Justification and Sanctification

[Johan Abrahams]

Justification and sanctification are two Words we Love because they speak of our release of our sinfulness into the fullness of God's Life.

Distinct Words with distinct meanings but one Concept. The Life of Jesus. Where Justification is basically our release from our conscience of sin. And the restoring of the conscience of Jesus in us.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Although they are not specifically used here we know this is what is spoken about.

By faith we are restored into a Father Child relationship.

And we enjoy our Loving Father.

And as time goes by and He teaches us more and more we seem to understand these words more and more.

And we enjoy them more and more.

It seems He is just taking us deeper and deeper into it.

So although everything is given to us and we understand it very well from the beginning that there is nothing lacking in it our experience of them just opens up more and more.

Like a Child growing and understanding more and more about Life.

Although any Child is born with everything complete any Child has to experience it more and more as He grows older.

Seems we just cannot fathom in the beginning all the richness included in it.

But basically it means that we as a Child of God have been born Complete. We just grow up to walk in it complete. As a Child can not walk the Fullness of God immediately.

But as we Live in them which is basically the Life of Jesus so the next step of the road opens up or the next phase of the Life of Jesus opens up. Like a baby who learns to crawl. He struggles to get it right and then he learns to crawl well and then there is a force pulling him up to start struggling to walk and the road is just ahead to experience more and more. Always something more.

In sanctification God is steadily and surely removing everything that is a hindrance to 100% focused just on Him. He is Holy. He has an undivided attention on us. Nothing is distracting Him. And we need to have it too to be perfect. To much in the world is taking us attention away from Him. It needs to be removed.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Bit by bit when we are ready. Until we are totally One. And all our treasure is just in heaven.

Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We can not built for ourselves a life while our Life is in Jesus in heaven. But we do it. And while we do it we live in righteousness. Our sins are paid. What we do not understand and can not do are paid
in Blood in Full. There is no hindrance by it to our relationship with God.

And we want more of this relationship and more means sanctification. More of the removal of our joy we find in our earthly lifestyle. This is sometimes very painful and called our Cross. But we are never forced. We first desire it and then it is done.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

So we are called to walk in righteousness. To allow the Word to clean us thoroughly on the inside. And in this right standing and loving relationship with God the outside (our live .. sanctification) "may be clean also".
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Just walk in unbroken sinless relationship with God brought by righteousness which is the Blood of Jesus learning to rely just on the sacrifice.

Do not mind anything that looks contradictory.

2Co 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

And what we can not do God will do according to our wishes which is the fullness of Christ and total One Being.

Joh 17:19 It is for their sakes that I sanctify myself, so that they, too, may be sanctified by the truth.
Joh 17:20 I ask not only on behalf of these men, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their message,
Joh 17:21 so that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.
Joh 17:22 "I have given them the glory that you gave me, so that they may be one, just as we are one.

This we can not understand. We can only understand what we are experiencing and not what is coming. But what is coming is for our Glory. He has it and He is restoring it in Us.

Eph 3:18 you will be able to understand, along with all the saints, what is wide, long, high, and deep—
Eph 3:19 that is, you will know the love of the Messiah—which transcends knowledge, and will be filled with all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now to the one who can do infinitely more than all we can ask or imagine according to the power that is working among us—
Eph 3:21 to him be glory in the church and in the Messiah Jesus to all generations, forever and ever! Amen.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

We can not built for ourselves a life while our Life is in Jesus in heaven.

And the spirit of Christ (the same that rose Jesus from the grave) lives in us...the kingdom is within us...being revealed

And what we can not do God will do according to our wishes which is the fullness of Christ and total One Being.

According to our wishes? Or according to what we see/believe is possible?...faith...

This we can not understand. We can only understand what we are experiencing and not what is coming. But what is coming is for our Glory. He has it and He is restoring it in Us.

Amen!!

 

[Bible Believing Gentiles]

Justification and sanctification are two Words we Love because they speak of our release of our sinfulness into the fullness of God's Life.

Distinct Words with distinct meanings but one Concept. The Life of Jesus. Where Justification is basically our release from our conscience of sin. And the restoring of the conscience of Jesus in us.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Although they are not specifically used here we know this is what is spoken about.

By faith we are restored into a Father Child relationship.

And we enjoy our Loving Father.

And as time goes by and He teaches us more and more we seem to understand these words more and more.

And we enjoy them more and more.

It seems He is just taking us deeper and deeper into it.

