Karl Rove

[MachZer0]

lol You didnt even read anything I said, bc all your questions were perfectly answered, but then you decided to ask the same questions again, as if I'm some kind of idiot that didnt catch it the first time. Its okay, really.

(MAch never listens to anything anyone says, no matter how truthful, does he?)

anyway, I think the people have spoken; the majority of people want to see that slime ball put away, regardless of what mach says. =)

I think you need to go back to school to learn about how your govt works. =)
good day,

dont be afraid to crack open that test book now! classes are enrolling as we speak! it'd do you some good, honestly.

If you want the "slime ball" put away, then you should have him properly investigated, arrested and charged by the appropriate officials. Hint: That wouldn't be Congress. Congress has subpoena power as it applies to conduct investigations that lead to legislation, seeing as how they are the legislative body, not the justice dept.

 

[reverend B]

No, I don't recall that. But I do recall him being the architect of two campaigns that beat the best the Democrts had to offer

i'll remind you. he circulated a letter that said that mccain had fathered a black child. in that state, the meer rumor of such a thing was enough to doom mccain's primary run there. very highbrow stuff, setting the stage for rove's national career. nothing is below this man. he and his boss made a perfect team.

 

[MachZer0]

i'll remind you. he circulated a letter that said that mccain had fathered a black child. in that state, the meer rumor of such a thing was enough to doom mccain's primary run there. very highbrow stuff, setting the stage for rove's national career. nothing is below this man. he and his boss made a perfect team.

What I don't recall is anyone ever actually demonstrating that Rove circulated said letter

 

[reverend B]

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/08/28/moore_rove_swift_boat/index1.html

pretty detailed vetting of his involvement, despite his "methinks he doth protest too much" denials. i know you won't value it, but the more reasonable people that peruse these boards will take it as good reporting.

 

[mpok1519]

who cares if its congress' job not to dish out justice?

the senate/house CAN do the investigating; the judicial branch can decide his fate.

You've never heard of a senate investigation? Congress is half made up of the senate y'know.

Mach, just admit it; Karl Rove ISNT a good guy. And if you defend him, that doesn't speak well for your character.

 

[MachZer0]

who cares if its congress' job not to dish out justice?

the senate/house CAN do the investigating; the judicial branch can decide his fate.

You've never heard of a senate investigation? Congress is half made up of the senate y'know.

I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way. The judicial branch cannot decide anything unless he has been charged. The judicial branch can't charge him and the Congress can't charge him. The only power the Congress has is that which is granted it by the Constitution. Unfortunately for your case (after all your accusations of me not understanding how our government works), that does not include criminal investigations

Mach, just admit it; Karl Rove ISNT a good guy. And if you defend him, that doesn't speak well for your character.

I've seen nothing wrong with Karl Rove. the only thing that makes him a "bad guy" is that he embarrassed the Democrats, TWICE

 

[Nathan Poe]

It's called the separation of powers. Again, what is the goal of Congress in issuing the subpoena. What would they do with the information?

Investigate possible wrongdoing. What do you think they want to do, ask him to pose for a statue?

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way. The judicial branch cannot decide anything unless he has been charged. The judicial branch can't charge him and the Congress can't charge him.

Then nobody can charge him! He's above the law!

The only power the Congress has is that which is granted it by the Constitution.

You mean that [expletive deleted] piece of paper?

 

[mpok1519]

I've seen nothing wrong with Karl Rove. the only thing that makes him a "bad guy" is that he embarrassed the Democrats, TWICE

and underminded our entire system of democratic process and broke the law.

He embarasses the country.

 

[MachZer0]

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/08/28/moore_rove_swift_boat/index1.html

pretty detailed vetting of his involvement, despite his "methinks he doth protest too much" denials. i know you won't value it, but the more reasonable people that peruse these boards will take it as good reporting.

So the best you can offer is an opinion piece that offers no real evidence but merely states "McCain was accused by Rove-managed surrogate groups". So which Rove-managed surrogate group was involved and who actually made the accusation? By the way, here's Rove's take

That is absolutely not true, and I take offense...If you have any bit of evidence that anybody connected with the Bush campaign was involved in that, you bring it forward, because it is a reckless charge.

