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jcdiedforall, what does satan have to do with this???? so whoever questions your belief structure is possessed by satan? I feel as though I have just stepped back into time, funny stuff! The Bible? Thats all it takes to win you over? I believe the easter bunny has ya'll confused.

Don't distort what he's trying to say, Foolsparade. Where do you see anyone saying "whoever questions my belief is possessed by satan?" We both know what he means -- if God and satan are opposites, then the opposite of what God teaches is of satan.

God bless you, Foolsparade and JCdiedforall!
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"Lets go to the catalog of the books by the publishing arm of a group of holocaust deniers:"

Your first link takes us to a brief blurb about a book by an Islamic fundamentalist. I don't see what this has to do with Hovind, since Islamic fundamentalists are usually as strongly opposed to Christianity as they are Judaism.

"Evidence for an international conspiracy, from an American perspective, <I>Fourth Reich of the Rich</I> documents centuries of ties between world revolutionaries and international financiers. Demonstrates how Rockefeller-Rothschild interests manipulate Communists and anti-Communists alike in the interests of one-world domination."

Your second link takes us to another brief blurb, this one about the book Fourth Reich of the Rich. Just because they sell this particular book, does not prove that the book itself is anti-Semitic. Please cite some passages from the book for further evidence.

"If you are in any way familiar with anti-semitism that should sound familiar."

I'm Jewish by birth, so save the condescending cracks for someone who knows as little about the subject as yourself.

"How about an online book from Noon Tide."

OOOOOPS! Your third link, to Henry Ford's The International Jew, gets you in trouble. Ford was a staunch proponent of evolution and social darwinism. So we now have an evolutionist connection to extreme anti-semitism.

"How about a printed one."

Your fourth link says absolutely nothing about Hovind or Fourth Reich of the Rich. Do you have a point?

"The book claims that the Roman Catholic Church is satanist, has standard trite about Illuminati, etc. All of which you can verify via a check the web. (Speaking of Catholics as Satanists, Hovind has worked with Jack Chick on his tracks and Chick's claims about the Catholic Church are very easy to find.)"

You're the one making the claim, so you need to do the web check yourself, then give us a link. Please make sure any link you provide has actual in-context excerpts from the book.

Please provide us with evidence that Hovind has worked with Chick on tracts that were specifically anti-Catholic. The assertion that Hovind worked with him on some of his tracts, does not necessarily mean that Hovind shares his views on Catholics. Again, please provide evidence to back your statements


"In any event there is a bit on the history o Protocols. Notice what book, among others, the conspiracy nuts, cite as "proof" that Protocols is not a hoax."

The writer at your fifth link is correct in her overall thesis that the Protocols were not written by Jews. However, a significant amount of her background information is bunk---but that is outside the topic of this post, so I won't deal with it here.

Your source lists the book, but then says nothing else about it, and provides no excerpts whatsoever. So your case against the book is still circumstantial. Please provide a source that has in-context quotes from the book.


"Here is a first hand report on Hovind and Protocols."

The woman at your sixth link provides no hard evidence whatsoever. She has no witnesses to back her story. She exhibits a strong, emotional dislike for Hovind and his views, and she's a Bible skeptic. She admits to asking him a question about the Bible in order to "trap" him. She is a definite hostile witness, and her testimony alone means nothing.

"Kent Hovind was asked via email about the matter. The question and the Hovind's response can be found here. Hovind failed to deny it. I can't image why he would not deny the allegation if it were false."

The guy at your seventh and final link is also a hostile witness, judging not only by his rant, but by his screen-name as well. The alleged e-mail images on the screen prove absolutely nothing. There's no way of telling whether Hovind sent that e-mail or not. Besides, the guy only asked Hovind what his stance on the Protocols was, he made no allegations against Hovind---so there was nothing for Hovind to deny, even if he is allegedly aware of the guy's e-mail.

So far, you've failed miserably to prove your case. If Hovind was such a big anti-Semite and advocate of the alleged Jewish origin of the Protocols, it seems there would be something about this on his website. I was able to find nothing to support your allegations after doing a search of his site.

Please do some more research, and try to post some HARD evidence.
 
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...Please provide at-length, in-context quotes from Fourth Reich of the Rich, which clearly establish that it is an anti-semitic book.