So although everything is given to us and we understand it very well from the beginning that there is nothing lacking in it our experience of them just opens up more and more.

Like a Child growing and understanding more and more about Life.

Although any Child is born with everything complete any Child has to experience it more and more as He grows older.

Seems we just cannot fathom in the beginning all the richness included in it.

But basically it means that we as a Child of God have been born Complete. We just grow up to walk in it complete. As a Child can not walk the Fullness of God immediately.

But as we Live in them which is basically the Life of Jesus so the next step of the road opens up or the next phase of the Life of Jesus opens up. Like a baby who learns to crawl. He struggles to get it right and then he learns to crawl well and then there is a force pulling him up to start struggling to walk and the road is just ahead to experience more and more. Always something more.

In sanctification God is steadily and surely removing everything that is a hindrance to 100% focused just on Him. He is Holy. He has an undivided attention on us. Nothing is distracting Him. And we need to have it too to be perfect. To much in the world is taking us attention away from Him. It needs to be removed.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Bit by bit when we are ready. Until we are totally One. And all our treasure is just in heaven.

Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We can not built for ourselves a life while our Life is in Jesus in heaven. But we do it. And while we do it we live in righteousness. Our sins are paid. What we do not understand and can not do are paid
in Blood in Full. There is no hindrance by it to our relationship with God.

And we want more of this relationship and more means sanctification. More of the removal of our joy we find in our earthly lifestyle. This is sometimes very painful and called our Cross. But we are never forced. We first desire it and then it is done.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

So we are called to walk in righteousness. To allow the Word to clean us thoroughly on the inside. And in this right standing and loving relationship with God the outside (our live .. sanctification) "may be clean also".
----------------------------------
Just walk in unbroken sinless relationship with God brought by righteousness which is the Blood of Jesus learning to rely just on the sacrifice.

Do not mind anything that looks contradictory.

2Co 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

And what we can not do God will do according to our wishes which is the fullness of Christ and total One Being.

Joh 17:19 It is for their sakes that I sanctify myself, so that they, too, may be sanctified by the truth.
Joh 17:20 I ask not only on behalf of these men, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their message,
Joh 17:21 so that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.
Joh 17:22 "I have given them the glory that you gave me, so that they may be one, just as we are one.

This we can not understand. We can only understand what we are experiencing and not what is coming. But what is coming is for our Glory. He has it and He is restoring it in Us.

Eph 3:18 you will be able to understand, along with all the saints, what is wide, long, high, and deep—
Eph 3:19 that is, you will know the love of the Messiah—which transcends knowledge, and will be filled with all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now to the one who can do infinitely more than all we can ask or imagine according to the power that is working among us—
Eph 3:21 to him be glory in the church and in the Messiah Jesus to all generations, forever and ever! Amen.

Now that's what I call believing in 2Tim 2:15

 

[Bible Believing Gentiles]

And the spirit of Christ (the same that rose Jesus from the grave) lives in us...the kingdom is within us...being revealed


According to our wishes? Or according to what we see/believe is possible?...faith...


Amen!!

You are basing your faith in imagination? Or in a perfect Word? Just curious, no accusations

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

You are basing your faith in imagination? Or in a perfect Word? Just curious, no accusations

Faith. Which is, of course, the things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. The perfect Word of truth as revealed in spirit and in truth...

 

[FireDragon76]

Justification is the legal grounds for our acceptance by God, it is not an internal state.

Sanctification is about what we are as we live out our lives faithfully in Christ.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

According to our wishes? Or according to what we see/believe is possible?...faith...

Even what we never could have thought of.

Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

 

[Johan Abrahams]

Justification is the legal grounds for our acceptance by God, it is not an internal state.

When we rely on human knowledge that is the case. But when we rely on revelation from God it is also creation. The creation of the state of Jesus "internally".

Sanctification is about what we are as we live out our lives faithfully in Christ.

Sanctification is what we become in the hands of God as we believe in Jesus to be our New Life.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

It seems He is just taking us deeper and deeper into it.

So although everything is given to us and we understand it very well from the beginning that there is nothing lacking in it our experience of them just opens up more and more.

Like a Child growing and understanding more and more about Life.

Your words are like dew from heaven...

Jesus Christ promises another 'helper' "to bring to your remembrance all things"...to enter through the door into the feast prepared by the father, served up hidden manna...which has everything to do with the questions in the garden that came after the sudden change in perception..."Where art though?" And, "Hast though eaten...?"

But basically it means that we as a Child of God have been born Complete. We just grow up to walk in it complete. As a Child can not walk the Fullness of God immediately.