So here's the challenge, directly from Rove himself. If you have any bit of evidence that anybody connected with the Bush campaign was involved in that, you bring it forward, because it is a reckless charge. Frankly, I don't expect much because you've shown that you've got nothing

 

[MachZer0]

and underminded our entire system of democratic process and broke the law.

Please note that no matter how many times you say that, the fact is that he hasn't even been charged with breaking a law. Reality, having a conservative bias, seems to disagree with you here

He embarasses the country.

He embarasses Democrats. Actaully, they embarrass themselves by going after him for doing his job and whipping their rears. It's an ugly sort of vindictiveness due to two election losses, back to back. Doubly embarrassing because they put up the best they had against a man they truly believe is stupid and they got their rear ends handed to them

 

[mpok1519]

lol youre the first person Ive EVEr encountered whos pro Karl Rove.

It seems reality disagrees with you, no matter how biased it is. ROFL

they dont arrest rich white power politicins, duh! Karl Rove has his private mercenary security force protecting him from things like police.

there'd be a shootout if they tried arresting him.

 

[MachZer0]

lol youre the first person Ive EVEr encountered whos pro Karl Rove.

It seems reality disagrees with you, no matter how biased it is. ROFL

they dont arrest rich white power politicins, duh! Karl Rove has his private mercenary security force protecting him from things like police.

there'd be a shootout if they tried arresting him.

I think you just demonstrated that reality indeed is on my side. If not, then certainly you can produce some evidence to back your claim, but alas, you appear to think that the charge is evidence in itself

 

[mpok1519]

lol I dont NEED to produce evidence! its as clear as day! its as clear as black and white!

lol evidence of what is already evident? Thats redundant.

Still, it amazes me that there is one Karl supporter out there. Its gotta be some kind of world record....

 

[Nathan Poe]

Please note that no matter how many times you say that, the fact is that he hasn't even been charged with breaking a law.

The investigation comes first, Mach -- hence the subpoena which he seems so afraid of. Then, if evidence of wrongdoing is found, he gets charged.

Really Mach, if you have any questions about how the law works, don't be embarassed to ask.

 

[MachZer0]

lol I dont NEED to produce evidence! its as clear as day! its as clear as black and white!

lol evidence of what is already evident? Thats redundant.

Still, it amazes me that there is one Karl supporter out there. Its gotta be some kind of world record....

I guess that's a wrap. By the way, you'd make a great prosecutor

 

[MachZer0]

The investigation comes first, Mach -- hence the subpoena which he seems so afraid of. Then, if evidence of wrongdoing is found, he gets charged.

Once again, criminal investigations are outside the purview of Congress. Any investigation would have to go through the Justice Dept

Really Mach, if you have any questions about how the law works, don't be embarassed to ask.

No need to ask since I just clarified your error

 

[mpok1519]

the senate does investigations all the time concerning the ethics of politicians, and with enough evidence, THEN they get to charge said investigatees with a crime, and THEN another investigation is held, and THEN they can convict him of these charges.

Its appauling you try to defend Rove when you know he's done something wrong; that something wrong probably endorses your political affiliation, however.

I think you don't care what right or wrong is; just so long as republicans can get away with it, and democrats can be held responsible.

 

[MachZer0]

the senate does investigations all the time concerning the ethics of politicians,

They investigate senators for ethics violations

and with enough evidence, THEN they get to charge said investigatees with a crime,

They can't charge anybody with a crime

and THEN another investigation is held, and THEN they can convict him of these charges.

That decision to investigate is up to the Justice Dept. Basically, the Senate can only report a crime like any citizen, but conducting an investigation solely for the purposes of seeking crimnal charges falls outside the purview of Congress.

Its appauling you try to defend Rove when you know he's done something wrong; that something wrong probably endorses your political affiliation, however.

I don't know that Rove has done anything wrong unless I believe your claim that evidence isn't necessary and that your claim of wrongdoing is sufficient, which I don't

I think you don't care what right or wrong is; just so long as republicans can get away with it, and democrats can be held responsible.

I'm wondering if you have noticed that not one shred of evidence of wrongdoing has been presented in this thread. Rove's crime is that he is a Republican and his job was to beat Democrats and beat them he did.

 

[reverend B]

there is a higher law than winning and losing, mach, and that is exactly what Christ came to address. there is an ethical imperitive that we are called to. mr rove is the poster boy for rejecting those ethics.