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Here's a simple way of looking at imputation
The first great act of imputation is that of Adam's sin being imputed to the whole human race. Romans 5:12 When the sins of the race were imputed to God's Son we were given a clean slate. Isaiah 53:5-6 The OT transfer of accounts= the scapegoat who bore away all the sins of the people. The righteousness of God is imputed to us NT
2 Corinthians 5:21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
He traded Barrabas' cross and ours yet we both went free.
CREDIT
The righteousness of Christ imputed to sinners
Gives us the right to come into the presence of God
Romans 1:16-17
The Just Live by Faith
So...
step #1= Adam's sin reckoned to the race
step #2= God reckoned over the sin of Adam's race to Christ
step #3= God reckoned righteousness of God to sinners
(this was an act of free grace)
Philippians 3:8-9
VIEWING THE DIVINE TRANSACTION
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
Hebrews 9:14
how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Corinthians 1:30
But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God;and righteousness and sanctification and redemption
(All that is in Jesus is set down to our account)
Colossians 2:9-10
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
(Thru faith, His Righteousness is given to us. God accepted the payment)
Wouldn't you? I guess if they weren't they could go thru life never sinning by keeping to the law as Paul did.So just curious, if you consider Adam's sin to be "imputed to" the whole human race, would you say babies are born guilty?
Not looking to argue. I was just curious. And I don't see how not being born guilty relates to keeping the law after that.Wouldn't you? I guess if they weren't they could go thru life never sinning by keeping to the law as Paul did.
It's of topic so I won'tNot looking to argue. I was just curious. And I don't see how not being born guilty relates to keeping the law after that.
No, I don't consider babies born guilty. I don't believe God holds anyone guilty for the sin of another.
But it is a sin-infected world, and we are born with a nature bent towards sin, so sooner or later (generally as soon as we are old enough to make a choice) we all sin, so if the baby lives that long, it will become guilty of its own sins, as all of us have done.
But I was just curious of your pov. You don't have to answer, of course.
Peace to you.
Apologies. I didn't think it was. Peace to you.It's of topic so I won't
Not looking to argue
As you wish, lol.You are arguing. (and it's OK)
Argue: To present reasons for or against a thing.
He argued in favor of capital punishment.
As you wish, lol.
My point was that I was only curious about a way of looking at things. I offered my point of view in this case hoping to lay all the cards on the table, as it were, as a means of demonstrating I was willing to do so. Doesn't matter.
But my point in saying that was that I have no intention of offering points against anyone's position in any attempt to change their beliefs.
Sometimes we are told that Justification by Faith is "out of date." That would be a pity, if it were true. What it would mean would be that the way of salvation was closed and "no thoroughfare" nailed up over the barriers. There is no justification for sinful men except by faith. The works of a sinful man will, of course, be as sinful as he is, and nothing but condemnation can be built on them. Where can he get works upon which he can found his hope of justification, except from Another? His hope of Justification, remember — that is, of being pronounced righteous by God. Can God pronounce him righteous except on the ground of works that are righteous? Where can a sinful man get works that are righteous? Surely, not from himself; for, is he not a sinner, and all his works as sinful as he is? He must go out of himself, then, to find works which he can offer to God as righteous. And where will he find such works except in Christ? Or how will he make them his own except by faith in Christ?
Justification by Faith, we see, is not to be set in contradiction to justification by Works. It is set in contradiction only to justification by our Own Works. It is justification by Christ's Works. The whole question, accordingly, is whether we can hope to be received into God's favor on the ground of what we do ourselves, or only on the ground of what Christ does for us. If we expect to be received on the ground of what we do ourselves — that is what is called Justification by Works. If on the ground of what Christ has done for us — that is what is meant by Justification by Faith. Justification by Faith means, that is to say, that we look to Christ and to him alone for salvation, and come to God pleading Christ's death and righteousness as the ground of our hope to be received into his favor. If Justification by Faith is out of date, that means, then, that salvation by Christ is out of date. There is nothing, in that case, left to us but that each man must just do the best he can to save himself.
Justification by Faith does not mean, then, salvation by believing things instead of doing right. It means pleading the merits of Christ before the throne of grace instead of our own merits. It may be doing right to believe things, and doing right is certainly right. The trouble with pleading our own merits before God is not that merits of our own would not be acceptable to God. The trouble is that we haven't any merits of our own to plead before God. Adam, before his fall, had merits of his own, and because he had merits of his own he was, in his own person, acceptable to God. He didn't need Another to stand between him and God, whose merits he could plead. And, therefore, there was no talk of his being Justified by Faith. But we are not like Adam before the fall; we are sinners and have no merits of our own. If we are to be justified at all, it must be on the ground of the merits of Another, whose merits can be made ours by faith. And that is the reason why God sent His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life. If we do not believe in him, obviously we must perish. But if we believe in him, we shall not perish but have everlasting life. That is Justification by Faith. Justification by Faith is nothing other than obtaining everlasting life by believing in Christ. If Justification by Faith is out of date, then is salvation through Christ out of date. And as there is none other name under heaven, given among men, wherein we must be saved, if salvation through Christ is out of date then is salvation itself out of date. Surely, in a world of sinful men, needing salvation, this would be a great pity.
I'm not a smart guy, can you explain this for me?I like to think of Jesus Christ as the one I casually step behind, while whistling a nonchalant tune, as the eyes of God begin to look in my direction.
Impute is an accounting or legal term. It means that something is credited that isn’t actually there.
It's the same thing as justification by faith: God accepts our faith as righteousness. It's faith, not circumcision, that makes us his people. Why? After saying that faith is counted as righteousness in Rom 4:22, Paul goes on to explain that it is faith in Christ who died and was raised for us. This is explained further in Rom 6. Through faith, in baptism, we die with him and are raised with him.How is our Faith imputed as righteousness, if it is not the Righteousness of Christ?
I'm not a smart guy, can you explain this for me?
I'm not a smart guy, can you explain this for me?
I don't want to get into a discussion of depravity because of mentioning imputation thru the first Adam resulting in amputation from God but it's not just in Romans. We are born with a sin-nature acquired from the fall. All need a savior because of it. And there's no other way to remove the sin-nature w/o aquiring a new nature, God's nature imputed to us in a renewed heart.]..It's also worth noting the Rom 5:12 doesn't really say that Adam's sin is imputed to us either. It says that Adam brought sin into the human experience, but we all do it. "death spread to all because all have sinned."
Calvin understood that the Fall corrupted our nature, although Paul doesn't actually say that. But even under that traditional understanding, it is our own corrupted nature that makes us sinful. We aren't guilty, either really or by imputation, of Adam's actual sin. We just experience its consequences. (In fact Calvin denies that we are guilty of Adam's actual sin.) Paul's point in that passage is that just as Adam brought sin into human life, Jesus brought redemption. As Adam's sin truly made us sinful, Christ's death and resurrection truly make us righteous. Not morally perfect, but rather acceptable to God.
Romans chapter 4, I will start with the beginning verses first.
Abraham Justified by Faith
1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
In the following verses Paul makes it clear HOW, it is credited to Abraham.
4Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7“Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”
These paragraphs is what B.B. Warfield is highlighting in his article in my OP.
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