, say, a political debate thread.

 

[docholiday]

Ringo you really should actually read my post I wasnt saying every democrat thanks like kerry .. i was saying that the PARTY let me say that again the PARTY HEADS UP the abortion, gay rights and anit- God polices an by supporting the party do you NOT support the things that they support how about you give a Straight answer.. for once DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT Support the major things your party does? Or are you for and against them............ but i know I won't get a straight answer just more dancing...

 

[docholiday]

And for the record I'm not bashing i'm trying to expose the Problem that is haunting Christians the fact that many of us think we can separate are beliefs from how we vote or act or think .. and that God is ok with that! If that Is bashing then Jesus Bashed the pharisees all the time .. I actually respect the fact that ringo is debating his point at least he has the courage not to back down to a challenge. that is the beginning of turing this country around. We need more debate More talking EVEN more arguing if it Works.. We as Christians have lost are zeal to defend truth we would rather just "agree to just disagree" and look where it has lead.. we are divide and in a civil war We don't even know who God is let alone how to follow him and with more that 100 major denominations it makes christianity look uncertain at best I have no problem with anyone person only what they believe Forgive me if i come off harsh I just understand that the church and our country are going downhill fast and if we don't stop be pacifistic we will lose. Jesus forgave and was Love but sometimes he was tough Love, because he didn't allows those following him to be undermined by those who hated him. In the End everyones true intent will be revealed and I pray that we all Truly know Him.

Choose this day Whom ye will serve, but as for me and my house we will serve the lord.

 

[Ringo84]

This topic shouldn't have turned into a debate about political parties. It's about Kerry. Not about democrats, but simply Kerry.

The man screwed up... he doesn't like war and he doesn't support our soldiers, it was bound to happen. Take the party bashing elsewhere, say, a political debate thread.

Thank you, CarryMeAway. I agree.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

Ringo you really should actually read my post I wasnt saying every democrat thanks like kerry .. i was saying that the PARTY let me say that again the PARTY HEADS UP the abortion, gay rights and anit- God polices an by supporting the party do you NOT support the things that they support how about you give a Straight answer.. for once DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT Support the major things your party does? Or are you for and against them............ but i know I won't get a straight answer just more dancing...

Do you support everything your party does? Because that's basically what you're asking. You're trying to blame me for all these things you dislike about the Democratic party, but the truth is that I don't support everything my party does. And that's why I don't appreciate people lumping me and other Democrats together as though we all think alike.

That's not "dancing"; it's common sense. If you have problems with the Democratic party, that's fine. I certainly don't think the Democratic party is perfect. Neither is the Republican party. As long as you don't try to attack me and question my faith because of the acts and beliefs of the entire party.

I don't want to get into what I believe and don't believe. That's not the point. I told you that while the Democratic party best fits certain values of mine, I don't support their every move. On many issues, I'm probably a little more moderate than some Democrats, actually.

Just as long as you don't generalize, you and I will probably get along fairly well.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

And for the record I'm not bashing i'm trying to expose the Problem that is haunting Christians the fact that many of us think we can separate are beliefs from how we vote or act or think .. and that God is ok with that! If that Is bashing then Jesus Bashed the pharisees all the time .. I actually respect the fact that ringo is debating his point at least he has the courage not to back down to a challenge. that is the beginning of turing this country around. We need more debate More talking EVEN more arguing if it Works.. We as Christians have lost are zeal to defend truth we would rather just "agree to just disagree" and look where it has lead.. we are divide and in a civil war We don't even know who God is let alone how to follow him and with more that 100 major denominations it makes christianity look uncertain at best I have no problem with anyone person only what they believe Forgive me if i come off harsh I just understand that the church and our country are going downhill fast and if we don't stop be pacifistic we will lose. Jesus forgave and was Love but sometimes he was tough Love, because he didn't allows those following him to be undermined by those who hated him. In the End everyones true intent will be revealed and I pray that we all Truly know Him.

Choose this day Whom ye will serve, but as for me and my house we will serve the lord.

I actually respect the fact that ringo is debating his point at least he has the courage not to back down to a challenge.

Thank you. Same to you.
Ringo

 

[imind]

he doesn't like war and he doesn't support our soldiers,

i can respect the fact that he doesn't like war, good for him. why would anyone like war?

and yes, he does support our troops.

 

[ForYouAloneOLord]

hehe, soros can be blamed for anything these days, with an active enough imagination.

i don't think the comment was entirely untrue, as it seems that a great portion of of those in the military these days come from poorer backgrounds with less education. its a simple fact. it was true during vietnam, as well.

yeah, it could have been worded differently, and yeah, it negates those who enlist to enjoy the benefits of the gi bill, and those who are doing it for purely patriotic reasons, but it still holds true for a great many.

oh please, far worse has been said on both sides of the aisle. lets not pretend that politicians don't say stupid things all the time.

Blessings in Christ.
Blessing in Christ!

It is interesting to note, at my duty location, that >92% of enlisted personnel hold a BA or BS and >10% have a Master's degree.

NOTE: Many held their degrees prior to enlistment ... graduating from college then joining the military.

 

[imind]

Blessings in Christ.
Blessing in Christ!

It is interesting to note, at my duty location, that >92% of enlisted personnel hold a BA or BS and >10% have a Master's degree.

NOTE: Many held their degrees prior to enlistment ... graduating from college then joining the military.

i don't doubt that some 'posting locations' have a higher portion of graduates/post-graduates, and i'm sure this depends entirely on where you are. but taken as a whole, i stand by my statement.

 

[carrymeaway06]

Regardless of whether or not you stand by your statment, it was still said that if you haven't been to college, you're not considered very educated.

That's BS... to no end.

 

[Harlan Norris]

Okay, I don't care who you are or where your from... whether you're democratic or republican.... whether you supported Bush of Kerry... whether you agree with the war or not... whether your support the troops or not...

When a statement such as what follows is made, the being making the statement should be excommunicated by ALL, he should NOT be a polititian. There's a difference between playing politics and attacking citizens. It was not worded even halfway decent.... even if it were simply supposed to be aimed at bush.

"You study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq"

Some people... are morons no matter what party they ally themselves with.

Why is some politicians political blather so important to us?Why do we care what a professional liar says?That's what politicians are. Professional liars. Which of them is rightous enough to vote for? Not a one. None have a Christian agenda.Not a one. They wouldn't even run if they were Christian. Lies, slander, extortion, all are requirements for election to political office.You can't follow Christ and not follow him at the same time. It's just not possible. We, Christians, need to take a good look at our walk and decide who we love and trust.God or some political idealogue. Pilot stood Jesus and Barabas up in front of the people and said who shall I save. The people said Barabas. When we embrace politics as if it were Goddly, we also chose Barabas.

 

[ForYouAloneOLord]

Regardless of whether or not you stand by your statment, it was still said that if you haven't been to college, you're not considered very educated.

That's BS... to no end.

I agree with your last sentence.

Have a blessed day.

 

[imind]

Regardless of whether or not you stand by your statment, it was still said that if you haven't been to college, you're not considered very educated.

That's BS... to no end.

it could be argued both ways. as i said, its a matter of perspective, a subjective statement and, as such, is neither correct nor incorrect.

consider this...

person a: red is a pretty color.
person b: no its not.

who is correct?