CS, i've never read Fourth Reich of the Rich by Des Griffin myself, but from what i've heard, it is not a nazi book. Reich simply means "kingdom." It doesn't mean anything antisemitic.

Arthipidicus is simply mixed up on this point.
 
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Originally posted by armageddonman
What makes you think that God ans Satan are opposites? Opposites of what?

Opposites, as in opposed completely. God is love. He created the world. Satan is hate and wants to destroy the world. There is no&nbsp;quality&nbsp;that God and satan share.

Hey, Armageddonman, sprechen Sie deutsch? Ich kann es nicht viel, weil ich nür zwei Jahren studiere. Ich möchte ein Freund haben, wer sprechst deutsch (dann ich nicht vergessen werde).

(excuse me for the mistakes)

God bless you, man!

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Originally posted by Christian Soldier
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"Evidence for an international conspiracy, from an American perspective, <I>Fourth Reich of the Rich</I> documents centuries of ties between world revolutionaries and international financiers. Demonstrates how Rockefeller-Rothschild interests manipulate Communists and anti-Communists alike in the interests of one-world domination."

Your second link takes us to another brief blurb, this one about the book Fourth Reich of the Rich. Just because they sell this particular book, does not prove that the book itself is anti-Semitic. Please cite some passages from the book for further evidence.

Your fourth link says absolutely nothing about Hovind or Fourth Reich of the Rich.


You're the one making the claim, so you need to do the web check yourself, then give us a link. Please make sure any link you provide has actual in-context excerpts from the book.

Please provide us with evidence that Hovind has worked with Chick on tracts that were specifically anti-Catholic. The assertion that Hovind worked with him on some of his tracts, does not necessarily mean that Hovind shares his views on Catholics. Again, please provide evidence to back your statements



The writer at your fifth link is correct in her overall thesis that the Protocols were not written by Jews. However, a significant amount of her background information is bunk...
Your source lists the book, but then says nothing else about it, and provides no excerpts whatsoever. So your case against the book is still circumstantial. Please provide a source that has in-context quotes from the book.


"Here is a first hand report on Hovind and Protocols."

The woman at your sixth link provides no hard evidence whatsoever. She has no witnesses to back her story. She exhibits a strong, emotional dislike for Hovind and his views, and she's a Bible skeptic. She admits to asking him a question about the Bible in order to "trap" him. She is a definite hostile witness, and her testimony alone means nothing.

"Kent Hovind was asked via email about the matter. The question and the Hovind's response can be found here. Hovind failed to deny it. I can't image why he would not deny the allegation if it were false."

The guy at your seventh and final link is also a hostile witness, judging not only by his rant, but by his screen-name as well. The alleged e-mail images on the screen prove absolutely nothing. There's no way of telling whether Hovind sent that e-mail or not.
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I agree with the above points that Christian Soldier has made.

If "Fourth Reich Of the Rich" contains the content that you describe, I find it alaming that Mr. Hovind sells the book on his website.

However, I would also like more information. I would hate to purchase the book and then I find out that I had contributed the cost of the book toward an anti-semitic cause or author.&nbsp;&nbsp;
 
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Noontide press, sells alot of Anti semitic, Holocaust denying books.
http://www.noontidepress.com/cgi/search.pl?selectName=Holocaust revisionism

They sell books, that want to prove international conpsiracies, which misled Germany into the wars.
http://www.noontidepress.com/cgi/search.pl?selectName=Historical+revisionism&B1=Go

They sell extreme racial books like them
http://www.noontidepress.com/cgi/search.pl?selectName=Race,+culture+and+literature&B1=Go

Here you can read an excerpt of one of those books:
http://feastofhateandfear.com/archives/stoddard.html

Another great example of the extreme racistic books they promote:
http://www.noontidepress.com/books/cox/watoc.html

Noontide Press distributes books, that promote racism, deny the Holocaust, deny the war guilt of Germany. Therefore I would presume, that they sell only books, that are fitting in this worldview

Hovind has a link to Chick´s site.
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=links
Therefore I have to conclude, Hovind agrees with Cick´s views, otherwise he wouldn´t link to his site.
 
