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Justification by Faith !

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Gal 3:24

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Now what is it to be Justified by Faith? It's one or two things #1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.

It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!
 

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Gal 3:24

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Now what is it to be Justified by Faith?
It's the same as being saved by faith.

Saved = saved through faith from the wrath of God on one's sin at the Final Judgment

Justified = sentence of acquittal from guilt through faith, act of pronouncing forensically righteous (in right standing with God) through faith
It's one or two things #1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.

It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!
 
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Gal 3:24

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Now what is it to be Justified by Faith? It's one or two things #1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.

It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!
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Jesus states that to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation and be justified before God and to also become a born again child of God. A person must believe in Jesus and Jesus also states this is the only work a person must do.

At the very moment of belief in Jesus a person is justified forever and permanently crosses over from death to life and will not come into judgment.

Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”
Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

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“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
 
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It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!

You see if those Christ died for are not Justified before God before they believe, and not until they believe, then their act of faith becomes their Justification before God, and not Christ alone, which is error indeed !

If our faith is our righteousness/justification, then we are justified before God by our own righteousness, which is of the law, and not the righteousness of Christ Phil 3:9

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

If you say my Faith makes me just or righteous before God, then you shall be found justified by your own righteousness !
 
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Now what is it to be Justified by Faith?
Greetings Brightfame52, I hope your week has been a blessed one.

I would first like to affirm particular election and that by the grace of God we are saved. I affirm this in the hopes that what I present is not misconstrued.

John Calvin writes:
"To justify, therefore, is nothing else than to acquit from the charge of guilt, as if innocence were proved. Hence, when God justifies us through the intercession of Christ, he does not acquit us on a proof of our own innocence, but by an imputation of righteousness, so that though not righteous in ourselves, we are deemed righteous in Christ." -- John Calvin Institutes 3.11
My first point. What John Calvin wrote above, is the traditional understanding of what justification is. What you wrote, below is something different.
#1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.
What you wrote appears to be an attempt at some "high Calvinist" position and reasoning from this position. What Calvin wrote is more of a traditional Calvinist (or moderate Calvinist) position, imo.

The only reason I bring this up, which is my first point, is because you then wrote...
It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!
If your formulation and conclusion is true, then John Calvin forwarded a "false gospel". Which he most certainly did not, and just about every Calvinist would object to any claim that he did. Not saying I agree with all that Calvin wrote, but because you might not agree with what Calvin wrote does not mean you may conclude he, or anyone else, is spreading false gospel.

John Calvin says we must...
"On one side, we must look at God; and, on the other, at man." -- John Calvin
Notice that Calvin says we must on one hand, look at man. This claim in no way suggests that Calvin is forwarding a works based gospel. John Calvin then goes on to say about Ephesians 2:8-9.
"The next question is, in what way do men receive that salvation which is offered to them by the hand of God? The answer is, by faith; and hence he concludes that nothing connected with it is our own. If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendation, it follows that salvation does not come from us." -- John Calvin
John Calvin says that if the only thing the sinner brings to the table is faith, then salvation is by grace alone. Notice Calvin doesn't try and argue that man doesn't bring faith? It's because Calvin thinks man brings faith, for he says, "if we bring nothing but faith." If "we" bring nothing but "faith". (emphasis on the we, meaning man).

My point here is that simply because a person on this forum asserts that man brings faith does not automatically mean that the person is forwarding a works based doctrine. The New Testament constantly contrasts works and faith, meaning faith is not works according to the Bible. The assumption that any kind of formulation of faith brought by man is a work based doctrine is fundamentally false, even from a Calvinist position. One might not agree with anthers faith formulation. But a faith alone formulation is most certainly not works based.

My second point is about the "when" justification happens. John Calvin says justification is, as I quoted earlier, "nothing else than to acquit from the charge of guilt" -- John Calvin. With John Calvin as a guide, for me, I would ask if you hold to the Supralapsarian formulation or the Infralapsarian formulation?

If you hold to the Supralapsarian model then you and Calvin are at odds regarding justification. If the Infralapsarian model, then you and Calvin might be in agreement. The reason for this is that Calvin says that justification is related to "guilt". Thus, guilt must be considered at the point of God's decree of eternal election. Which only happens in the Infralapsarian model and not the Supralapsarian model. Typically the Supralapsarian model is used by most high Calvinists.


Peace to you and yours, brother
 
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It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God,
Faith is a gift (Php 1:29, Ac 13:48, 18:27, 2 Pe 1:1, Ro 12:3), which is necessary for salvation (Eph 2:8-9),
which salvation results in being declared forensically righteous (without sin); i.e., justification.
 
