Kansas Police stage ‘chilling’ raid on Marion County Record newspaper, seizing computers, records and cellphones over public info not published

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MARION, Kan. — The police chief who led a widely criticized raid of a newspaper office in Kansas told a judge that a reporter there accessed a restaurant owner’s driving record from a state database and could not have done so without “either impersonating the victim or lying about the reasons why the record was being sought,” according to confidential court records used to obtain a search warrant for the premises.

In sworn affidavits that have not previously been reported, Marion Police Chief Gideon Cody also wrote that the Kansas Department of Revenue had confirmed to him that Marion County Record reporter Phyllis Zorn had downloaded the private record. The documents provide the first public accounting of the evidence that was cited to justify the raid.

Zorn confirmed to The Washington Post that she downloaded the record, a process that involves entering a name, date of birth and driver’s license number. She said she did so to verify information she had received from a source. The newspaper’s editor and publisher, Eric Meyer, said he does not believe Zorn committed a crime. He said that the record was accessed for research purposes and that there was no intent to use it maliciously. “There is no criminal intent,” he said.

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It's a twisty small-town bag of snakes. To sum up:
[The estranged husband of the restaurant owner was worried she was driving his car without a license and whether she should have a liquor license. He received a screenshot of her driving record from someone he hasn't named [who might be Pam Maag, who once worked in law enforcement]. He then gave it to his friend Pam Maag, who gave it to council member Ruth Herbel [who wanted to use it to block the liquor license] and to the reporter Zorn.]
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Maag said she didn’t think someone with a suspended driver’s license should be eligible for a liquor license and that she had no regrets about how she handled it.

The eligible reasons [for downloading driving information] ... include that users are requesting their own records or are licensed private investigators. The only reason that references research is about statistical reports that will not disclose individuals’ personal information. There is no exception listed for media research.
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Even if we put the worst possible construction on the journalist's and paper's actions, it's hard to see how we get from there to seizure of computers and cellphones. And obviously the local prosecutor quickly agreed there was “insufficient evidence” for the search, returning all the evidence.
 
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MARION, Kan. — The police chief who led a widely criticized raid of a newspaper office in Kansas told a judge that a reporter there accessed a restaurant owner’s driving record from a state database and could not have done so without “either impersonating the victim or lying about the reasons why the record was being sought,” according to confidential court records used to obtain a search warrant for the premises.

In sworn affidavits that have not previously been reported, Marion Police Chief Gideon Cody also wrote that the Kansas Department of Revenue had confirmed to him that Marion County Record reporter Phyllis Zorn had downloaded the private record. The documents provide the first public accounting of the evidence that was cited to justify the raid.

Zorn confirmed to The Washington Post that she downloaded the record, a process that involves entering a name, date of birth and driver’s license number. She said she did so to verify information she had received from a source. The newspaper’s editor and publisher, Eric Meyer, said he does not believe Zorn committed a crime. He said that the record was accessed for research purposes and that there was no intent to use it maliciously. “There is no criminal intent,” he said.

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It's a twisty small-town bag of snakes. To sum up:
[The estranged husband of the restaurant owner was worried she was driving his car without a license and whether she should have a liquor license. He received a screenshot of her driving record from someone he hasn't named [who might be Pam Maag, who once worked in law enforcement]. He then gave it to his friend Pam Maag, who gave it to council member Ruth Herbel [who wanted to use it to block the liquor license] and to the reporter Zorn.]
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Maag said she didn’t think someone with a suspended driver’s license should be eligible for a liquor license and that she had no regrets about how she handled it.

The eligible reasons [for downloading driving information] ... include that users are requesting their own records or are licensed private investigators. The only reason that references research is about statistical reports that will not disclose individuals’ personal information. There is no exception listed for media research.
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Even if we put the worst possible construction on the journalist's and paper's actions, it's hard to see how we get from there to seizure of computers and cellphones. And obviously the local prosecutor quickly agreed there was “insufficient evidence” for the search, returning all the evidence.
Waiting to see of the publisher’s mother (who died after the police raid on their home) will be the cause of a “wrongful death lawsuit”.
 