For it must be revealed by the spirit (within)...each is somewhere in the process taking place within. We start out 'seeing' Him as something outside of our being until we turn and look within...

to start struggling to walk and the road is just ahead to experience more and more. Always something more.

Such an amazing plan He purposed in Himself/Christ from the beginning...HE reveals more and more...endless truth...though at first we try to fit it in a box...as literal, measured and divided. God gives spirit without measure. The mind tries to fill in the blanks, building an idol to worship which is really a lie...to 'take no thought' is to allow truth to reveal truth...

Until we are totally One. And all our treasure is just in heaven.

That is the promise...faith believes it to be possible...anything else is unbelief. It is an inner truth of who we are, have always been...a son...individually and collectively (for there is One spirit...)

To allow the Word to clean us thoroughly on the inside. And in this right standing and loving relationship with God the outside (our live .. sanctification) "may be clean also".

And it is all about perceiving/perception (that changes over time/process taking place within)...becoming blind that we can 'see' (again)...a spiritual truth of what Adam lost, God's glory restored...our garment without seam...

Do not mind anything that looks contradictory.

2Co 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

Amen! At first we perceive with the five senses, measuring and dividing to prove we are. The spirit is without measure causing us to know as we have always been known. One in spirit and in truth...OH, what glory fills the temple (that we are...not made with human hand or hewn stone)

 

[Johan Abrahams]

When the Word is brought in Spirit all the gifts flows marvelously together to create a heavenly Song unto the Lam.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

I have an interesting discussion with those in darkness.

Gave them a Powerful Message from Dad.

https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,49517.msg9548919.html#msg9548919

 

[SBC]

Justification and sanctification are two Words we Love because they speak of our release of our sinfulness into the fullness of God's Life.

Distinct Words with distinct meanings but one Concept. The Life of Jesus. Where Justification is basically our release from our conscience of sin. And the restoring of the conscience of Jesus in us.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Although they are not specifically used here we know this is what is spoken about.

By faith we are restored into a Father Child relationship.

And we enjoy our Loving Father.

And as time goes by and He teaches us more and more we seem to understand these words more and more.

And we enjoy them more and more.

It seems He is just taking us deeper and deeper into it.

So although everything is given to us and we understand it very well from the beginning that there is nothing lacking in it our experience of them just opens up more and more.

Like a Child growing and understanding more and more about Life.

Although any Child is born with everything complete any Child has to experience it more and more as He grows older.

Seems we just cannot fathom in the beginning all the richness included in it.

But basically it means that we as a Child of God have been born Complete. We just grow up to walk in it complete. As a Child can not walk the Fullness of God immediately.

But as we Live in them which is basically the Life of Jesus so the next step of the road opens up or the next phase of the Life of Jesus opens up. Like a baby who learns to crawl. He struggles to get it right and then he learns to crawl well and then there is a force pulling him up to start struggling to walk and the road is just ahead to experience more and more. Always something more.

In sanctification God is steadily and surely removing everything that is a hindrance to 100% focused just on Him. He is Holy. He has an undivided attention on us. Nothing is distracting Him. And we need to have it too to be perfect. To much in the world is taking us attention away from Him. It needs to be removed.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Bit by bit when we are ready. Until we are totally One. And all our treasure is just in heaven.

Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We can not built for ourselves a life while our Life is in Jesus in heaven. But we do it. And while we do it we live in righteousness. Our sins are paid. What we do not understand and can not do are paid
in Blood in Full. There is no hindrance by it to our relationship with God.

And we want more of this relationship and more means sanctification. More of the removal of our joy we find in our earthly lifestyle. This is sometimes very painful and called our Cross. But we are never forced. We first desire it and then it is done.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

So we are called to walk in righteousness. To allow the Word to clean us thoroughly on the inside. And in this right standing and loving relationship with God the outside (our live .. sanctification) "may be clean also".
----------------------------------
Just walk in unbroken sinless relationship with God brought by righteousness which is the Blood of Jesus learning to rely just on the sacrifice.

Do not mind anything that looks contradictory.

2Co 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

And what we can not do God will do according to our wishes which is the fullness of Christ and total One Being.

Joh 17:19 It is for their sakes that I sanctify myself, so that they, too, may be sanctified by the truth.
Joh 17:20 I ask not only on behalf of these men, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their message,
Joh 17:21 so that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.
Joh 17:22 "I have given them the glory that you gave me, so that they may be one, just as we are one.

