Kent Hovind thinks broccoli was designed by God!

[The Barbarian]

Why don't you listen to Hovind's teaching.

Because he's a criminal. Because he has lied to people about God's creation. Stuff like that.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Because he's a criminal. Because he has lied to people about God's creation. Stuff like that.

He had a problem with paying taxes. He thought he was a church and he should be exempt. Usually the government will work out a settlement. I told him he needed to work with the government because they can be very reasonable if you cooperate with them. But he wanted to be hard headed and he ended up getting put in jail. Over what he said was "nothing". If it was nothing then why did he not work out a settlement with them? Although 9 years seems extreme to me. Anything over a year would be extreme under the circumstances.

 

[The Barbarian]

The Fibonacci sequence is much more interesting than that. The Golden section, about 1.6180, is a key value in a lot of different things. It's a consequence of being perhaps the simplest self-organizing principle in a three-dimensional world. There are other ways of efficiently organizing seeds in a seed head, for example, but they are more complex, and more subject to problems.

So natural selection found the simplest method over time. Humans find it attractive, because we're attuned to finding meaning in nature. And you see it in a lot of human constructs:

 

[The Barbarian]

He had a problem with paying taxes.

And in telling the truth under oath. And in various other things. He's got a history of difficulty with the law.

On August 15, 2002 Hovind was arrested for assault, battery, and burglary in an incident with a CSE secretary. The charges were dropped in December.

On September 13, 2002, Hovind was charged with failure to observe county zoning regulations for Dinosaur Adventure Land, a misdemeanor.[29] In April 2006, the Dinosaur Adventure Land buildings were closed by county officials, and the Florida circuit court found the owners in contempt, ordering fines of $500 for each day the buildings were used.[34] Hovind argued he did not need a permit due to the nature of the building, but after a 5-year court battle over the $50 building permit, on June 5, 2006, Hovind pleaded nolo contendere as charged to three counts: constructing a building without a permit, refusing to sign a citation,[110] and violating the county building code.[34][111] Hovind paid fines totaling $675

Hovind was originally reported to the Internal Revenue Service by Pensacola Christian College senior vice president Rebekah Horton in the mid 1990s, after she learned of Hovind's anti-tax stand.[112] Hovind's organization had neither business licenses nor tax-exempt status,[21] nor was it considered a church by people who worked there.[113][114] The ministry's organizational structure was described by the United States Tax Court as appearing to be "based on various questionable trust documents purchased from Glen Stoll, a known promoter of tax avoidance schemes", leading the Court to conclude that Hovind used these trust documents as well as other fraudulent means to conceal the ownership and control of his activities and properties.[115]

According to the IRS, Hovind earned $50,000 a year through speaking engagements,[notes 4][5] and in 2002 alone, CSE sold more than $1.8 million in merchandise.[116] On average, Hovind made bank deposits in excess of $1 million each year,[117] and eventually that grew to about $2 million a year.[118][119] About half that income went to employees who were salaried or were paid hourly wages. However, Hovind derived "substantial revenue" from these activities that appeared to be "income to [him] personally".[115]

On March 1, 1996, Hovind filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition to avoid paying federal income taxes, claiming he was not a citizen of the United States and that he did not earn income.[120] He claimed that as a minister, everything he owned belonged to God and he was not subject to paying taxes for doing God's work.[121] On June 5, 1996, the Court dismissed Hovind's bankruptcy case, finding he had lied about his possessions and income. The court upheld the IRS's determination that his claim "was filed in bad faith for the sole purpose of avoiding payment of federal income taxes" and called Hovind's arguments "patently absurd". It also said that "the IRS has no record of the debtor ever having filed a federal income tax return."[120]

In 1998, the IRS requested account information about Hovind from an internet provider after Hovind made claims on an internet broadcast about his own tax law noncompliance, going back to the 1970s. When the provider initially balked, the courts granted a subpoena on the basis that the IRS could demonstrate that Hovind had received income but had filed no income tax returns going back to 1991.[122] In 2003, Hovind would tell The New York Times, "I haven't filed a tax return in 30 years."[123]