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Originally posted by jcdiedforall
Let's see ... While Satan has all of you debating Dr. Hovind's accounting practices (like liberals getting us to debate non-issues like whether Creation should be taught in public schools ...

Setting aside your equating of "liberals" with "Satan," can you please cite one U.S. case involving so-called "creationism" or "creation science" the facts of which hinge on the activities of "liberals"?

There are plenty to choose from, so you shouldn't have much of a problem finding one.

Thanks in advance. I'm sure you, like every other "creationist," have the facts at your fingertips with which to support this interesting claim.

(By the way Mr. Hovind does not have a doctorate and therefore does not merit that particular honorific.)
 
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First, how do you know that Mr. Hovind does not have a doctorate? Is that a fact, or something you have simply heard or read on an opposing website? I have spoken with Mr. hovind and he was very offended...he worked for nine years to earn his degree. Please, let's not post such things without something to back it up. It appears to be nothing more than a rumor by doing it that way.
I agree with the point made about how arguing about pointless things can get us to far from a more important topic. For those of you who read the opening post, you will know that this thread was started to clear a man's name....I never meant for it to become a pointless debate. I asked for hard evidence against his facts, not for rumors about his character. Unless they are actually true and affect his information.

Once again, I don't expect people to simply believe the things that he has claimed, especially if he is a liar. However, I have seen no such proof against him. I am sincerely sorry if others of you think that I am blinded by him, I am not. I am open to anything, as long as it can be defended in truth. I have not read anyhting here that he has not been able to defend, thus far. And some of it is nothing more than gossip. Has anyone bothered to listen to his tapes? If someone is interested and cannot afford it, I will find away to copy the tapes I have and mail them to anyone interested. This business about him being an anti-semite is mind numbing. I have no idea where that rumor was started, but it is simply not true. If anyone has seen his tape concerning anti-semitism, you will have seen that it angered him; he is not an anti-semite.

God and Satan opposites? I will restrain myself from getting into that debate. I appreciate the point made, but that is not the topic at hand, so let's not get into it on this particular thread, please. I would be grateful.

I am sorry if my calling Mr. Hovind on the telephone is not good enough "research" for some of you, but, unfortunately, it appears to be more than many of you have bothered to do. It is your choice as to whether or not you call him, but please to not mock my efforts to seek out the truth about his facts. I have read many of the websites given, whether anyone chooses to believe me or not. I have not simply called him, I am researching the points given here on the web as well.

God Bless,
Ambrosia
 
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First, how do you know that Mr. Hovind does not have a doctorate? Is that a fact, or something you have simply heard or read on an opposing website? I have spoken with Mr. Hovind and he was very offended...he worked for nine years to earn his degree. Please, let's not post such things without something to back it up. It appears to be nothing more than a rumor by doing it that way.
I agree with the point made about how arguing about pointless things can get us to far from a more important topic. For those of you who read the opening post, you will know that this thread was started to clear a man's name....I never meant for it to become a pointless debate. I asked for hard evidence against his facts, not for rumors about his character. Unless they are actually true and affect his information.

Once again, I don't expect people to simply believe the things that he has claimed, especially if he is a liar. However, I have seen no such proof against him. I am sincerely sorry if others of you think that I am blinded by him, I am not. I am open to anything, as long as it can be defended in truth. I have not read anything here that he has not been able to defend, thus far. And some of it is nothing more than gossip. Has anyone bothered to listen to his tapes? If someone is interested and cannot afford it, I will find away to copy the tapes I have and mail them to anyone interested. This business about him being an anti-semite is mind numbing. I have no idea where that rumor was started, but it is simply not true. If anyone has seen his tape concerning anti-semitism, you will have seen that it angered him; he is not an anti-semite.

God and Satan opposites? I will restrain myself from getting into that debate. I appreciate the point made, but that is not the topic at hand, so let's not get into it on this particular thread, please. I would be grateful.

I am sorry if my calling Mr. Hovind on the telephone is not good enough "research" for some of you, but, unfortunately, it appears to be more than many of you have bothered to do. It is your choice as to whether or not you call him, but please to not mock my efforts to seek out the truth about his facts. I have read many of the websites given, whether anyone chooses to believe me or not. I have not simply called him, I am researching the points given here on the web as well.

God Bless,
Ambrosia
 
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Originally posted by Ambrosia416
First, how do you know that Mr. Hovind does not have a doctorate?