This we can not understand. We can only understand what we are experiencing and not what is coming. But what is coming is for our Glory. He has it and He is restoring it in Us.

Eph 3:18 you will be able to understand, along with all the saints, what is wide, long, high, and deep—
Eph 3:19 that is, you will know the love of the Messiah—which transcends knowledge, and will be filled with all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now to the one who can do infinitely more than all we can ask or imagine according to the power that is working among us—
Eph 3:21 to him be glory in the church and in the Messiah Jesus to all generations, forever and ever! Amen.

Excellent commentary.
Thank you for sharing your perspective.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Justification and sanctification are two Words we Love because they speak of our release of our sinfulness into the fullness of God's Life.

Distinct Words with distinct meanings but one Concept. The Life of Jesus. Where Justification is basically our release from our conscience of sin. And the restoring of the conscience of Jesus in us.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Although they are not specifically used here we know this is what is spoken about.

By faith we are restored into a Father Child relationship.

And we enjoy our Loving Father.

And as time goes by and He teaches us more and more we seem to understand these words more and more.

And we enjoy them more and more.

It seems He is just taking us deeper and deeper into it.

So although everything is given to us and we understand it very well from the beginning that there is nothing lacking in it our experience of them just opens up more and more.

Like a Child growing and understanding more and more about Life.

Although any Child is born with everything complete any Child has to experience it more and more as He grows older.

Seems we just cannot fathom in the beginning all the richness included in it.

But basically it means that we as a Child of God have been born Complete. We just grow up to walk in it complete. As a Child can not walk the Fullness of God immediately.

But as we Live in them which is basically the Life of Jesus so the next step of the road opens up or the next phase of the Life of Jesus opens up. Like a baby who learns to crawl. He struggles to get it right and then he learns to crawl well and then there is a force pulling him up to start struggling to walk and the road is just ahead to experience more and more. Always something more.

In sanctification God is steadily and surely removing everything that is a hindrance to 100% focused just on Him. He is Holy. He has an undivided attention on us. Nothing is distracting Him. And we need to have it too to be perfect. To much in the world is taking us attention away from Him. It needs to be removed.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Bit by bit when we are ready. Until we are totally One. And all our treasure is just in heaven.

Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We can not built for ourselves a life while our Life is in Jesus in heaven. But we do it. And while we do it we live in righteousness. Our sins are paid. What we do not understand and can not do are paid
in Blood in Full. There is no hindrance by it to our relationship with God.

And we want more of this relationship and more means sanctification. More of the removal of our joy we find in our earthly lifestyle. This is sometimes very painful and called our Cross. But we are never forced. We first desire it and then it is done.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

So we are called to walk in righteousness. To allow the Word to clean us thoroughly on the inside. And in this right standing and loving relationship with God the outside (our live .. sanctification) "may be clean also".
----------------------------------
Just walk in unbroken sinless relationship with God brought by righteousness which is the Blood of Jesus learning to rely just on the sacrifice.

Do not mind anything that looks contradictory.

2Co 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

And what we can not do God will do according to our wishes which is the fullness of Christ and total One Being.

Joh 17:19 It is for their sakes that I sanctify myself, so that they, too, may be sanctified by the truth.
Joh 17:20 I ask not only on behalf of these men, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their message,
Joh 17:21 so that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.
Joh 17:22 "I have given them the glory that you gave me, so that they may be one, just as we are one.

This we can not understand. We can only understand what we are experiencing and not what is coming. But what is coming is for our Glory. He has it and He is restoring it in Us.

Eph 3:18 you will be able to understand, along with all the saints, what is wide, long, high, and deep—
Eph 3:19 that is, you will know the love of the Messiah—which transcends knowledge, and will be filled with all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now to the one who can do infinitely more than all we can ask or imagine according to the power that is working among us—
Eph 3:21 to him be glory in the church and in the Messiah Jesus to all generations, forever and ever! Amen.

While the variation of the words “justified” and “sanctified” can both refer to either the Justification process and or the Sanctification process in the Bible (See Romans 3:24, Romans 2:13, Romans 15:16, Hebrews 10:10), the “Process of Justification” and the “Process of Sanctification” is different than your definition of it, my friend.

The “Process of Justification” is asking Jesus for forgiveness and believing in Him as one’s Savior believing that He died and was risen on their behalf. The result of this is forgiveness of sin and salvation but it is conditioned upon remaining that way only if one partakes in the “Process of Sanctification”, as well.