On May 13, 1998, Hovind and his wife filed a "Power of Attorney and Revocation of Signature" document in Escambia County which would nullify any of their promises, debts, or legal agreements made prior to April 15, 1998. The Hovinds claimed they had signed government documents "due to the use of various elements of fraud and misrepresentations, duress, coercion, under perjury, mistake, 'bankruptcy'," and argued that Social Security is a "Ponzi scheme". The document referred to the United States Government as "the 'bankrupt' corporate government", renounced the Hovinds' United States citizenship and Social Security numbers to become "a natural citizen of 'America' and a natural sojourner", and referred to their home state of Florida as "the State of Florida Body-Politic Corporation."[124] Judges and the IRS did not appear to honor this as a legally relevant document in future decisions.[125] In 2002, Hovind was again delinquent in paying his taxes, and unsuccessfully sued the IRS for harassment.[125]

At various times, the government alleged that Hovind had not filed personal U.S. federal income tax returns for the years 1989 through 1997.[126] In the spring of 2004, the IRS conducted an audit and criminal investigation regarding Hovind's unfiled personal Federal income tax for 1995 through 1997.[115] IRS agent Scott Schneider said, "Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years, which would require the filing of federal income taxes."[21] On June 3, 2004, the IRS executed a search warrant on Hovind's home and businesses to confiscate financial records and attempt to deliver notices of Federal tax liens of $504,957.24, which Hovind refused to accept.[115][127][128] Agents confiscated $42,000 in cash found in various places in the residence. Six guns were present, including an SKS semiautomatic rifle.[125] That day, Hovind withdrew $70,000 from the CSE bank account, half in cash.[129]

Kent Hovind v Commissioner of Internal Revenue
On July 7, 2006, the United States Tax Court found that Hovind was deficient in paying his federal income taxes in 1995–1997, totaling $520,099. The Tax Court ruled that the IRS had a valid lien on Hovind's property and said that Hovind's defense was based on "bizarre arguments, some of which constitute tax protester arguments involving excise taxes and the alleged '100% voluntary' nature of the income tax."[115] With penalties, he owed $3.3 million for tax years 1998–2006 by 2013.[130][131] Jo Hovind was ordered to pay $1.6 million.[3][130]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

There's a lot more. Scamming religious people for donations is one thing. Trying to scam the IRS is quite another.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Trying to scam the IRS is quite another.

It all caught up with him. My experience with the government has always been good. I worked with enough building inspectors and I never had any problems at all. Those guys will bend over backwards for you if you show a little bit of cooperation. The problem with Hovind is that it is so quick and easy for him to raise money to bail him out so that he never learned his lesson until the judge finally threw the book at him. Maybe Hovind never read the scripture: "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." Romans 13:1

 

[BGW]

Genesis 1-11 isn't science. It's a myth. The word myth sounds derogatory, but think of it like one of Jesus' parables.
I'm also not a big fan of Kent Hovind's heretical beliefs. I'm not too fond of cultist KJV onlyist Baptists.

This is exactly what is wrong with today's 'Christianity'. You can not just believe parts of Bible that you like. Genesis is NOT a myth. It is part of the holy word of God. It is the foundational book of the Bible. Everything else is directly related to that book. Why do you think Satan attacks Genesis as much as he does. Evolution, Gap theory, Big Bang are all the Devil's idea to destroy what really happened. God created everything in six literal days and rested on the seventh. Adam and Eve's sin caused the curse of mankind and creation. Jesus came and redeemed it all on the cross. Without Genesis, why does Jesus have to die? It's all connected. If Satan can get people to believe God did not create everything, then why follow a God that may not even exist. Just live the way you want to, right?

Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, and Ray Comfort are men of God who stand up to for their beliefs. I would suggest people truly look into what they are teaching. It will impact your life and strengthen your walk with Jesus.

Answers in Genesis
https://www.bhivestories.com/
BGW (@bwtw9) | Twitter

 

[BGW]

And in telling the truth under oath. And in various other things. He's got a history of difficulty with the law.

On August 15, 2002 Hovind was arrested for assault, battery, and burglary in an incident with a CSE secretary. The charges were dropped in December.

