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keras, those verses are not instructions for Christians to move to the land of Israel. No pastor or preachers are giving sermons for Christians to do so.Psalms 37:29 The righteous will possess the Land and will live there forever.
Isaiah 66:18b-19 I am going to gather people of every tongue, they will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and some of these survivors I will send out to the nations, to proclaim My Gospel among them. They will go to distant places that have not heard of My glory.
Irrefutable proof that this happens before the Return, as then: every eye shall see Him. Revelation 1:7
These people are only the believers in Jesus, Jew and Gentiles.
The Lord’s people, all faithful Christians, are gathered from all parts of the earth. 12,000 are selected from each of the 12 assigned groups and sent out to proclaim the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. Revelation 7:3-8 & 14:1-7, Isaiah 49:6.
Isaiah 66:20-21 From every nation, your people will be brought, on every kind of conveyance, coming as an offering to the Lord on His holy mountain. They will come to Jerusalem, just as the ancient Israelites brought their grain offerings. The Lord will select some of them to be His priests. Psalms 107:1-43, Rev 5:10
Soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance, all the Lord’s people, will be motivated to emigrate to the holy Land. Ezekiel 36:10-12, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Isaiah35:1-10, Jeremiah 30:10-14. They will live there in great prosperity and peace for several years, until the Anti-Christ comes to power. He will break his 7 year treaty of peace with Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, and take control of the country, sitting in the Temple. This will start the 3½ year Tribulation period. The faithful Christians will be taken to a place of safety during this time. Zechariah 14:2b, Revelation 12:14.
Then Jesus Christ will Return in His glory, to reign for 1000 years.
The holy Land is all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:18
I refer to the faithful Christians. Many who say they are Christian' are not.
In David's insertion of saved Christians into the text....What you fail to take note of, is the fact that God separated the original nation of Israel into 2 groups; the House of Israel, the 10 Northern tribes and the House of Judah. Only Judah is a visible entity today.
Israel remains scattered around the world. They have not yet rejoined: Ezekiel 37 remains unfulfilled. Jesus came to save the House of Israel, He was successful and we Christians are the result.
So the word Israel, used in the scriptures that you posted, refers the the Christian Israelites of God. The Overcomers for God; His actual people who have accepted the Salvation of Jesus and who keep the Commandments.
Thinking that God's Promises belong exclusively to the Jews, makes a mockery of the teachings of the new Testament.
What you also miss, is the many Prophesies that say the apostate and Jesus rejecting Jews, will be Judged and punished and only a remnant will survive.
So the word 'Israel', used in the Prophesies you quoted, cannot apply to the people who call their nation Israel. If anything their nation should be called Judah. As David ben Gurion did want to call it.
An Israelite simply means an overcomer for God. Isn't that what you and I are?
You mean there are actually moments where we must respect the original intention of the Old testament author? We've actually got to appreciate the unfolding Covenant of God in the different stages it appears to us in? Why this sounds like Biblical Theology - I'm shocked!In David's insertion of saved Christians into the text....
Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the saved Christians went into captivity for their iniquity:
Really, keras?
Only according to a rewriting of History. Peter actually wrote from Babylon, not Rome.Nero killed Peter and Paul.
You are being too literal with your speculations.
No pastor, or only a very few; ever speak on end times prophecy.keras, those verses are not instructions for Christians to move to the land of Israel. No pastor or preachers are giving sermons for Christians to do so.
And the godless peoples will know that the spiritual ancestors of the Christian peoples, were sent into exile because they failed to obey God or to keep His Commandments. Ezekiel 39:23 paraphrased and expanded.Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the saved Christians went into captivity for their iniquity:
Peter (or possibly James) - a witness for Jews.Only according to a rewriting of History. Peter actually wrote from Babylon, not Rome.
You are not being literal enough. Perhaps Nero symbolically killed Peter?
Yet both ultimately agreeing on the core definitions of who God's people are now after the gospel events.Peter (or possibly James) - a witness for Jews.
