Kent Hovind

[Finrod]

From Hovind's newsletter:

Kent Hovind
29 Cummings Road
Pensacola, Florida 32503
www.drdino.com
www.dinosauradventureland.com
(850) 479-3466

8/27/02 Update:

Over the last two years, I have learned what Nehemiah must have felt like as he
labored to build for the Lord and fought to defend his work at the same time.
For now, all is quiet on the home front in our battle with the county. (See
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=38 if you don’t know the
whole story.) In spite of the opposition, our Creation Museum building has been
done for over a year now and is receiving hundreds of visitors. We are have
lots of pictures (http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/dal.asp?pg=pictures) of
the progress on our site. I still travel every week and am now starting to
schedule more meetings for 2003 and 2004. I had slowed down some to devote more
time at home.

Several weeks, ago the county building inspectors scheduled a hearing with Judge
Geeker to tell him how urgent it was for him to issue an order to stop us from
building our new Science Center building (which we are also building without
their permission.) They showed him some really nice pictures of our progress!
Much to the county’s dismay the judge said he would do no such thing since this
battle has been going on for nearly two years and he could see no "urgency"
about the situation. Praise God! We continue to build and win souls. The next
court date is October 15 for jury selection. Any one of the people mentioned in
the last update can still step in to stop this senseless waste of the taxpayers’
(and God’s) time and money so, please, keep writing them and praying for them.

The beautiful new three-story "hands-on" science activity center (mentioned
above) is 85% completed and should open in about two months. It houses our
giant fossil dig pit with a 40-foot Tylosaur for the kids to "find." It will
also house our expanded bookstore, scores of indoor science activities for kids
of all ages, a large "geologic column" showing a petrified tree running through
the layers, lots of fossils, life sized dinosaurs and lots of live animals.
Very importantly, it will give us some much needed office space for our growing
staff.

We now have pictures
(http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/dal.asp?pg=newbuildings) of the Science
Center building progress on the web site. Our little kids playground and
activity center has been a great success. Only kids five and under are allowed
inside to use the mini-cable slide, swings and the soon to open Dino 500
racetrack! Parents love it!

A fence surrounds the entire parking area where we proudly display the names (on
a dinosaur, of course) of those individuals or businesses that sponsor
(http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/dal.asp?pg=sponsor) our ministry with a
yearly tax-deductible gift of at least $500. Contact maury@drdino.com, if you
would like to help support our efforts for the Lord.

In spite of the continuing legal battles, God has blessed as we now have about
2,000 visitors come through Dinosaur Adventure Land each month. We have
hundreds of lost people come and hear the salvation and creation message, many
for the first time in their life. Paul used creation as a means of evangelism
in Acts 17 and we have seen first-hand that this is a great way to open people
up to the gospel as well. We have an incredibly talented staff that all have a
burning desire to reach others with the gospel.

Our next big building project will be to add 12,000 square feet more to our
Creation Museum. Many people have loaned or donated some really awesome items
for display and we need to expand again soon. We then hope to quit building
here for a while and help others build a Dinosaur Adventure Land in their part
of the world. If you have an interest in seeing a creation-based museum, theme
park and science center in your area, please, let me know.

Speaking of Maury, in spite of his health problems he has been able to use his
legal expertise to help resolve quite a few conflicts regarding religious
discrimination in schools. This part of our ministry is available to protect
the rights of students and parents. If you don’t want your child taught
evolution or they are ridiculed for their belief in creation, contact us with
the details ASAP.

Why not schedule your next vacation to Pensacola? We have the best beaches in
the world. Also, there are four Christian colleges in town and many people will
be bringing their kids down in the next few weeks so schedule some extra time
and come visit our ministry! We are easy to find. There is a map
(http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/dal.asp?pg=directions) on our web site.

Praising the Creator,


Kent Hovind

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

After being the victim of certain atheists smeer campaigns personally, and knowing that they will say anything to attack God. I will give him a second look, now that I have seen their tactics first hand.

 

[Starscream]

After being the victim of certain atheists smeer campaigns personally, and knowing that they will say anything to attack God. I will give him a second look, now that I have seen their tactics first hand.