On September 13, 2002, Hovind was charged with failure to observe county zoning regulations for Dinosaur Adventure Land, a misdemeanor.[29] In April 2006, the Dinosaur Adventure Land buildings were closed by county officials, and the Florida circuit court found the owners in contempt, ordering fines of $500 for each day the buildings were used.[34] Hovind argued he did not need a permit due to the nature of the building, but after a 5-year court battle over the $50 building permit, on June 5, 2006, Hovind pleaded nolo contendere as charged to three counts: constructing a building without a permit, refusing to sign a citation,[110] and violating the county building code.[34][111] Hovind paid fines totaling $675

Hovind was originally reported to the Internal Revenue Service by Pensacola Christian College senior vice president Rebekah Horton in the mid 1990s, after she learned of Hovind's anti-tax stand.[112] Hovind's organization had neither business licenses nor tax-exempt status,[21] nor was it considered a church by people who worked there.[113][114] The ministry's organizational structure was described by the United States Tax Court as appearing to be "based on various questionable trust documents purchased from Glen Stoll, a known promoter of tax avoidance schemes", leading the Court to conclude that Hovind used these trust documents as well as other fraudulent means to conceal the ownership and control of his activities and properties.[115]

According to the IRS, Hovind earned $50,000 a year through speaking engagements,[notes 4][5] and in 2002 alone, CSE sold more than $1.8 million in merchandise.[116] On average, Hovind made bank deposits in excess of $1 million each year,[117] and eventually that grew to about $2 million a year.[118][119] About half that income went to employees who were salaried or were paid hourly wages. However, Hovind derived "substantial revenue" from these activities that appeared to be "income to [him] personally".[115]

On March 1, 1996, Hovind filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition to avoid paying federal income taxes, claiming he was not a citizen of the United States and that he did not earn income.[120] He claimed that as a minister, everything he owned belonged to God and he was not subject to paying taxes for doing God's work.[121] On June 5, 1996, the Court dismissed Hovind's bankruptcy case, finding he had lied about his possessions and income. The court upheld the IRS's determination that his claim "was filed in bad faith for the sole purpose of avoiding payment of federal income taxes" and called Hovind's arguments "patently absurd". It also said that "the IRS has no record of the debtor ever having filed a federal income tax return."[120]

In 1998, the IRS requested account information about Hovind from an internet provider after Hovind made claims on an internet broadcast about his own tax law noncompliance, going back to the 1970s. When the provider initially balked, the courts granted a subpoena on the basis that the IRS could demonstrate that Hovind had received income but had filed no income tax returns going back to 1991.[122] In 2003, Hovind would tell The New York Times, "I haven't filed a tax return in 30 years."[123]

On May 13, 1998, Hovind and his wife filed a "Power of Attorney and Revocation of Signature" document in Escambia County which would nullify any of their promises, debts, or legal agreements made prior to April 15, 1998. The Hovinds claimed they had signed government documents "due to the use of various elements of fraud and misrepresentations, duress, coercion, under perjury, mistake, 'bankruptcy'," and argued that Social Security is a "Ponzi scheme". The document referred to the United States Government as "the 'bankrupt' corporate government", renounced the Hovinds' United States citizenship and Social Security numbers to become "a natural citizen of 'America' and a natural sojourner", and referred to their home state of Florida as "the State of Florida Body-Politic Corporation."[124] Judges and the IRS did not appear to honor this as a legally relevant document in future decisions.[125] In 2002, Hovind was again delinquent in paying his taxes, and unsuccessfully sued the IRS for harassment.[125]

At various times, the government alleged that Hovind had not filed personal U.S. federal income tax returns for the years 1989 through 1997.[126] In the spring of 2004, the IRS conducted an audit and criminal investigation regarding Hovind's unfiled personal Federal income tax for 1995 through 1997.[115] IRS agent Scott Schneider said, "Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years, which would require the filing of federal income taxes."[21] On June 3, 2004, the IRS executed a search warrant on Hovind's home and businesses to confiscate financial records and attempt to deliver notices of Federal tax liens of $504,957.24, which Hovind refused to accept.[115][127][128] Agents confiscated $42,000 in cash found in various places in the residence. Six guns were present, including an SKS semiautomatic rifle.[125] That day, Hovind withdrew $70,000 from the CSE bank account, half in cash.[129]

Kent Hovind v Commissioner of Internal Revenue
On July 7, 2006, the United States Tax Court found that Hovind was deficient in paying his federal income taxes in 1995–1997, totaling $520,099. The Tax Court ruled that the IRS had a valid lien on Hovind's property and said that Hovind's defense was based on "bizarre arguments, some of which constitute tax protester arguments involving excise taxes and the alleged '100% voluntary' nature of the income tax."[115] With penalties, he owed $3.3 million for tax years 1998–2006 by 2013.[130][131] Jo Hovind was ordered to pay $1.6 million.[3][130]
Kent Hovind - Wikipedia

There's a lot more. Scamming religious people for donations is one thing. Trying to scam the IRS is quite another.

