Kash Patel defies Elon Musk

[essentialsaltes]

Several administration officials tell workers not to reply to Musk email​

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard instructed personnel in U.S. spy agencies not to respond, according to the text of an email she sent to the workforce on Sunday, citing the agencies’ sensitive and classified work. Defense Department employees were given similar instructions to not respond, as were FBI personnel and Department of Homeland Security employees.

Employees at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency were told definitively to reply — a few hours before DHS sent a note saying the opposite. In some parts of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, staffers received instructions to draft a response but not send it yet. At other agencies, such as the Department of Health and Human Services, employees were first given one instruction only to be emailed later to pause and watch for more guidance Monday.

Musk’s threat also appears to contradict an assessment released on Feb. 5 by the Office of Personnel Management that concluded that any responses to government-wide emails must be “explicitly voluntary.”

The Musk Administration is off to a great start: unauthorized and confused.

 

[BPPLEE]

Who is he to demand anything from people who don't work for him or answer to him? Does Musk work for DOGE or is he merely an advisor to the co-president? If DOGE is an actual agency, then it is subject to agency laws, rules and regulations including FOIA and ethics disclosures. If it is not, then what authority does it have at all?

See post #58

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

All the Presidents Men don't seem to be on the same page.

 

[DaisyDay]

See post #58

Non-responsive. Does Musk work for DOGE or not? Is he an unpaid special advisor to the president with no official powers or authority or does he have a title under DOGE?

Musk is not an employee of DOGE and "has no actual or formal authority," White House says

The White House said in a legal filing that Tesla CEO Elon Musk isn't an employee of its Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

www.cbsnews.com

Since the president has "declared" that the old agency as setup by Congress is a different agency with different functions and responsibilities, which is pretty questionable legally, as an actual agency, it is subject to FOIA but it has been refusing to comply.

 

[BPPLEE]

Non-responsive. Does Musk work for DOGE or not? Is he an unpaid special advisor to the president with no official powers or authority or does he have a title under DOGE?

Musk is not an employee of DOGE and "has no actual or formal authority," White House says

The White House said in a legal filing that Tesla CEO Elon Musk isn't an employee of its Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

www.cbsnews.com

Since the president has "declared" that the old agency as setup by Congress is a different agency with different functions and responsibilities, which is pretty questionable legally, as an actual agency, it is subject to FOIA but it has been refusing to comply.

Good questions. Maybe you can post it when you find out

 

[Yttrium]

An awful lot of people were very satisfied with Trump being Trump the first time around.

That didn't happen the first time around. Trump was prevented from being Trump by the people around him. There are basically two kinds of people Trump can pick to have around him. There are the competent professionals who will inevitably get in his way and he will end up firing; and there are the ones who will do anything Trump wants. Trump tried it the first way the first time, and that didn't work out, so this time he specifically picked out people he can trust to let him do what he wants.

And this time it's Trump plus Musk. Some have been convinced that the most successful genius in the world is an idiot they can easily out-think. But that seems highly unlikely.

Musk is a genius, all right. He is incredible at pushing the manufacturing of innovative technology. But he's not an efficiency expert, and that's what he's being hired for. It's like taking a neurosurgeon and putting him in charge of Housing and Urban Development. You're going to get somebody who is inept at the job regardless of his talents. Musk is the kind of person who is very good at making people do more with less. Someone who cracks the whip. That's not efficiency, that's overworking people. That kind of thing might work out okay in manufacturing (depending on the situation), but it's not too compatible with service jobs that are already struggling to keep up with the customer flow. Well, unless he manages to replace the service jobs with AI. I'll be impressed if he pulls something like that off.

 

[ozso]

That didn't happen the first time around. Trump was prevented from being Trump by the people around him. There are basically two kinds of people Trump can pick to have around him. There are the competent professionals who will inevitably get in his way and he will end up firing; and there are the ones who will do anything Trump wants. Trump tried it the first way the first time, and that didn't work out, so this time he specifically picked out people he can trust to let him do what he wants.



Musk is a genius, all right. He is incredible at pushing the manufacturing of innovative technology. But he's not an efficiency expert, and that's what he's being hired for. It's like taking a neurosurgeon and putting him in charge of Housing and Urban Development. You're going to get somebody who is inept at the job regardless of his talents. Musk is the kind of person who is very good at making people do more with less. Someone who cracks the whip. That's not efficiency, that's overworking people. That kind of thing might work out okay in manufacturing (depending on the situation), but it's not too compatible with service jobs that are already struggling to keep up with the customer flow. Well, unless he manages to replace the service jobs with AI. I'll be impressed if he pulls something like that off.

SpaceX is basically the smarter twin of NASA, and that must require a ton of efficiency. As for Trump, him picking out people who will work with him only makes sense. The complaint that he's not choosing people who will obstruct him, is one of the strangest ones out there.

 

[iluvatar5150]

SpaceX is basically the smarter twin of NASA, and that must require a ton of efficiency.

What? Why must that have required a ton of efficiency?

 

[Yttrium]

SpaceX is basically the smarter twin of NASA, and that must require a ton of efficiency.