Atheist Tactics:

1)  Wait until s0uljah presents an essay (he called it an essay himself)

2)  Discovery that most, if not all of the work is a mish-mash copy and paste job from different authors.

3)  Ask s0uljah how much of the "essay" is in his own words.

4)  Listen as s0uljah puts on a pursecution complex and claims that Satan is working through us atheists to harm him.

5)  Ask s0uljah again how much of the "essay" is in his own words.

6)  Be ignored and be accused of leading a smear campaign.

The party starts here.

 

[Satoshi]

Please detail these "atheist smeer campaigns."

 

[Starscream]

Please detail these "atheist smeer campaigns."

Follow the link in my post above, you can see so yourself.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

You can see StarScream paint it into something other than what it was...they asked for historical evidence, I collected info, glued it together, and clearly listed the sites that I got the info from, and they turn it into some scandal...heh

 

[Starscream]

You called it an "essay" and said that you "wrote it up".

I know you will never answer this question, but:

How much of that "essay" was in your own words.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

I wrote up the post, and I clearly explained what is was, and what is wasn't. It was a post, after requests for historical evidence of Jesus. I "wrote it up" for the athesits that requested it...when I said, "essay" I misspoke, as clearly explained.

StarScream and the others are just angry because Cephalic Carnage, and now, Atheist Archon, have been banned, after attacking me. Thus, the smeer campaign.

 

[Satoshi]

Originally posted by Starscream


Follow the link in my post above, you can see so yourself. [/B]

Thanks.  I had apparently written my post at the same time you wrote yours.  I find it most disconcerting that my query was answered so quickly, but _not_ by the one who was claiming to be the victim.  I can only hope that souljah will be able to come up with a different example in his defense--he really needs _something_ in his favor.

 

[Starscream]

I "wrote it up" for the athesits that requested it...when I said, "essay" I misspoke, as clearly explained.

I must have missed that then, and if I did, I apologize, but where did you "clearly explain" that you misspoke when you called that post an "essay"?

So can you answer this as well?

How much of that "post" or "essay" or "work" was in your own words?

 

[Satoshi]

Originally posted by s0uljah
I wrote up the post, and I clearly explained what is was, and what is wasn't. It was a post, after requests for historical evidence of Jesus. I "wrote it up" for the athesits that requested it...when I said, "essay" I misspoke, as clearly explained.

Plagiarism is a serious offense, souljah.  Had you submitted this "essay" at a university you would be out on the streets in five minutes.

StarScream and the others are just angry because Cephalic Carnage, and now, Atheist Archon, have been banned, after attacking me. Thus, the smeer campaign.

So here at Christian Forums, the people who plagiarize are the ones being persecuted.  Meanwhile, those who point out the offenses are banned?  Is this really the way it should be?

 

[Lanakila]

Thats not exactly how it happens Satoshi, but I am not a mod so I will let them answer this one.

 

[D. Scarlatti]

rofl! Who is undertaking a "smear campaign" here!

For the record, I was the one that called s0uljah on his blatant plagiarism. I was the one that spent all of 20 minutes or so documenting s0uljah's blatant plagiarism this morning. I did it all by myself. No one helped me and no one suggested it.

I have no knowledge of either Cephalic Carnage or AtheistArchon, other than having come across a few of their posts. I had and I have no idea who has or has not been banned.

I do not know anyone on this board other than through reading their posts, and engaging in some back and forth. I have participated in exactly two private messages since I joined this board, both of which were with the same person, a person that has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

Starscream and a couple of others have asked questions of s0uljah entirely of their own accord, as far as I know. There is no "smear campaign." There is no conspiracy. Aside from the two above-referenced PMs, there has been absolutely no communication between myself and any other participants on this board other than what I have posted in public.

That there is some "smear campaign" underway is a total crock. s0uljah, it would appear, has a rather expansive persecution complex.

 

[Satoshi]

Originally posted by Lanakila
Thats not exactly how it happens Satoshi, but I am not a mod so I will let them answer this one.