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@Paleouss

If your formulation and conclusion is true, then John Calvin forwarded a "false gospel". Which he most certainly did not, and just about every Calvinist would object to any claim that he did. Not saying I agree with all that Calvin wrote, but because you might not agree with what Calvin wrote does not mean you may conclude he, or anyone else, is spreading false gospel.

So did calvin teach that Justification before God is conditioned on mans act of faith/believing ? If so that would be heresy and a false gospel, dont matter if he is calvin

John Calvin says we must...
"On one side, we must look at God; and, on the other, at man." -- John Calvin

Then u follow calvin friend
 
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Faith is a gift (Php 1:29, Ac 13:48, 18:27, 2 Pe 1:1, Ro 12:3), which is necessary for salvation (Eph 2:8-9),
which salvation results in being declared forensically righteous (without sin); i.e., justification.
Faith is a Gift of Grace, yet its not a condition man must meet to get Justified b4 God, Christ work took care of that, Faith believes it by Grace. If you are making faith, gift or not a condition to Justification before God, you are promoting a false gospel
 
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Faith is a Gift of Grace, yet its not a condition man must meet to get Justified b4 God, Christ work took care of that, Faith believes it by Grace. If you are making faith, gift or not a condition to Justification before God, you are promoting a false gospel
There is neither salvation nor justification apart from the gift of faith.
There is always salvation and justification with the gift of faith.
 
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How therefore should we understand a scripture like this one which seems to be saying that ones faith is counted for righteousness ? Rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Its quite simple Faith here is the object of his Faith, Christ. See Jesus Christ is the Believers Righteousness made so by God the Father 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Isa 54:17

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

Jer 33:16

In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.


The Lord being our righteousness is sooner or later made known to God given Faith, hence, The Lord our righteousness is the object of our Faith !
 
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There is neither salvation nor justification apart from the gift of faith.
There is always salvation and justification with the gift of faith.
Faith comes with the Gift of Salvation, by Grace. The problem comes is when people make faith a condition they meet to get Justified before God, that's works. Whenever anything is made a condition to get saved we do, it automatically defaults to works salvation and is condemned
 
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Faith comes with the Gift of Salvation, by Grace. The problem comes is when people make faith a condition they meet to get Justified before God, that's works. Whenever anything is made a condition to get saved we do, it automatically defaults to works salvation and is condemned
We are saved by faith (Eph 2:8-9), faith is not the result of salvation, faith is the cause of salvation.
 
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Faith comes with the Gift of Salvation, by Grace. The problem comes is when people make faith a condition they meet to get Justified before God, that's works. Whenever anything is made a condition to get saved we do, it automatically defaults to works salvation and is condemned
Actually, salvation is the result of the gift of faith (Eph 2:8-9).
Faith is not the result of salvation, faith is the cause of salvation. . ."we are saved. . .by faith. . ."
 
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Actually, salvation is the result of the gift of faith (Eph 2:8-9).
Faith is not the result of salvation, faith is the cause of salvation. . ."we are saved. . .by faith. . ."
More works, Christ is the cause of Salvation
 
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More works, Christ is the cause of Salvation
Which we receive by/through the gift (Php 1:29) of faith (Eph 2:8-9).
Faith is not my own doing, it is a gift of God.
 
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More apostate works, Christ is the cause of Salvation and Faith
Blessings again Brightfame, I hope you are doing well.

You seemed to have missed some of my points. So I'll just focus on the Faith vs works concept.

You seem to be asserting that faith is works. I would challenge you to find any verses in the Bible that tells us that faith is works. I know you use verses, I have seen you use them.

Clare73 has provided to you what he thinks are verses that tell us that God gives man faith. What he is telling you is that the faith that man brings, that God gives, is not works based because God gave it. Now some don't agree with this formulation that Clare73 has presented but still might forward some other kind of faith alone theology. Regardless, if you cannot agree with Clare73 on this issue of faith vs works. I fear you cannot agree with anyone (or no one will agree with you).

It is very important to understand that faith is not works. I'll say that again, faith is not works. Nor is faith considered works based. So when Paul says in Romans...
(Rom 3:28 NKJ)
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law
Paul is not forwarding a works based doctrine because he used the word "man" or "faith". Because faith is "apart from the deeds of the law". Which means that faith is not works.

Any formulation that says that mankind brings faith alone, and nothing else, is not a works based theology. It seems like you think that if the word "man" or "mankind" is in any sentence then that person must be forwarding a works based doctrine. But this isn't true.

Now there ARE people who seem to forward some kind of works based doctrine. To that, I would be happy to be on your side. But imo, you have thrown the baby out with the bathwater if you think faith is works based.
(Rom 3:24-25 NKJ)
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

By His blood alone, by His grace alone, through faith alone.

Peace be with you brother
 
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