So, King David having an affair with another man's wife and having him killed in battle discredits everything about him. So, Moses killing an Egyptian discredits him. So, Noah getting drunk discredits him. So, Abraham lying about Sara being his wife and having a baby with the maid discredits him.

Have I made my point?? We are sinners saved by Grace. Church doesn't save us. Baptism doesn't save us. Only by the blood of Christ are we saved. That's it.

If you are without fault, cast the first stone, my brother.

https://www.bhivestories.com/
BGW (@bwtw9) | Twitter

 

[JacksBratt]

This is exactly what is wrong with today's 'Christianity'. You can not just believe parts of Bible that you like. Genesis is NOT a myth. It is part of the holy word of God. It is the foundational book of the Bible. Everything else is directly related to that book. Why do you think Satan attacks Genesis as much as he does. Evolution, Gap theory, Big Bang are all the Devil's idea to destroy what really happened. God created everything in six literal days and rested on the seventh. Adam and Eve's sin caused the curse of mankind and creation. Jesus came and redeemed it all on the cross. Without Genesis, why does Jesus have to die? It's all connected. If Satan can get people to believe God did not create everything, then why follow a God that may not even exist. Just live the way you want to, right?

Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, and Ray Comfort are men of God who stand up to for their beliefs. I would suggest people truly look into what they are teaching. It will impact your life and strengthen your walk with Jesus.

Answers in Genesis
https://www.bhivestories.com/
BGW (@bwtw9) | Twitter

This is so true.. And as I have said before, Christians love to cherry pick the parts of the bible that they take as truth... They do this so that they can avoid debate with professors, science, and academia over all.

Academia is so entrenched with anti God, atheistic, Darwinian religious dogma that no student can achieve accreditation without condemning much of the truth of the bible.

They either accept it as truth or regurgitate it as required to achieve scholarly acceptance, grades and degrees... or they fail.

I believe that the very life and work of Christ would also be dismissed as myth, allegory or metaphorical writings... if not for the simple fact that the eternal salvation of our souls depends on it.

If we think about it, from the birth of Christ, from a virgin, to His making water to wine, feeding 5000, walking on water, giving sight to the blind, curing leprosy..right up to defeating death... it is some of the most supernatural parts and events of the biblical records.

Yet, people hang on to these miraculous events like their soul depends on it... because it does.

However, they dismiss the six literal days, talking snake, the global flood, talking donkey, parting of the red sea, men surviving a fiery furnace, giants in the land, and a whole myriad of other events....all due to the fact that some other humans disagree with it. Some other human has written something or saw something and now... even Christians are lead to dismiss the truth of the bible.

The bible states that "those who claim to be wise will be shown to be fools" God says that the wisdom of men is foolishness. Remember? Let God be true and every man a liar?

I can understand that those without faith have trouble believing the biblical accounts... This is due to their being blind to it..

What really confuses me is that Christians.... children of God.. will follow these anti biblical views... when they should be very aware of the truth contained in God's word.

They will say.. "my salvation doesn't depend on this and that" or "that has nothing to do with salvation"....

I disagree... the entire bible is a factor in our salvation... In the OT Christ concealed in the NT Christ revealed....

You cannot just pick and choose what you want to be truth.

 

[The Barbarian]

So, King David having an affair with another man's wife and having him killed in battle discredits everything about him.

Not the sort of person you'd take any moral instruction from, um?

So, Moses killing an Egyptian discredits him.

Killing a man who was in the process of killing another person doesn't. Why would you think that?

So, Noah getting drunk discredits him.

If he got drunk and committed felonies, yes, that would discredit him.

So, Abraham lying about Sara being his wife

He was convinced he would be killed if they knew he was married to her. Yes, it discredits him.

and having a baby with the maid discredits him.

Since God permitted polygamy, and his wife encouraged it, why would that discredit him?

Have I made my point??

You seem to have made my point.

 

[JacksBratt]

Not the sort of person you'd take any moral instruction from, um?



Killing a man who was in the process of killing another person doesn't. Why would you think that?