Kent Hovind uses the title of "Dr." Kent Hovind, implying that he is a scientist. His Ph.D. "degree" was awarded by Patriot University, which is located in the College Heights Baptist Church in Alamosa, Colorado. There is no faculty, no actual casework, and they offer credit for "life experience and ministry evaluation." Classes can be paid for with a monthly "freewill offering." Each course is designed to be completed in 2 to 4 weeks. It is "accredited" only by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions. Hovind's "Ph.D." is actually a Doctorate in Christian Education, and a totally worthless one at that.

Were you there?

Is that a fact, or something you have simply heard or read on an opposing website?

Patriot University is recognized by the State of Colorado to grant religious degrees and is accredited by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions. This accreditation is through a Christian agency, which recognizes high standards of Biblical and academic training. It is not to be confused with regional accreditation that deals with secular programs and standards.

Patriot University Admission Policies

I have spoken with Mr. Hovind and he was very offended ...

How very sad. Please send him a moist towelette for me.

... he worked for nine years to earn his degree.

It's a bogus degree, and as you can see, it doesn't take nine years to get one:

Doctor of Ministry in Christian Education Course Requirements:

http://www.patriotuniversity.com/gradcourse.htm#anchor-GR-OT
Old Testament: 3 Courses
http://www.patriotuniversity.com/gradcourse.htm#anchor-GR-NT
New Testament: 3 Courses
http://www.patriotuniversity.com/gradcourse.htm#anchor-GR-ChrEdu
Christian Education or Project: 2 Courses
http://www.patriotuniversity.com/gradcourse.htm
Electives: 4 Courses

Doctor of Ministry Degree Requirements

Please, let's not post such things without something to back it up.

There you have it. Mr. Hovind does not have a doctorate. Unaccredited "universities" operating out of single-family bungalows in Colorado do not bestow accredited degrees.

National Recognition of Accrediting Agencies by the U.S. Secretary of Education

By its own admission, Patriot University does not meet these standards. Anyone can get a degree such as the one Kent Hovind claims:

Diploma Mills
 
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&nbsp;&nbsp; A quick look at their classes and you see that calling Hovind "Dr" is an insult to anyone who has ever earned a real one.

&nbsp; Don't believe me? Validate this:

MA 401-Precalculus I
MA 402-Precalculus II
MA 403-Precalculus III
MA 404-Precalculus IV
MA 405-Precalculus V

&nbsp;&nbsp; Five classes for Precal?. It's a semester long course in a real college.&nbsp;But you earn credit for five classes for Patriot's "Undergrad" degree.

&nbsp;&nbsp; I covered everything in those five classes in one semester at a public high school. And then I took Calculus, and started learning real math.

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Originally posted by alexgb00

Hey, Armageddonman, sprechen Sie deutsch? Ich kann es nicht viel, weil ich nür zwei Jahren studiere. Ich möchte ein Freund haben, wer sprechst deutsch (dann ich nicht vergessen werde).


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Only two years? Yor german is quite good for that. :)
 
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I am not going to fight with you D Scarlatti. You do not have to be rude to me...."give him a moist toilette for me,"? I do not know whether or not you have read this entire post, but Patriot University is not run out of a hose, but the Church next to the house...they have the same address because the house is the residence of the Pastor and his family. I am sure that you will not be satisfied with that and I apologize, but we have been through this before.....Mr. Hovind never claimed to have a degree in science, but in education....this was also confirmed by you. He has never claimed to have a degree in science, only in education.
Yes, your statements should be backed up with facts, but the ones you gave have done nothing to discredit him, only shown that you do not like how he earned his degree. If you wish to confront him about it, please feel free to do so. He can argue science and not have a degree in it; the people on this website are. If he worked for his degree (in education), then your arugment is only valid if it is meant to take the discussion in a pointless direction.

Ambrosia
 
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Ambrosia, I have to admit that I find any organisation run out of a hose to be sinister. I avoid ALL&nbsp;Hose-People and my advice to everyone is to stay away from them!!!

I know this sounds intolerant and I have no degree in Hoseology as such, but I simply MUST draw the&nbsp;line&nbsp;somewhere! ;) &nbsp;
 
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