Kent Hovind

[Billy the Kid]

I was wondering why a lot of people think he is not a good scientist? If you are wondering why I think this, it is because I have heard people say bad things about him in this forum.
Thank you for you time

 

[mac_philo]

He got his degree from a correspondence school, his Ph.D. dissertation was not scientific, he doesn't do science, he doesn't publish experiments, he doesn't participate in the scientific community, and he's a propagandist.

 

[mac_philo]

To protect myself against inevitable attacks:

No, I don't believe that people who study at correspondence schools are all incompetent.

That said, there are such things as 'diploma mills.' These places sell degrees for money. Patriot University, where Hovind bought his PHD, is a diploma mill.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Follow the link to see a picture of patriot university (no ivy growing on the walls) and some stuff about hovind's education (and tax problems).

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/hovind/wild_hovind.html

 

[mac_philo]

If you're a charismatic speaker, there's a lot of money to be made in this racket. Tell the flat earthers what they want to hear and they'll pay to attend your rallies/buy your vhs tapes/subscribe to your newsletter/etc.

I'd do it on the side for extra money but I don't think I could prevent myself from laughing onstage.

 

[Billy the Kid]

So who do you know that is a really good Creationist scientist? Or does every one here believes in Evolution?

 

[mac_philo]

I don't know what you mean by Creation Scientist. Creationism is not a science, so there's no science to be done, so there aren't creation scientists in that sense.

If you just mean scientists who believe in creation over evolution, I'm sure there are several well-educated, eloquent people who fall into that category. The link provided above describes a couple.

The media savvy of the ID movement has convinced many people that there are 'creation scientists.' Well, there are no academic departments of creation science, there are no journals, and there are no experimental research programs. There are eloquent people who quibble with the theory of evolution; that doesn't make them scientists.

 

[Billy the Kid]

Well, I meant what you said, "...scientists who believe in creation over evolution..." I was just looking for some one who goes by the Bible and not some thing humans made up.
I don't mean to offend any one by the last statement. It is my belief.

 

[mac_philo]

Umm... nothing offended me. Put perhaps we've all offended Mr., excuse me, DR. Hovind.

But if you think science is 'made up,' what it your motivation for finding these 'creation scientists'? Why bother?

 

[Billy the Kid]

Science is a good thing to know. You can learn about the sun, stars, moon, planets, earth, and about everything in the universe has science related to it. Including sports. I'm just looking for some one who bases his findings from the Bible. I don't believe in Evolution. That's all. I can believe in other science related topics, but not Evolution.
I know others believe different things, so I'm not going to agrue. I'm not agrueing with you right now, just stating what I believe

 

[mac_philo]

You may as well search for a round square--no science is 'based on the bible.' Science is based in observable fact. What you're looking for is an oxymoron. Anything based on the bible is biblical scholarship, not science.

 

[Billy the Kid]

I'm just saying that I don't want to get information from someone who thinks we evolved over millions of years.

 

[mac_philo]

Well, you should probably stop listening to your family doctor, then.

 

[Billy the Kid]

Well, I haven't been sick for almost 3 years

 

[elephanticity]

30a2, i'd suggest the site Answers In Genesis...at the very least they update their science now and then. If you do a net search, you should be able to find it.

Be sure you go to Answers In Genesis, not the rebuttal site, No Answers In Genesis.

I'd avoid the daylights out of Hovind, even other creationists distance themselves from him.

 

[mac_philo]

Even better would be to simply express your belief in creationism without backing it up using fraudulent pseudoscience. You believe what you believe; it's clear science isn't going to change your mind. What's the point in using bad science to support what you're going to believe anyway?

 

[newworldcrusader]

Did you know that modern science is based on the jewish religion?

 

[newworldcrusader]

hellow look in Jerimia ( i hope that is spelled right) 20 or 21 It talks about the Earth being round! Before any one else! There are loots ofthings that the Bible predicks tells or shows great sciencetific discoveries before they were found! Sorry I can't spell

 

[BigJon]

its appearant that people do not understand what Mr. Hovind is saying, I've seen his video series and am quite impressed how he follows the Bible and his proof is more or less common sense, his main point against evolution and evolutionist prove this time and time again is that evolution is not fact and is not proved by true science, in it fact is a belief system which in turn makes it a religion Religion as defined by Merriam Webster : "4. a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith."

It takes a creative mind to come up with such non-sense as to believe that man came from apes.

The strongest trait of any evolutionist is the ability to argue theories (no matter how ofton they are disproved) as facts.

And as for Mr. Hovind I've seen his work and my opion goes as follows: He follows God's word and that in its self is a proven way to have your self targeted by those whom you prove wrong.

 

[mac_philo]

If he's so impressive why didn't you take away anything of substance from his videos? You've posted several assertions and a dictionary definition.