If he got drunk and committed felonies, yes, that would discredit him.



He was convinced he would be killed if they knew he was married to her. Yes, it discredits him.



Since God permitted polygamy, and his wife encouraged it, why would that discredit him?



You seem to have made my point.

No Offence, Barbarian, but what you have just shown is how we, as humans, judge other humans.

God, on the other hand, held these men in high standing. One He even called "a man after my own heart".

So, IMO, we should be very careful how we judge others. Kent Hovind is, also a man after God's heart.

I may not agree with everything he says or all his views but he is a very wise, knowledgeable and forthright man of God.

I totally believe that his whole arrest was to try to shut him up.

 

[BGW]

This is so true.. And as I have said before, Christians love to cherry pick the parts of the bible that they take as truth... They do this so that they can avoid debate with professors, science, and academia over all.

Academia is so entrenched with anti God, atheistic, Darwinian religious dogma that no student can achieve accreditation without condemning much of the truth of the bible.

They either accept it as truth or regurgitate it as required to achieve scholarly acceptance, grades and degrees... or they fail.

I believe that the very life and work of Christ would also be dismissed as myth, allegory or metaphorical writings... if not for the simple fact that the eternal salvation of our souls depends on it.

If we think about it, from the birth of Christ, from a virgin, to His making water to wine, feeding 5000, walking on water, giving sight to the blind, curing leprosy..right up to defeating death... it is some of the most supernatural parts and events of the biblical records.

Yet, people hang on to these miraculous events like their soul depends on it... because it does.

However, they dismiss the six literal days, talking snake, the global flood, talking donkey, parting of the red sea, men surviving a fiery furnace, giants in the land, and a whole myriad of other events....all due to the fact that some other humans disagree with it. Some other human has written something or saw something and now... even Christians are lead to dismiss the truth of the bible.

The bible states that "those who claim to be wise will be shown to be fools" God says that the wisdom of men is foolishness. Remember? Let God be true and every man a liar?

I can understand that those without faith have trouble believing the biblical accounts... This is due to their being blind to it..

What really confuses me is that Christians.... children of God.. will follow these anti biblical views... when they should be very aware of the truth contained in God's word.

They will say.. "my salvation doesn't depend on this and that" or "that has nothing to do with salvation"....

I disagree... the entire bible is a factor in our salvation... In the OT Christ concealed in the NT Christ revealed....

You cannot just pick and choose what you want to be truth.

I completely agree with your comments. Also, the church in general needs to realize it's about spreading truth and standing up for what the Bible says. Quit trying to appease the world by compromising the gospel. It isn't a popularity contest. The world wants to destroy God and the Bible. They come after it with no regrets. Why can't the church understand that? It's time to realize we are in a spiritual battle and take a stand.

 

[The Barbarian]

No Offence, Barbarian, but what you have just shown is how we, as humans, judge other humans.

No offense taken. We can disagree without offense. A man who commits adultery with another man's wife and then arranges to kill that man, is definitely not a good man.

God, on the other hand, held these men in high standing. One He even called "a man after my own heart".

That's what He said before David turned from Him, and violated His commandments.

So, IMO, we should be very careful how we judge others. Kent Hovind is, also a man after God's heart.

We are told to obey those set over us. Which, in a nation of laws, means obeying the law. Hovind broke the law. He was not doing God's will in breaking the law.

I totally believe that his whole arrest was to try to shut him up.

What happens to other people who break that same law?

 

[JacksBratt]

No offense taken. We can disagree without offense. A man who commits adultery with another man's wife and then arranges to kill that man, is definitely not a good man.

In God's eye's.. a sin is a sin... Repentance is repentance, Forgiveness is forgiveness.
David is an example that our God is a forgiving God.

That's what He said before David turned from Him, and violated His commandments.

Oh, I see.. David didn't break any commandments before this? David was a man. David was a sinner. David was repentant and was forgiven.

We are told to obey those set over us. Which, in a nation of laws, means obeying the law. Hovind broke the law. He was not doing God's will in breaking the law.

I see where you stand on this.

Others see it differently.

 

[The Barbarian]

In God's eye's.. a sin is a sin... Repentance is repentance, Forgiveness is forgiveness.

I merely don't agree that committing adultery and then arranging the death of the woman's husband is of like mind with God, Who forbade both of those things.

