Kerry

[ksbriscoe]

I don't know if anyone got to see how some of the troops responded to Kerrys statement... but here it is.....

God Bless our troops!

 

[soblessed53]

Okay, I don't care who you are or where your from... whether you're democratic or republican.... whether you supported Bush of Kerry... whether you agree with the war or not... whether your support the troops or not...

When a statement such as what follows is made, the being making the statement should be excommunicated by ALL, he should NOT be a polititian. There's a difference between playing politics and attacking citizens. It was not worded even halfway decent.... even if it were simply supposed to be aimed at bush.

"You study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq"

Some people... are morons no matter what party they ally themselves with.

The worst parts were the excuses by Kerry operatives. An insult to the intelligence of all Americans. Perfect illustrations of the low esteem Kerry's backers have of the American people. (Soros' Media Matters was first out of the gate claiming his words had been misinterpreted and what he said was a "joke" which went bad).

Everyone knows what Kerry said and what he meant. Everyone also knows those who are making excuses don't believe a word they are saying.

Very true,political campaigning often shows just what kind, or even the lack of character most politicians have! It is so disheartening that our only choices these days are between " bad or worse, or sorry and sorrier"!

 

[imind]

That's a load of freakin crap right there!!! How on earth can you say that someone who hasn't gone to college "isn't well educated"? That's BS.

as i said, its a matter of perspective.

 

[soblessed53]

Thank you for lumping us republicans all together. (Honest, no sarcasm meant).

Some folks seem to think everything that's happened is the sole responsiblity of Bush, which isn't true at all. We forget that we have the senate and the congress to keep one president from "taking over".

Absolutely correct! Though not a fan of Bush or really ANY politician at this point,I find it very telling how members of his own party even try to distance themselves from Bush when their re-elction looming! How every congressperson and senator voted should have to be next to every name on the ballot,as reminders to the voters,LOL!

 

[jane1]

Love the banner ! Very funny -- heee hee ha ha har har ! Glad those troops have a sense of humor

Ironic that Kerry undoubtedly is not "educated" enough nor "intelligent" enough to understand or use modern technology let alone modern Military Technology !

Although I find worldly matters to be a distraction that takes my focus off of Christ , I still would've liked to hear an immediate, humble apology from Kerry.

 

[carrymeaway06]

Love the banner ! Very funny -- heee hee ha ha har har ! Glad those troops have a sense of humor

Ironic that Kerry undoubtedly is not "educated" enough nor "intelligent" enough to understand or use modern technology let alone modern Military Technology !

Although I find worldly matters to be a distraction that takes my focus off of Christ , I still would've liked to hear an immediate, humble apology from Kerry.

His apology was disgusting and half-hearted. More of a "It wasn't meant to be taken that way". No where near an admission of wrong.

 

[[serious]]

As a former soldier, I heard the Kerry quote in context and was not offended by it. We as a country are stuck in Iraq and a draft is a very real threat. Every day that goes by without clear strategic and operational goals makes the situation worse.

 

[FallingWaters]

Okay, I don't care who you are or where your from... whether you're democratic or republican.... whether you supported Bush of Kerry... whether you agree with the war or not... whether your support the troops or not...

When a statement such as what follows is made, the being making the statement should be excommunicated by ALL, he should NOT be a polititian. There's a difference between playing politics and attacking citizens. It was not worded even halfway decent.... even if it were simply supposed to be aimed at bush.

"You study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq"

Some people... are morons no matter what party they ally themselves with.

Kerry was jabbing at President Bush's supposed bad grades in college. The opposition has been insulting his intelligence since he started running for President the first time. This was just another one of those times.

Politically, President Bush is stuck in Iraq. Our military went in there and now we are stuck there until we finish what we started. This is no secret. President Bush is always saying so.

What Kerry was saying was, if President Bush were more intelligent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now in Iraq. I disagree, but I'm just saying Kerry was referring to a political hot potato, not the troops.

 

[FallingWaters]

His apology was disgusting and half-hearted. More of a "It wasn't meant to be taken that way". No where near an admission of wrong.

I am not a Kerry supporter, but I don't believe he was insulting the troops. He was mis-understood. People took it the wrong way and probably should be embarrassed for not understanding what he said.