That's the job of the actual efficiency experts in the organization. Musk is the kind of guy who will drive those experts crazy trying to keep up with his edicts.

As for Trump, him picking out people who will work with him only makes sense. The complaint that he's not choosing people who will obstruct him, is one of the strangest ones out there.

That's because Trump is a strange guy. To get what he wants, Trump needs people who aren't going to let silly little things like the law and the Constitution get in Trump's way.

 

[Belk]

SpaceX is basically the smarter twin of NASA, and that must require a ton of efficiency.

Completely backwards. If NASA had as many rockets explode as Space X they would of been shut down.

As for Trump, him picking out people who will work with him only makes sense. The complaint that he's not choosing people who will obstruct him, is one of the strangest ones out there.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Completely backwards. If NASA had as many rockets explode as Space X they would of been shut down.

Seriously, this.

It's a lot easier to innovate when you're given the freedom to fail. Part of the reason the government is so wrapped up in rules and procedures is that, contrary to right-wing propaganda, they're under much more scrutiny than the private sector and when you put everything under a microscope like that, you incentivize people to be risk-averse.

 

[Yttrium]

Seriously, this.

It's a lot easier to innovate when you're given the freedom to fail. Part of the reason the government is so wrapped up in rules and procedures is that, contrary to right-wing propaganda, they're under much more scrutiny than the private sector and when you put everything under a microscope like that, you incentivize people to be risk-averse.

Efficiency isn't a priority in an organization that's changing so fast anyway. Innovation is the priority. Coming up with new ways to do things. Efficiency becomes important when you want to start mass producing things. A steel mill or a fast-food restaurant needs to be efficient. SpaceX does not.

 

[BPPLEE]

Seriously, this.

It's a lot easier to innovate when you're given the freedom to fail. Part of the reason the government is so wrapped up in rules and procedures is that, contrary to right-wing propaganda, they're under much more scrutiny than the private sector and when you put everything under a microscope like that, you incentivize people to be risk-averse.

And that's the best way to run things?

 

[iluvatar5150]

And that's the best way to run things?

What is the “that” to which you’re referring?

 

[BPPLEE]

What is the “that” to which you’re referring?

Putting everything under a microscope so that people don't take risks

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump administration tells agencies they can ignore Musk order on email reply​

The Office of Personnel Management told HR officials that employees wouldn’t be let go for not replying to an email asking what they did last week.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt, in a statement to The Washington Post, doubled down: “Everyone is working together as one unified team at the direction of President Trump. Any notion to the contrary is completely false.”

“There’s a full revolt going on right now,” said Doug Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum, a center-right think tank. “DOGE’s stated objective was to reorganize the agencies to meet their goals, but Cabinet heads want to run their own agencies, and they are objecting to the across-the-board cuts coming from Musk’s team.”

 

[BPPLEE]

Trump administration tells agencies they can ignore Musk order on email reply​

The Office of Personnel Management told HR officials that employees wouldn’t be let go for not replying to an email asking what they did last week.

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White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt, in a statement to The Washington Post, doubled down: “Everyone is working together as one unified team at the direction of President Trump. Any notion to the contrary is completely false.”

“There’s a full revolt going on right now,” said Doug Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum, a center-right think tank. “DOGE’s stated objective was to reorganize the agencies to meet their goals, but Cabinet heads want to run their own agencies, and they are objecting to the across-the-board cuts coming from Musk’s team.”

Yeah it's terrible. James Carville says that the Trump administration will implode in 30 days. ( He also said Kamala would win in a landslide)
Why is it that I don't see it as a problem that there are checks and balances on Musk and that he's going to make some mistakes but to others every day there is something else spelling disaster?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why is it that I don't see it as a problem that there are checks and balances on Musk

Checks and balances is how we refer to the three different branches of government. These checks and balances are coming from inside the executive branch.

Why do we have a commander in chief and a line of command? So people know whose orders they have to obey. Federal workers are being given contradictory orders.

and that he's going to make some mistakes but to others every day there is something else spelling disaster?

It looks like amateur hour at clown college.

 

[BPPLEE]

Checks and balances is how we refer to the three different branches of government. These checks and balances are coming from inside the executive branch.

Why do we have a commander in chief and a line of command? So people know whose orders they have to obey. Federal workers are being given contradictory orders.


It looks like amateur hour at clown college.

It looks like someone trying to straighten out a mess, there's going to be trial and error, success and failure.
What looks like a clown show is all the people crying "The sky is falling " just about every day and trying to tell us Trump is a failure when he's only been in office for a month.
The left is watering at the mouth for every negative piece of information they can get on Trump and Musk and everyday predicting their doom while the majority of Americans support what they are doing.
They are going to get some things wrong but I still believe that they will make corrections

 

[essentialsaltes]

It looks like someone trying to straighten out a mess, there's going to be trial and error, success and failure.

Trump and his team have had 4 years and more to figure out solutions, and what they have is some billionaire throwing freshly-made and untested spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks.

Firing and unfiring.
Ordering and unordering.
Freezing and unfreezing.

There's no reason you can't make deep cuts with a scalpel rather than a chainsaw.
And you're much less likely to lose a finger even if you don't have the faintest idea what you're doing.