The “Process of Sanctification” is about living holy and conforming to the image of Christ. The Bible teaches clearly that partaking in this process is necessary for salvation. For it is written,

“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "
(1 Timothy 6:3-4).
"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).
"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).
“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).
"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).
"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).
“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
"...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).
“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).
“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22) (KJ21).
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

Many today teach that believers cannot walk righteously in the Lord. However, here are some verses on the error of Christians saying they cannot walk uprightly; For...

Jesus says,
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5:16).

Jesus also says,
"You give glory to my Father when you produce a lot of fruit and therefore show that you are my disciples." (John 15:8 GW).

And Peter says,
"Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world." (1 Peter 2:12 NLT).

Paul says,
"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Justification is the legal grounds for our acceptance by God, it is not an internal state.

Sanctification is about what we are as we live out our lives faithfully in Christ.

Jesus and Paul saw it as an internal state...Paul already saw the return of Christ within...

I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:12)

But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me... (Galatians 1:15-16)

You are looking at outward appearances. If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should remind himself that we belong to Christ just as much as he does. (2 Corinthians 10:7)

...the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (Colossians 1:27)

I pray that out of the riches of His glory, He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, (Ephesians 3:16)



The mind of man 'sees'/perceives Christ as something separate/outside of our very 'being'....until HE makes us blind to 'see'...as Jesus said "the kingdom is within you..." and "For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven."

God's glory fills the temple and we be the temple not made with human hands...He alone is the light beyond the veil; which is an inward truth.

Paul said "we have the mind of Christ" and it is that which is being restored/renewed/revealed within...We receive revelation (in part), until we think in it...as a son we have always been since the beginning...

To continue to look (by observation as an over here or over there/outside and not within) with the five senses is "always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth."

 

[Johan Abrahams]

Excellent commentary.
Thank you for sharing your perspective.

God Bless,
SBC

Yep. This is not really my perspective. Because a "perspective" is rather something that is in you mind only. But God taught me this. And when one accept His teaching it is Life that becomes your very own Life which is Lived by yourself as a reality.

 

[SBC]

Yep. This is not really my perspective. Because a "perspective" is rather something that is in you mind only. But God taught me this. And when one accept His teaching it is Life that becomes your very own Life which is Lived by yourself as a reality.

Well, true. Not our Word, not our perspective, not our Understanding.....yet can be adopted by us, keeping in thought, it is from God.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Johan Abrahams]

the “Process of Justification” and the “Process of Sanctification” is different than your definition of it, my friend.[\quote]

This are very important words. They brought much division in the churches.

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

And they must be understood. We are born as Babies of God. And then we grow up and become small Children and the older Children until we reach the fullness of the Son of God.

Obviously we do not understand the same. But we need to know that we are Family. There should be no division. Division is the result of God's Babies that is still on milk. They are still "carnal" and not spiritual.

This we see all over the world today. The Babies of God in the different churches. We that are spiritual need to help them to grow out of this perception of one another. We are all Children of God but see differently according to our Spiritual growth in Christ.

So in the light of this I will rather say:the “Process of Justification” and the “Process of Sanctification” is different experienced by me than you are experiencing it, my friend.

Love Mom.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

Well, true. Not our Word, not our perspective, not our Understanding.....yet can be adopted by us, keeping in thought, it is from God.

God Bless,
SBC

Yep. Everything is about Dad. When we experience Him speaking in the Spirit we accept immediately because we know His voice. So the Truth always comes from Him. And it is so necessary because in the very instant it is also created. He creates when He speaks. Sometimes He does not speak. Because what we read is not for us at that very moment in time.

And we just hear that there is something that will be revealed . . .in its own time.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

the “Process of Justification” and the “Process of Sanctification” is different than your definition of it, my friend.

This are very important words. They brought much division in the churches.

The proper grammar for the words you have posted here would be:

“These are very serious words you have written here; For they are the kind of words that have brought much division within the church.”​

Note: The word “church” is singular and not plural because the church is the body of Christ.

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

In regards to Paul telling the Corinthians in speaking the same thing in 1 Corinthians 1:10:
Well, Paul did not mean that we should not divide when it comes to important matters that are foundational to the faith (Otherwise 1 Corinthians 5 would be a lie). The context of the Corinthians speaking the same thing is in view of the Corinthians boasting in their leaders. For some said, “I am of Paul.”; And others said, “I am of Apollos.”

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

And they must be understood. We are born as Babies of God. And then we grow up and become small Children and the older Children until we reach the fullness of the Son of God.