The political machine picked up the ball and had a field day with it, but everyone who understands he was referring to President Bush probably is quite incredulous at the ruckus.

 

[carrymeaway06]

Kerry was jabbing at President Bush's supposed bad grades in college. The opposition has been insulting his intelligence since he started running for President the first time. This was just another one of those times.

Politically, President Bush is stuck in Iraq. Our military went in there and now we are stuck there until we finish what we started. This is no secret. President Bush is always saying so.

What Kerry was saying was, if President Bush were more intelligent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now in Iraq. I disagree, but I'm just saying Kerry was referring to a political hot potato, not the troops.

Well, the unintelligence of Kerry didn't land him the whitehouse, did it? Bush must be good to get in twice.

About the soldiers, Kerry is anti-war.... to the CORE. He's not thrilled with soldiers as a whole either. He's expressed that when he ran against Bush. Alot of people are so anti-war they claim the soldiers have been short changed when in fact MANY of them SIGNED UP KNOWING we were going to war. AFTER 9-11 because they are proud to serve their country and Kerry's insulting them REGARDLESS of who he aimed it at. He said what he said. Open mouth, insert foot. That's what happens when your a pacifist.

 

[docholiday]

Kerry was jabbing at President Bush's supposed bad grades in college. The opposition has been insulting his intelligence since he started running for President the first time. This was just another one of those times.

Politically, President Bush is stuck in Iraq. Our military went in there and now we are stuck there until we finish what we started. This is no secret. President Bush is always saying so.

What Kerry was saying was, if President Bush were more intelligent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now in Iraq. I disagree, but I'm just saying Kerry was referring to a political hot potato, not the troops.

If that is what he was "supposedly" saying then maybe HE should do his home work :
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.
The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Once again Liberals Can never get out of the holes they are put in by their very own words!

 

[Ringo84]

Once again Liberals Can never get out of the holes they are put in by their very own words!

"Liberals"? How many liberals are there in the US? OK. And how many liberals are we talking about here? That's right. One. So instead of lumping all liberals together by saying "liberals", why don't you just say "Kerry"? Thank you.
Ringo

 

[docholiday]

"Liberals"? How many liberals are there in the US? OK. And how many liberals are we talking about here? That's right. One. So instead of lumping all liberals together by saying "liberals", why don't you just say "Kerry"? Thank you.
Ringo

Well i'm sorry But if you could maybe Not say you are a Christian but openly support a party who is leading the way in Gay rights, abortion,
the destruction of our Christian heritage and blaming it on everyone else , it would be harder for me to lump you "ALL together if you would stop putting on the shoe and then saying "I'M NOT WEARING IT!!!

 

[Ringo84]

Well i'm sorry But if you could maybe Not say you are a Christian but openly support a party who is leading the way in Gay rights, abortion,
the destruction of our Christian heritage and blaming it on everyone else , it would be harder for me to lump you "ALL together if you would stop putting on the shoe and then saying "I'M NOT WEARING IT!!!

Fortunately, God is a lot smarter than you and therefore, doesn't judge people and how Christian they are due to preconceived notions about the political parties for whom they vote. The only one not acting very Christian here is you.

I've come up with a corollary during this divisive political season: whenever someone must defend their point of view through divisive, hateful political rhetoric either has bad arguments for their point of view or none at all. I think that applies here.
Ringo

 

[Voegelin]

Fans at the Air Force/Army game had another message to John Kerry and the troops yesterday:

http://usera.imagecave.com/Hist/JonCarry.jpg

 

[dcyates]

Fortunately, God is a lot smarter than you and therefore, doesn't judge people and how Christian they are due to preconceived notions about the political parties for whom they vote. The only one not acting very Christian here is you.

I've come up with a corollary during this divisive political season: whenever someone must defend their point of view through divisive, hateful political rhetoric either has bad arguments for their point of view or none at all. I think that applies here.
Ringo

You mean like when Jean Francois Kerry calls everybody in the Armed Forces stupid.

 

[dcyates]

two things. regardless of how many people you think you know in the military, i can assure you, it probably represents less than 1% of the actual number of soldiers. so taking and using them as a fair representation of the whole is probably not a good idea. secondly, to a degree, its a matter of perspective, as a high school education alone, to me, means 'not very well educated'. not to be disrespectful to anyone, its simply how i was raised.