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Marion city police and the Marion County sheriff’s office did something on Friday that no government agency in America has any right to do. They shut down a newspaper.
Call it the Putin Effect. Trump's admiration for, and envy of Putin has spread to some of his followers.
 
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Even if we put the worst possible construction on the journalist's and paper's actions, it's hard to see how we get from there to seizure of computers and cellphones. And obviously the local prosecutor quickly agreed there was “insufficient evidence” for the search, returning all the evidence.
Yeah, this is going to be embarrassing and messy for the people who planned and carried out this travesty, And it might have even greater consequences. We'll have to see. Someone should spend a little time behind bars for this one.
 
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Kansas reporter files federal lawsuit against police chief who raided her newspaper’s office

Deb Gruver believes Marion Police Chief Gideon Cody violated her constitutional rights when he abruptly snatched her personal cellphone out of her hands during a search where officers also seized computers from the Marion County Record’s office, according to the lawsuit. That Aug. 11 search and two others conducted at the homes of the newspaper’s publisher and a City Council member have thrust the town into the center of a debate over the press protections in the First Amendment.

The lawsuit says that the warrant expressly said that the search was supposed to focus only on equipment that was used to access those records, which was done by another reporter at the paper. But after Cody handed Gruver a copy of the warrant and she told him that she needed to call the publisher, he quickly grabbed her personal phone.
 
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Kansas reporter files federal lawsuit against police chief who raided her newspaper’s office

Deb Gruver believes Marion Police Chief Gideon Cody violated her constitutional rights when he abruptly snatched her personal cellphone out of her hands during a search where officers also seized computers from the Marion County Record’s office, according to the lawsuit. That Aug. 11 search and two others conducted at the homes of the newspaper’s publisher and a City Council member have thrust the town into the center of a debate over the press protections in the First Amendment.

The lawsuit says that the warrant expressly said that the search was supposed to focus only on equipment that was used to access those records, which was done by another reporter at the paper. But after Cody handed Gruver a copy of the warrant and she told him that she needed to call the publisher, he quickly grabbed her personal phone.
Bad timing on this. Supreme Court recently put up some pretty stiff rules about seizing a personal phone, on the basis that so much of one's personal life is on smartphones today. Grabbing a person's phone absent a warrant for that phone would be pretty much a "how much do you want" lawsuit in the hands of a competent attorney.

Yesterday’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling was a major win for privacy groups and has some serious implications for law enforcement going forward. Before jumping into why this was an important decision, let’s talk about the law as it existed before yesterday’s ruling.

Previously, cell phones did not fall under Fourth Amendment rights, which assert that “persons, houses, papers, and effects” should be protected from “unreasonable searches and seizures.” Of course, if law enforcement is able to show probable cause for search and obtain a warrant, those conditions are nullified.

 
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Police Chief Gideon Cody was indeed under investigation for sexual misconduct at his previous job.

(just wanted to make sure this wasn't lost. Also that restaurant lady had DUIs and lost her license.)

Sexual misconduct allegations confirmed

The paper must have enjoyed covering this story.

Marion police chief who raided Kansas newspaper suspended: Marion County Record

Marion Mayor David Mayfield suspended Police Chief Gideon Cody on Thursday, a reversal of an earlier decision to allow him to continue working while the Kansas Bureau of Investigation probed his raid of the Marion County Record.

The decision comes as the KBI has expanded its investigation into whether Cody asked restaurant owner Kari Newell to delete text messages.
 
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“That’s basically what they’re trying to do here,” Meyer said. “The intervention is just like that repressive government of Egypt. I didn’t think it could happen in America.”
Deceptive government in America since at least wwI..... wwII.... and so on...
Through today.
Is deceptive any better than repressive ?
 
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The paper must have enjoyed covering this story.

