Kansas votes 62% to retain the right to access an abortion in its constitution.

[Desk trauma]

So there was a real vote...
And then these other people went and "skewed" it?

If they were true Americans or Kansans they would not be sullying themselves by living in wastelands of scum and villainy called cities.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I think this also reflects that people preferred the status quo to whatever the majority in the legislature had in mind, but were unwilling to state ahead of time.

Yup. I just crunched the numbers, and you could actually ignore JoCo, Douglas County, WyCo, and Riley County (the top 4 "No" counties by percentage) plus either Topeka or Wichita (though not both) and it still wouldn't pass. JoCo - being the most populous county in the state - did have the most "No" votes by far, but it also had the most "Yes" votes by far.

 

[durangodawood]

If they were true Americans or Kansans they would not be sullying themselves by living in wastelands of scum and villainy called cities.

Its all language of the electoral affirmative-action for rural people assumption that "conservatives" use to justify the composition of the senate:

That city people votes should count less because darn it theres more of them and thats not fair!

 

[Desk trauma]

Its all language of the electoral affirmative-action for rural people assumption that "conservatives" use to justify the composition of the senate:

That city people votes should count less because darn it theres more of them and thats not fair!

Well I mean, it isn’t!

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Can’t have people skewing a state wide vote by participating in it, time for succession!

I'm originally from Kansas. Most of my "good, conservative Christian" family members still live there. None of them in the larger cities. They spent most of last night online complaining about Wichita, Lawrence and KC, who predominantly voted no. They, of course, said that the people there weren't "really" Kansans, and the state should do something to invalidate their votes. Because they've never really understood how this "government" thing actually works.

Oh, and in the days leading up to the election, misleading texts saying “Women in KS are losing their choice on reproductive rights. Voting YES on the Amendment will give women a choice” were sent out in an attempt to trick people who were going to vote no into voting yes. The texts are thought to have been sent out by a Republican-backed group. When I pointed that out to some of my family, their response was "good, whatever it takes".

So... the moral is, if you're a Democrat, don't ever let a conservative Christian try and lecture you on the ethics of the Democratic Party.

 

[Blade]

The way it should have always been.. left to the state. Yet lol IS Biden Justice Department suing states regrading abortion? Yes

 

[Desk trauma]

The way it should have always been.. left to the state. Yet lol IS Biden Justice Department suing states regrading abortion? Yes

The way it should be until the republicans have congress and the White House, then so long states rights hello federal ban.

 

[durangodawood]

The way it should have always been.. left to the state....

Lets say Rs do float a federal ban in congress. Would you discourage your rep from voting for it?

If it passed would you prefer the supreme court find such a ban to be a usurpation of state powers?

 

[wing2000]

Yup. I just crunched the numbers, and you could actually ignore JoCo, Douglas County, WyCo, and Riley County (the top 4 "No" counties by percentage) plus either Topeka or Wichita (though not both) and it still wouldn't pass. JoCo - being the most populous county in the state - did have the most "No" votes by far, but it also had the most "Yes" votes by far.

IOW, the entire state of Kansas rejected the measure...not just the urban areas.

 

[Desk trauma]

IOW, the entire state of Kansas rejected the measure...not just the urban areas.

Can’t be #rigged.

 

[Bradskii]

Now the question is, do state legislators have some work around that allows them to ignore this vote and restrict abortion anyway?

GOP: 'Yay! It's no longer a federal matter. It's down to the states. Let the people decide!'
Kansan: 'We just did. We decided to keep access to abortion'.
GOP: 'What the..? Well, we'll see about that!'

 

[Tinker Grey]

GOP: 'Yay! It's no longer a federal matter. It's down to the states. Let the people decide!'
Arkansan: 'We just did. We decided to keep access to abortion'.
GOP: 'What the..? Well, we'll see about that!'

Erm ... Kansas and Arkansas are 2 different places.

 

[Bradskii]

Erm ... Kansas and Arkansas are 2 different places.

Yikes...my bad. Corrected.

Garland: 'Toto, I've got a feeling that we're not in Arkansas any more'.
Fleming: 'Oh, good grief...Cut!'

 

[Lazarus Short]

Ok? The residents of Johnson County (which is absolutely not more liberal than Lawrence - I would know, having lived in both places) and Lawrence are just as much citizens of the state of Kansas as the residents of Hays, Salina, Dodge City, and all of the other towns around the state. They get just as much say in any changes to the state constitution - that is to say, one vote each.

Also, for the record: Kansas Democratic & Republican Primary Election Results and Maps 2022 | CNN Politics

Johnson County was tied for third in percentage voting "No" on the amendment. Douglas County (Lawrence) and Wyandotte County (KCK) were much more skewed. If you wanted, we could ignore Johnson County entirely, and the measure still wouldn't pass.

A map was what I needed to see, and I see that I was shooting from the hip. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[NxNW]

GOP: 'Yay! It's no longer a federal matter. It's down to the states. Let the people decide!'
Kansan: 'We just did. We decided to keep access to abortion'.
GOP: 'What the..? Well, we'll see about that!'

I can recall examples of state legislatures overriding the public after they voted down funding for sports stadiums. When the fix is in, the fix is in.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I can recall examples of state legislatures overriding the public after they voted down funding for sports stadiums. When the fix is in, the fix is in.

Fortunately, in this case at least, the issue voted down was a constitutional amendment, which isn't something that the legislature can do unilaterally. The Kansas supreme court has already affirmed that the state constitution guarantees the right to abortion in Kansas, so - short of overturning that ruling - there's not much that the legislature can do to override the will of the people.

 

[Nithavela]

Fortunately, in this case at least, the issue voted down was a constitutional amendment, which isn't something that the legislature can do unilaterally. The Kansas supreme court has already affirmed that the state constitution guarantees the right to abortion in Kansas, so - short of overturning that ruling - there's not much that the legislature can do to override the will of the people.

So what the GOP needs to do is install the right judges in the Kansas Supreme Court, right?

 

[NxNW]

So what the GOP needs to do is install the right judges in the Kansas Supreme Court, right?

Anyone remember the big push for an anti-flag-burning amendment? It took some courageous people to vote it down. I'd voted for Bush Sr. in 1988, but after that debacle and his others, never voted Republican again.

 

[The Barbarian]

To all those pro-lifers who were celebrating the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe vs. Wade; remember when I said this was likely to backfire, because the American public doesn't like autocrats telling them what they must do?

Told ya so. This will set the pro-life movement back by years.

Edit: I don't think this is a good thing; I think it's a very bad thing.

 

[The Barbarian]

Seems like either way America wins.

Minority rule is not a viable plan for America. Republicans will either move back toward American values or they will join the Whigs.

The former would be a better alternative, but the latter would work.