None of it means they actually had relations with her - just that they were claiming to have done so. Even if they never laid a finger on her, it's still a pretty crude thing to do.
I've said some pretty crude things in my life. Though I've never falsely claimed to have bedded anyone, I'm sure some of the other guys in my senior class did at one time or another. But I don't recall anyone ever memorializing it, or any of our other crude in-jokes, in print like this. Maybe I just went to a better class of Catholic school.
That's a leap considering the ambiguous nature of the rhyme. It is not at all clear any of them are alleging or suggesting to have had sexual relations with Renate.
The issue is the spreading of rumors, not the finding someone to be attractive.
Again, spreading malicious rumours is not healthy, kind or respectful.
I can't wait to hear the hilarious alternative explanation you clearly have in mind..
Sure, yeah - by the standards required to legally convict someone, there's enough ambiguity there to establish doubt.
But when I see a bunch of boorish high school party dudes cracking jokes about being "alumni" of a girl and writing poems about how she's a cheap/easy date... You don't have to be a literary scholar to know what the heck they're talking about. It's not like these yearbook captions were deep, flowery prose laced with nuance and arcane references.
But you’ve imposed your own meaning onto the poem. Bravo on the circular argument.
The issue is whether the rhyme is about Renate being a “cheap/easy date.” You summarily concluding that the rhyme is about Renate as a cheap and easy date begs the question, it’s circular argument.
The rhyme is ambiguous. Your interpretation may or may not be accurate. It’s not at all clear or known that your interpretation is correct.
Abstain from all appearance of evil. It looks like something that it's not. Even if I was best friends with a mans wife, I would not go to their house before her husband got home. Doesn't look right. No need for me to even be alone with her. Same could be said with me being a married man. Why go somewhere and hang around with a woman, or women alone? But if my wife is sitting there, who can say I'm seeing another women? Or suspect me in doing something wrong.
Secondly, women can lie as well. Or even misinterpret your intentions. So having another person there just helps.
I get what you are saying.
I think it's more that they question an alleged supposition of 4 years in high school over decades of service as a credible man.
I believe they should be charged and face an equal time in jail that the accused was facing if the accusation can be proven to be malice.
If you think there is anything subtle about me... you have got to be the only one. I make it a point to be as blunt as possible.
Maybe I misconveyed myself. I thought I pointed out I was talking about going to parties and the like. It almost appears that some are saying that because he went to a party or had sex in high school he cannot be anything of merit in life.
Rape is never ok. Ever.
But you’ve imposed your own meaning onto the poem. Bravo on the circular argument.
The issue is whether the rhyme is about Renate being a “cheap/easy date.”
You summarily concluding that the rhyme is about Renate as a cheap and easy date begs the question, it’s circular argument.
The rhyme is ambiguous. Your interpretation may or may not be accurate. It’s not at all clear or known that your interpretation is correct.
It's not ambigious in the slightest, and these attempts to put a non-sleazy spin on it are frankly embarrassing.
"You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."
Tell me, counselor, what alternate interpretations can you read into this poem? Here are some I can think of:
Maybe Renate isn't the cheap/easy date. Maybe she's merely a purveyor of them - a madame, of sorts.
Or, maybe Renate is less madame and more broker or intermediary - a 1980s Tinder precursor, perhaps - negotiating and facilitating consensual transactions between two compatible parties who've both sought her services.
Or, maybe Renate is a kind, compassionate person, always willing to lend a listening ear and a comforting word to the hurting and downtrodden. Perhaps her reputation is as a healer, a source of quiet solace in times of lonely despair and desperation.
Or, maybe Renate was conducting some sort of social science research that involved documenting the dating struggles of her classmates who graciously supported her work by eagerly reporting their romantic status at regular intervals.
I suppose those are all plausible explanations, right?
I'm quite aware of that. But I'm awaiting alternate interpretations with at least some air of plausibility. Do you have any?
Assuming an interpretation isn't making a circular argument. Making a circular argument would require that I use my conclusion to prove itself.
Tell me, counselor, what alternate interpretations can you read into this poem?
The rhyme is literally about Renate's ability to respond in some sort of useful way to a dating deficiency. There aren't a lot of places to go with that.
She never says no to a date. She likes to make out on a date (non-sexual). They have all taken her out on a date and made out with her (again, non-sexual). To name a few.
And in today's episode of "What Did Judge Kavanaugh Do Now?":
Kavanaugh’s Yearbook Page Is ‘Horrible, Hurtful’ to a Woman It Named
One of the captions on ol' Brett's yearbook photo is "Renate Alumnius". Elsewhere throughout the yearbook are other variations on that theme, such as "Renate Alumnus" - all suggesting that the fine upstanding young men featured in the associated photos had some sort of.. er... relationship with a certain classmate, one Renate Schroeder Dolphin. So fond of her allegedly accommodating nature were they that another student even penned a poem in her honor:
“You need a date
And it’s getting late
So don’t hesitate
To call Renate.”
Nope. A circular argument is one in which your conclusion is a reason for the conclusion. The issue is the meaning of the poem. What does the poem mean? Your statement of, "But when I see a bunch of boorish high school party dudes cracking jokes about being "alumni" of a girl and writing poems about how she's a cheap/easy date," is a circular argument. You have essentially said, concluded, the poem is about Renate being a "cheap/easy date," and apparently this is because the poem means Renate is a "cheap/easy date." That's circular.
She never says no to a date. She likes to make out on a date (non-sexual). They have all taken her out on a date and made out with her (again, non-sexual). To name a few.
Were you there when the rhyme was written? Did you discuss the meaning of the rhyme with the author of the rhyme? Did you date Renate? Did you discuss dating her with the other boys who dated her? Did you discuss the meaning of the rhyme with the other boys?
Then despite you repeatedly concluding what the rhyme is "literally about," the meaning of the rhyme is unknown and ambiguous.
I find it very peculiar when a married man claims the can't be alone with women for fear of allegations of impropriety arising.
From the "article"
Bill Barbot, who was a freshman at Georgetown Prep when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior, said Judge Kavanaugh and his clique were part of the school’s “fratty” culture. “There was a lot of talk and presumably a lot of action about sexual conquest with girls,” Mr. Barbot said.
In the article there is more about the football players, him pictured with the football players etc.
So, are we to pre-judge people based on "talk", accusations and presumptions? ... guilt by association or are people innocent until proven guilty. Not to mention Marylands Statue of limitations (which in this case has expired), which like it or not is Marylands State law, so there is no criminal case. What good are laws if they are not followed? If laws need to be changed .... then there are processes to do that.
Should character be put on trial, can it be used as evidence? Our court system says no.
Character Evidence. Character is a general quality usually attributed to a person. Under criminal law, character evidence cannot be used in court to show that the person acted on a particular occasion in conformity with a particular character trait.
So what is really "on trial" here? Character
I'm I saying this didn't happen? No We don't know and likely never will and that being the case ..... character (innocent) ..... criminal (innocent) ... innocent until proven otherwise within statue of limitations.
So ..... women LEARN from this ..... report unwanted behavior when it happens or as soon as possible after it happens.
So similar to "For a good time call"?
That's your interpretation but your interpretation may not accurately reflect the meaning of the rhyme. Indeed, the content of the rhyme is not necessarily similar to the phrase "for a good time, call."
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