Marion police chief who raided Kansas newspaper suspended: Marion County Record

Marion Mayor David Mayfield suspended Police Chief Gideon Cody on Thursday, a reversal of an earlier decision to allow him to continue working while the Kansas Bureau of Investigation probed his raid of the Marion County Record.

The decision comes as the KBI has expanded its investigation into whether Cody asked restaurant owner Kari Newell to delete text messages.
The death of the matriarch might dampen the enjoyment somewhat though.
 
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Deceptive government in America since at least wwI..... wwII.... and so on...
Through today.
Is deceptive any better than repressive ?
If it's deceptive without being repressive, then yes, that is better without being good.
 
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If it's deceptive without being repressive, then yes, that is better without being good.
I think it is more important to actually know the truth - even when faced with all kinds of repression, persecution, and so on. The public in america has been deceived so long, for generations, what is the one seeking truth to do ? (trust only Jesus and the Creator in heaven - they are honest and helpful daily)
 
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I think it is more important to actually know the truth - even when faced with all kinds of repression, persecution, and so on. The public in america has been deceived so long, for generations, what is the one seeking truth to do ? (trust only Jesus and the Creator in heaven - they are honest and helpful daily)
Open repression, prosecution and so on are not as bad as being lied to, iyo? Without the repression, one can still learn the truth.
 
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Open repression, prosecution and so on are not as bad as being lied to, iyo? Without the repression, one can still learn the truth.
With more difficulty. Notice that by the very nature of deception, people are not told the truth,
and don't even know they are deceived (often).... they don't know to look for truth, and many have said they can't find anyone truthful, the deception is so great/widespread.

With repression, with persecution, the followers of Jesus have done very well in the places , the assemblies, where they know the truth , seek the truth, share the life of Jesus - abide with Jesus.

With deception, so much deception, not so good (this is an understatement, btw).
 
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With more difficulty. Notice that by the very nature of deception, people are not told the truth,
and don't even know they are deceived (often).... they don't know to look for truth, and many have said they can't find anyone truthful, the deception is so great/widespread.

With repression, with persecution, the followers of Jesus have done very well in the places , the assemblies, where they know the truth , seek the truth, share the life of Jesus - abide with Jesus.

With deception, so much deception, not so good (this is an understatement, btw).

From what I'm seeing, this is an "itching ears" issue. The problem is that people don't want to hear the truth, they are far more interested in hearing what fits their biases and preconceived notions. Even if you force the truth on people, their cognitive dissonance prevents them from actually hearing the truth.
 
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From what I'm seeing, this is an "itching ears" issue. The problem is that people don't want to hear the truth, they are far more interested in hearing what fits their biases and preconceived notions. Even if you force the truth on people, their cognitive dissonance prevents them from actually hearing the truth.
Not that here, no. The biases and preconceived notions are given them even before birth while in the womb, not weird btw - babies can hear mom and dad and others , and the deception starts then - all they hear .... and in most school , even pre-school, the varied stories and teachings they hear growing up when deception is the norm, it is the "rule" instead of the exception...
They might want to hear the truth, but think they already have the truth, such that they were taught growing up, what their family and group and country says daily....
so they remain lost in error, and in many errors....
To me, that is far far worse and more dangerous than suffering physical pain and threats but knowing the truth, the truth that sets people free even if they are jailed, beaten, and so on. This has been shown all through Scripture historically, and through history around the world.
 
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I think it is more important to actually know the truth - even when faced with all kinds of repression, persecution, and so on. The public in america has been deceived so long, for generations, what is the one seeking truth to do ? (trust only Jesus and the Creator in heaven - they are honest and helpful daily)
What newspaper does the Almighty publish?
 
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What newspaper does the Almighty publish?

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Deceptive government in America since at least wwI..... wwII.... and so on...
Through today.
Is deceptive any better than repressive ?
I suppose you could ask those who had lived under each. I suspect repressive is worse than deceptive. In act all government is to a degree, deceptive. Human nature. It'sy also human nature to abuse power over others, but a free press and judiciary makes that kind of risky. Precisely why this criminal went after the newspaper.
 
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