Some of the stupidest people I've ever encountered have college degrees. On the flip side, many of the wisest, smartest people I know never even finished high school.

Higher education may make you knowlegable in some given discipline of study, but it certainly doesn't necessarily make you smart.

 

[Voegelin]

Doesn't make one moral either.

People who are exceptional (above 145 IQ) are usually extremely leery of intelligence. Not once have I heard those at that level praise intelligence as a good in itself. They know it can be a curse. Both on the person who is very bright and those affected by that person.

This gushing over intelligence, I believe, has to do with the idea progress and the need for a figure to lead the masses. Materialists, with nothing else to go on and needing a vanguard to push their vision, would, of course, consider IQ the most important factor in a person's make-up.

 

[dcyates]

No. That's a fact. Check Media Matters. Soros funds it. It was right there saying Lou Dobbs and others got it all wrong about Kerry's comments. Soros gave Democrats over $25 million in 2004. He hasn't stopped giving. He is the biggest single player moneywise in American politics today (the others are Peter Lewis, Steve Bing and the Sandlers--all four of whom work with Soros).

Can't do a google news search without running into Soros' and Podesta's operation (Ickes is involved as well which makes it a de facto Clinton media machine). They spam the net. Only person missing from the gig is Sidney Blumenthall but I guess he has some other job than flacking officially for Hillary now.

Jean Francois Kerry claims it was a "botched joke," meaning that President Bush didn't get a good education and that he has gotten the country stuck in Iraq. Even if we bend over backward to believe Kerry didn't really mean what he said, but had simply messed up the punch line, his follow-up statement later on only made matters worse.


He said he would "apologize to no one" that if anyone would believe that "a veteran, someone like me," would "somehow criticize more than 140,000 troops serving in Iraq" then "they're crazy."

Maybe Kerry has a bad memory — or maybe he is counting on the rest of us having a bad memory. He criticized far more than 140,000 troops serving in Vietnam, making sweeping and unsubstantiated accusations against them of widespread atrocities back in the 1970s.

He criticized them at home and abroad, giving aid and comfort to America's enemies during wartime. That is what first got the Swift Boat veterans after him, years before he ran for President in '04.

Regardless of whether we believe Kerry's account of his service in Vietnam or the very different accounts by many who served in the same unit with him, military service does not confer lifetime immunity from criticism for what you do afterwards.

Wasn't Benedict Arnold was a military hero during the Revolutionary War? But General Arnold changed his mind on that war, just as Kerry has changed his mind on the war in Iraq — and no one has claimed that Benedict Arnold's earlier military service made him exempt from criticism.

And you're right, Voegelin: How has this story been covered by the mainstream media? The front-page headline on the San Francisco Chronicle read: "Bush, GOP seize on Kerry's Gibe to Turn Focus from War in Iraq." The Chronicle has learned well the New York Times' technique of imputing motives instead of reporting facts.
Has any Democrat ever been accused by the mainstream media of "seizing on" some statement by a Republican, much less of having bad motives imputed in their doing so?

Hardly.

 

[dcyates]

Doesn't make one moral either.

Oh my goodness, are you ever correct there.

The vile murderer Pol Pot and his henchmen were graduates of the Sorbonne and students of Jean-Paul Sartre.

People who are exceptional (above 145 IQ) are usually extremely leery of intelligence. Not once have I heard those at that level praise intelligence as a good in itself. They know it can be a curse. Both on the person who is very bright and those affected by that person.

I believe it was George Orwell who once said something along the lines of: 'Some ideas are so ridiculous they could ONLY be believed by an intellectual.'

I think he was dead-on.

This gushing over intelligence, I believe, has to do with the idea progress and the need for a figure to lead the masses. Materialists, with nothing else to go on and needing a vanguard to push their vision, would, of course, consider IQ the most important factor in a person's make-up.

Odd how, as far as those on the ideological Left are concerned, IQs are considered of vital importance only when a Republican is president.

I remember something Ronald Reagan said when giving a commencement address at his old alma mater, Eureka College, at a time when the Left and the media were going on and on about him being only an average student at a "third-rate" college. He mused (with that wry smile of his and a twinkle in his eye): "To this day I wonder what I might have achieved had I got a better education."

I seriously laughed my head off. The man may have been a 'C' student but he was nonetheless a genius.