I thought that I would modify my post, which was not well received by some, in order that my reply could be made in a less inflammatory mode…yet still deliver the content of my thought to others who may be interested…the post is probably 95% original…with some material redacted and a few alterations to specific words.
My intention in doing so is not to be disrespectful to any person or authority…but to voice my thoughts concerning some varied subject matter.
I have told you more than once that I am not going to debate this with you.
I know…and you put that little caveat in early as a get out of jail clause for when you might need it (suspecting even at this early stage that you would) … comments below from your post #102
"I will consider trying to answer questions about the truth of the doctrine though. I will try to explain what I believe and why but I am not going to defend it."
To paraphrase your prepared caveat - I will consider answering questions (perhaps)… on second thought… I will try explaining what I believe and why…ah…without making any attempt to discover if it's wrong or even right.
To avoid the destructive ramifications of Rom 8:1 and Rom 8:9 on your false doctrine (which I was gently choking you with) culminating in my post #131... forced you into playing your get out of jail card.
What choice did you have ? …. well you could have chosen to examine the scripture Rom 8:1 with me ?...but of course that was an exceedingly unattractive option, the immanent defeat of your false doctrine, and you it's defender along with it, was decidedly unpalatable.
Framing your assertions in the form of a question in order to try and force me to answer because I said I would answer your questions about what I believe and why isn't going to work either.
I know…nothing seems to work.
Do you have any suggestions yourself in regards what might work ?
As explained earlier ….To paraphrase your prepared caveat - I will consider answering questions (perhaps)… on second thought… I will try explaining what I believe and why…ah…without making any attempt to discover if it's wrong or even right.
You haven't asked me what I believe or why,
Hello…I might be wrong about this…but I kind of get the impression, faint though it be, that you could, might, possibly be advocating justification from eternity…..but then again (you know its not always easy to discern a persons position) perhaps you lean more towards eternal justification.
I think it's probably a toss up between those two…taking into account the OP heading and various video's, taped sermons, documentation, links and comments over the last 14 pages of this thread…and of which I have watched, listened, and read.
you asked me to respond to your assertions.
Yes I did…and I think if you search back through this thread you might find that post where I made mention that I believe justification from eternity was a false doctrine and therefore must be opposed and refuted…I kind of thought that would give you a general idea of the direction and thrust of my assertions…which I would be looking for a response to.
Well….I was actually hoping you would give me the opportunity to make you feel a whole lot sorrier than you feel at the moment…even deeply depressed.
I feel like you have robbed me… I feel quite barren and forlorn.
Anyone who had a heart would, and should, feel sorry for me.
You can find all the answers already in this thread if you wish to look.
I will continue to explore the material provided here and in my personal research.
There was a guy who used to post in this forum by the username of Miqurgw…and I always liked his response when his opponents would post the writings of Puritan theologians and other reputable scholars etc…He would say "I'm not interested in debating with a dead man"
Not in anyway as dismissing their thoughts/writings as worthless…but because they can not respond to your line of enquiry, or be probed for clarification or weaknesses…the thing is…past refutations and defences are ok and will always continue to be a buttress…but new weapons are forged and developed everyday…Satan develops new and sophisticated strategies to undermine the truth continuously and so our defences and attack strategies and tactics need to be constantly refined and tested (forum discussions)…to ensure they will be effective in combat, the battle space being a fluid environment.
I prefer the live interaction…I prefer to do my own thinking and develop my reasoning through personally developed attack vectors, which can be a little unorthodox…I like to study my opponents position from many angles…test their defences, their resolve, their intellect, their grasp of philosophical concepts that underpin the frame work of their theological construct…when I enter into a discussion, as a contender, this is what it is all about for me…The Truth of scripture is (boxing idiom)…THE UNDISPUTED - THE UNDEFEATED - CHAMPION OF THE WORLD.
I intend to start a thread in the near future which will have a deliberately provocative title and content…I do that so that I will be attacked, probed for weakness and engaged in relentless strivings with the regenerated minds of my brethren (who are bent on crushing my filthy lies)
Of course I believe it to be The Truth….I might, in fact, be delusional, a pawn in the hand of Satan, a deceitful Trojan Horse, a seducer of unstable minds, a false professor, a mentally unstable scitzo…all of which is possible (from your perspective)
And so you are invited to the fray….slay me if you are able.
If I find my self on the floor looking up at the ceiling…wondering what my name is and how it is I materialised in another dimension and whats that strange ringing in my ears….Than perhaps the truth I thought I had wasn't the undisputed, undefeated, champion of the world…but just a pile of manure that got stuck in-between my ears somehow.
Anyway….I don't feel so barren and forlorn anymore.
I just realised that JM is still out there…so I still have the opportunity to engage in combat…theologically of course….and for all the right reasons.
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