Justifying Abortion

[Tree of Life]

Well, it's clearly not an argument, but it's utterly worthless if you mean to convince atheists. That's my point.

Only Yahweh can convince you of the truth of the prophetic word. But you cannot say you never heard it.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

If a nation persists in rebellion against Yahweh and especially if a nation oppresses and kills the most vulnerable and innocent then Yahweh will destroy that nation.

Considering the sins of genocide, slavery and racism America has committed during its entire existence and God has yet to destroy this nation, you think abortion is going to be the sin that destroys America?

 

[Tree of Life]

Considering the sins of genocide and slavery America has committed and God has yet to destroy this nation, you think abortion is going to be the sin that destroys America?

I don't know for sure. All I know is that Yahweh has destroyed plenty of nations in the past and won't hesitate to do so again if we do not fear him and give him glory.

 

[Skavau]

Only Yahweh can convince you of the truth of the prophetic word. But you cannot say you never heard it.

I've also been on the receiving end of Dawah. No reason to care about either.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I don't know for sure. All I know is that Yahweh has destroyed plenty of nations in the past and won't hesitate to do so again if we do not fear him and give him glory.

These typical Christian fear tactics neither scare me or concern me. The name of God, under the guise of Christianity, was used to kill and destroy an entire race of people while enslaving another as property. America is not a Christian nation and it never has been. There is nothing biblical about America, unless we factor in the insurmountable amount of genocide and slavery that occurred during the continuous theft of tribal lands. America once had both genocide and slavery down to an art form.

 

[Tree of Life]

These typical Christian fear tactics neither scare me or concern me.

You do not fear God?

The name of God, under the guise of Christianity, was used to kill and destroy an entire race of Indigenous people while enslaving another. America is not a Christian nation and it never has been. There is nothing biblical about America, unless we factor in the insurmountable amount of genocide and slavery that occurred during the continuous theft of tribal lands. And America once had both genocide and slavery down to an art form.

I've never claimed that America was a Christian nation. Yahweh is sovereign over all the nations. He establishes one and roots up another. If any nation blesses him he will bless that nation. If any nation despises him for long enough he will uproot that nation.

 

[Skavau]

Tree of Life, people who are atheists don't fear God. Is this news to you?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

You do not fear God?

No, I no longer fear the Creator. I spent the majority of my life under the thumb of Christian fear tactics.

I've never claimed that America was a Christian nation. Yahweh is sovereign over all the nations. He establishes one and roots up another. If any nation blesses him he will bless that nation. If any nation despises him for long enough he will uproot that nation.

My apologies. I thought you were implying that America is a Christian nation. I misunderstood you. And you are more than entitled to believe what you will regarding your beliefs, but not everyone will agree with your beliefs or submit to them.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Tree of Life, people who are atheists don't fear God. Is this news to you?

For the record, I am not an atheist. But I do not fear the Creator.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

You do not fear God?

Why would anyone need to fear the "all loving" Creator?

 

[Tree of Life]

Why would anyone need to fear the "all loving" Creator?

We all ought to fear him in the sense of solemn reverence. We ought to fear him because he is all powerful and transcendent. But we should especially fear him because he hates sin and is just to punish sin. As sinners who live in opposition to him we ought to fear him.

 

[quatona]

God does a lot of things. Exactly what are you asking?

You had asked us to complete your statement. I completed it in the way your post suggested you think it needs to be completed.

 

[quatona]

If a nation persists in rebellion against Yahweh and especially if a nation oppresses and kills the most vulnerable and innocent then Yahweh will destroy that nation.

What precisely do you mean when saying "destroying a nation"?

 

[quatona]

We all ought to fear him in the sense of solemn reverence. We ought to fear him because he is all powerful and transcendent. But we should especially fear him because he hates sin and is just to punish sin. As sinners who live in opposition to him we ought to fear him.

Since - as you submit - your Yahweh does that by collective punishment regardless of individual guilt, this isn´t exactly an incentive to change individual behaviour. Not to mention the irreconcilability of "all loving" and collective punishment, and the fact that Yahweh´s concern for the "most innocent and vulnerable" appear to be crocodile´s tears in view of His own practices.

 

[Tull]

Reminder for some of the pro-lifers in this thread: Many of us objecting to your claims are atheists, so any appeal to Yahweh smiting a nation is, surprisingly, irrelevant. Argue on common ground.

Reminder for some of the pro-lifers in this thread: Many of us objecting to your claims are atheists, so any appeal to Yahweh smiting a nation is, surprisingly, irrelevant. Argue on common ground.

A reminder to Atheist,a Christian has no common ground with you and in the context of Christianity it is you who are irrelevant.

 

[Tull]

Well, it's clearly not an argument, but it's utterly worthless if you mean to convince atheists. That's my point.

The atheist silly notion that it is anybodys responsibility to convince them of anything,they place themselves on a pedestal and invite everyone to sit at their feet and try to sway them.

 

[Tull]

What precisely do you mean when saying "destroying a nation"?

God gives people over to a reprobate mind,America is in the process of being destroyed but because we have celebrities,football,homosexual marriage and porn people think all is well,indeed they judge well being by being able to indulge themselves and ignore the eroding financial,cultural and social rot that is eating away because the party for now is still on,our eneimies are watching and waiting for the right time.

 

[quatona]

God gives people over to a reprobate mind,America is in the process of being destroyed but because we have celebrities,football,homosexual marriage and porn people think all is well,indeed they judge well being by being able to indulge themselves and ignore the eroding financial,cultural and social rot that is eating away because the party for now is still on,our eneimies are watching and waiting for the right time.

If you feel it necessary to respond to a question not asked to you, you may want to at least try to answer it instead of airing general ramblings.

 

[Tull]

If you feel it necessary to respond to a question not asked to you, you may want to at least try to answer it instead of airing general ramblings.

I answered the question,i receive responses I did not solicit all the time,you concern your self with what you do and not me,you can tell a lot about an individual by the environment they are comfortable in....you are comfortable and see no problems.

 

[quatona]

I answered the question,

You probably didn´t understand it. Nevermind.