I apologize if my post was imprecise on that point.  I'm hoping myself that it doesn't happen that way, but souljah implied strongly that it does.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

The truth is that I have an essay, part of it is my own words. The other part, the historical records, which I included in my post in question, was from other websites, that I cited.

When I mentioned the essay, I was speaking of the entire thing, which I never posted here. I only posted the part that the atheists were interested in, and they turned it into a smeer campaign, INSTEAD of looking at the actual evidence.

 

[notto]

Originally posted by s0uljah
After being the victim of certain atheists smeer campaigns personally, and knowing that they will say anything to attack God. I will give him a second look, now that I have seen their tactics first hand.

I think that if you are suggesting that the county employees and judges that are involved in this are atheists, you would most likely be mistaken.

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

I wonder what the evolutionists that post on here would think if we dug up dirt on all of them. Find out every time they broke the law even if they didn't get caught and posted every lie they ever told. Hmm I could easily do that, is that a challenge? If that makes you uneasy at all (and it should since you all know you have not lived a perfect life) why is it so easy for you to start RUMORS about someone else? You have very poor evidence and I could easily come up with better evidence against some of you that hide behind computer screens thinking you can assault people on a message board. Even if I wans't a creationist I cetainly wouldn't have anything to do with people that belittle people like grade school bullies.

 

[D. Scarlatti]

Project 86 vaguely projects: I wonder what the evolutionists that post on here would think if we dug up dirt on all of them. Find out every time they broke the law even if they didn't get caught and posted every lie they ever told. Hmm I could easily do that, is that a challenge?

What are you talking about, specifically?

Project 86 continues vaguely: If that makes you uneasy at all (and it should since you all know you have not lived a perfect life) why is it so easy for you to start RUMORS about someone else?

Who are you talking about, specifically? What rumors?

Project 86 continues: You have very poor evidence ...

What evidence are you talking about? Why is it poor?

Project 86 threatens: ... and I could easily come up with better evidence against some of you that hide behind computer screens thinking you can assault people on a message board.

Oh. So you're talking about the undisputed evidence of s0uljah's blatant plagiarism, is that right? Have you seen it?

Project 86 concludes: Even if I wasn't a creationist I cetainly wouldn't have anything to do with people that belittle people like grade school bullies.

I am a proponent of academic integrity. I believe plagiarism should be exposed. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

"What are you talking about, specifically?"

Just read this tread.

"Who are you talking about, specifically? What rumors?"

Just read this thread.

"What evidence are you talking about? Why is it poor?"

Just read this thread and where the posters get this evidence from.

"Oh. So you're talking about the undisputed evidence of s0uljah's blatant plagiarism, is that right? Have you seen it?"

Like I warned you before you shouldn't be attacking posters like you seem to love to attack him in another thread. This IS a CHRISTIAN forum!

"I am a proponent of academic integrity. I believe plagiarism should be exposed. Do you have a problem with that?"

He told you information where he got it from so your making false claims. Mud slinging by you only makes what you say less reliable.

 

[D. Scarlatti]

Project 86 "warns": Like I warned you before you shouldn't be attacking posters like you seem to love to attack him in another thread.

If you call exposing blatant plagiarism an "attack," then you have a pretty skewed view of things. That was no "attack." If s0uljah can't handle having his dishonesty exposed, maybe he shouldn't have claimed to have written what he clearly didn't write in the first place. Did you consider that option?

Project 86 claims : This IS a CHRISTIAN forum!

So I hear. That's part of what makes s0uljah's plagiarism even more remarkable. That someone who claims to be a Christian could be so baldly dishonest about having written something he so clearly and undisputedly did not write is not exactly a model of "Christian behavior" now is it? At the very least is not "honesty" a hallmark of "Christian behavior"?

project 86: He told you information where he got it from so your making false claims. Mud slinging by you only makes what you say less reliable.

Wrong. He claimed, several times, to have written the essay. He didn't write the essay, and that's been demonstrated, conclusively. Reality is a wonderful place. You should visit it sometime.

I have made no false claims. And let me tell you I am not going to lie down and watch s0uljah's blatantly dishonest exercise in practically wholesale plagiarism be turned into an "attack," as you would say, against those that exposed it.