Paul - a witness for Gentiles.
I think Peter was being influenced by James, a bit. Even though Peter should officially lead the apostles and be their head, it seems that James eventually got a lot of power in Jerusalem.Yet both ultimately agreeing on the core definitions of who God's people are now after the gospel events.
Peter wrestled a lot with the gentiles coming into the kingdom of God, but ultimately agreed that the food laws could be dropped in favour of the gospel going out into all the world. And eventually even he offered up the following definition of God's people, which seems to be all gospel and no lingering promises for any other groups.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
The inheritance of Christians is eternal life. Stay focused.There is plenty of prophecy, OT and NT, which proves that the holy Land is our heritage. Ephesians 3:6
Peter did what God told him to do. He traveled the whole Roman Empire feeding the sheep of Israel.I think Peter was being influenced by James, a bit. Even though Peter should officially lead the apostles and be their head, it seems that James eventually got a lot of power in Jerusalem.
Certainly not the whole Roman Empire.Peter did what God told him to do. He traveled the whole Roman Empire feeding the sheep of Israel.
Peter did not stop in Rome. He kept moving, the whole empire: Germany, Britain, Spain, North Africa, Egypt, ending in Babylon. Literally the whole empire. What makes you think Peter ever stopped obeying God? So he could be the first "Pope" in some "rewriting of history" to prove erroneous interpretation of Scripture?Certainly not the whole Roman Empire.
Peter's journeys:
https://thebiblejourney.org/biblejourney1/7-journeys-of-jesuss-followers/peters-journeys/
Why are you posting baseless speculations? Not useful.Peter did not stop in Rome. He kept moving, the whole empire: Germany, Britain, Spain, North Africa, Egypt, ending in Babylon. Literally the whole empire. What makes you think Peter ever stopped obeying God? So he could be the first "Pope" in some "rewriting of history" to prove erroneous interpretation of Scripture?
Why are you posting lies from people rewriting history to support their biased opinions?Why are you posting baseless speculations? Not useful.
If you have no sources to post, then I do not see any usefulness in continuing to react to this.Why are you posting lies from people rewriting history to support their biased opinions?
God gave Peter a job to do. The Roman Catholic church did not give Peter a job to do several hundred years after the fact.
My point comes from Scripture and no bias at all, unless obedience to God is a bias.
You speculate history into The Scripture constantly. Of course the rewriters of history will suppress the truth out of history and change the narrative to fit their bias. They could not remove the truth from God's Word. Only private interpretation would be used to misinform people. I literally have no agenda driving my interpretation other than pointing out truth.
Eventually; yes.The inheritance of Christians is eternal life. Stay focused.
keras, I go whereever the Lord decides.Eventually; yes.
But what we are discussing is what must happen before Eternity.
Why does anybody object to going to live in the holy Land? Especially when our own countries will become uninhabitable by the fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis of the Lord's Day of wrath.
Psalms 107:1-43 Give thanks, you who are redeemed by the Lord, saved from the power of the enemy and gathered from all of the world......He makes the desert bloom and gives the people a home...... Whoever is wise, take these things to heart.....
Why does anybody object to going to live in the holy Land?
He has already decided, but you and most Christians don't believe it.keras, I go whereever the Lord decides.
It is the House of Judah, who currently occupy a small part of the holy Land.In order for that interpretation to logically work out, the house of Israel meant in those two chapters have to be expelled from this land first
Your ideas about the Gog attack, simply do not relate to the prophesies, as Written.I think that Ezekiel 38-39 is most misinterpreted scripture in the whole Bible. The "unwalled", "at rest", "dwelling safely" and "without bars and gates" is Millennium talk if I ever heard it. To say it is present day Israel is just silly talk. The Gog/Magog war is a Millennium war
The final battle of Revelation 20:7-9 is quit different in every way to the one Ezekiel 38 & 39 describe. Also Joel 2:20And we have two accounts of it - one in Revelation and the other in Ezekiel - two visions of the same war.
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