David is an example that our God is a forgiving God.

The fact remains; a man who does those things is not of like mind with God, even if he had been at one time.

Oh, I see.. David didn't break any commandments before this?

Far as we know, no. At least not any commandments of God.

David was a man. David was a sinner.

Lots of men go an entire lifetime without committing adultery or killing their lover's husband.

David was repentant and was forgiven.

If he returned to God afterwards, perhaps so. But the fact remains.

As far as Hovind being a criminal, that's contrary to God's will; He says we are to obey those set over us. In America, that's the laws according to the Constitution.

I see where you stand on this.

I'm just pointing out what God says.

Romans 13:6 That’s also why you pay taxes. The authorities serve God. Ruling takes up all their time. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them. Do you owe taxes? Then pay them. Do you owe anything else to the government? Then pay it.

Others see it differently.

God doesn't. That's good enough for me.

 

[BGW]

Not the sort of person you'd take any moral instruction from, um?



Killing a man who was in the process of killing another person doesn't. Why would you think that?



If he got drunk and committed felonies, yes, that would discredit him.



He was convinced he would be killed if they knew he was married to her. Yes, it discredits him.



Since God permitted polygamy, and his wife encouraged it, why would that discredit him?



You seem to have made my point.

You missed my point. We are all sinners destined to hell. Unless, we repent of our sin and put our complete trust in Jesus are we saved. Abraham, Moses, David were all men of God. The Bible says so. But, they were also flawed men. Difference being they acknowledge their sin, and were all about following God. I guess I am trying to say Hovind's IRS issue doesn't discredit what he is saying about creation. He is Bibical sound when it comes to that, just as Ken Ham.

To clarify one comment you made about polygamy. God says in Genesis marriage is between a man and a woman. Not 2 or 3 women. Just because some decided to have multiple wives doesn't mean it was right. Again, flawed men following God. Just like all other Christian's. Remember, only Jesus walked a perfect life.

 

[The Barbarian]

You missed my point. We are all sinners destined to hell. Unless, we repent of our sin and put our complete trust in Jesus are we saved.

Doesn't seem like a very effective deflection; Hovind defied God and paid the price. As you see, God tells us what we are to do:

Romans 13:6 That’s also why you pay taxes. The authorities serve God. Ruling takes up all their time. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them. Do you owe taxes? Then pay them. Do you owe anything else to the government? Then pay it.

I guess I am trying to say Hovind's IRS issue doesn't discredit what he is saying about creation.

It merely says he's a liar who will break the law when it suits him. His corruption of God's word is another issue, of course.

To clarify one comment you made about polygamy. God says in Genesis marriage is between a man and a woman.

God permitted polygamy, even specifying rules for it, in Exodus:

Exodus 21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm surprised Kent Hovind made the same error Ray Comfort made. Kent even quotes the Wikipedia article on broccoli, only to ignore that the article states broccoli was bred by farmers.

Bi-color sweet corn also came from God, through His original design and help from man.

 

[The Barbarian]

Bi-color sweet corn also came from God, through His original design and help from man.

Actually...

This is what God did. No design there, just the natural processes He uses for most things in this world. The stuff you're talking about was designed by man, slowly by selecting the mutations they liked over a long period of time.

This is kinda like the old Ray Comfort story, "God designed the banana." Man designed bananas too,using something else God created.

If this is confusing, just remember:

"Man has to design, because he cannot create. God creates, because He doesn't have to design."

 

[SkyWriting]

Actually...
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This is what God did. No design there, just the natural processes He uses for most things in this world. The stuff you're talking about was designed by man, slowly by selecting the mutations they liked over a long period of time.

This is kinds like the old Ray Comfort story, "God designed the banana." Man designed bananas, too,using something else God created.

If this is confusing, just remember:

"Man has to design, because he cannot create. God creates, because He doesn't have to design."

And God is the supreme engineer. Nothing in nature is random.
The Cosmos is pure intelligent design.

 

[The Barbarian]

And God is the supreme engineer.

"Engineering" is what limited creatures do. Creationists are unwilling to have a God so wise and powerful that he can create. Ironic, um?

Nothing in nature is random.

Darwin's great discovery is that evolution isn't random. You're wising up.

The Cosmos is pure intelligent design.

Sorry, the "space alien" designer of the IDers is way too weak and limited to have created this universe.