Obviously we do not understand the same. But we need to know that we are Family. There should be no division. Division is the result of God's Babies that is still on milk. They are still "carnal" and not spiritual.

This we see all over the world today. The Babies of God in the different churches. We that are spiritual need to help them to grow out of this perception of one another. We are all Children of God but see differently according to our Spiritual growth in Christ.

So in the light of this I will rather say:the “Process of Justification” and the “Process of Sanctification” is different experienced by me than you are experiencing it, my friend.

Hebrews 5:14 says,
“But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

Strong meat belongs to those who know how to discern between good and evil.

Paul condemned the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 5 for allowing sexual immorality to take place among them. They were to kick out that brother who was in an immoral sexual affair. Paul said not to keep company with a brother who was sexually immoral.

See, “sin” is about “self” and it about uplifting man instead of God. It is why some boasted they were of Paul and others boasted they were of Apollos.

In 1 Corinthians 3:9-17, we learn that it is talking about works of gold. This is the type of work you do based on what is in your heart. Hence, it makes up who you are (a part of God's building). But do not confuse sin as being stubble or hay. Those are not works that will be burned. They are good works you do for the Lord that turn out to not be true pure works that God desires as a part of His building. But you cannot have gold and sin in your building. For 1 Corinthians 3:17 says if any man defile the temple (which is obviously by sin), then God will destroy them. This means they are not saved because they will be destroyed and not saved through the fire.

But what about when Paul said the Corinthians were still yet carnal and he needed to speak to them as if they were babes in Christ?

The word “carnal” actually means unregenerate; unsaved. How can we have unsaved Christians? Paul states in the second letter to the Corinthians that he was afraid when he came to them he would be embarrassed and find many which had sinned and not repented of the uncleanness, fornication, and lasciviousness which they had committed. He feared there would be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder (2 Corinthians 12:20-13:5). These were in the visible church, but not considered saved. In fact, Paul states real Christians should not fellowship these "carnal Christians" (1 Corinthians 5:11-13).

Some seem to think the only one in the Corinthian church who was unsaved was the one who was living immoral with his mother or maybe step-mother, but from the verses quoted above it seems there were many in an unconverted state. Yet there were no doubt saved, regenerate, upright Christians in that church as well, but Paul feared many who had sinned would not have repented when he arrived (2 Corinthians 12:20).

The classic passage in defense of the "carnal Christian" position is found in 1 Corinthians 3:1-4.

First, I see no necessity of saying all in a particular local church are in the same spiritual condition. John describes antichrists as going out from [the church]. "They were not [really] of us; for if they had been of us, they would not doubt have continued with us" (1 John 2:19). Obviously all professing Christians are not in the same state or degree of grace. To refer to a church collectively as Christians does not mean all in that church are saved.

Second, the key words brethren, and carnal must be properly understood. Brethren does not always mean Christian in the true sense. Sometimes it is used of mankind in general or of those in a community relationship which are united by common interests or members of the same congregation, but does not mean all such are regenerated.

Paul says,” I … could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,”

Paul says elsewhere,
“For to be carnally minded is death;” (Romans 8:5).

“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God”. (Romans 8:6).

“So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” (Romans 8:8).

As for the phrase”Babes in Christ” in 1 Corinthians 3:1:

Note that Paul does not call them “Babes in Christ.” Paul merely said that he had to speak to them as if they were “Babes in Christ.” For the New Living Translation says,

“Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn't talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in the Christian life.” (1 Corinthians 3:1) (NLT).

In addition, Paul cites the inconsistencies of the Corinthian’s lives. Religious, yes, but sinful in their actions. So can one be religious and lost? Yes! Paul points to the inconsistencies of every strife and division. Since you have all this among you, are you not yet carnal (unregenerate) and live like or act the same as unregenerate man? In 2 Corinthians 12:20-1 Paul reveals their sexual sin and debauchery, anger, slander, gossip, envying, strife. Paul, in Galatians 5:19-21 tell us they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God

Love Mom.

In your profile you list yourself as a male and yet you call yourself a Mom? Please explain.

Source used for a few paragraphs within this post: The Myth of the "Carnal" Christian

 

[Johan Abrahams]

In your profile you list yourself as a male and yet you call yourself a Mom? Please explain.

Source used for a few paragraphs within this post: The Myth of the "Carnal" Christian

That is a very important issue.

Not many accept and others totally reject.

That is actually the reason for putting these teachings of mine in the Controversial folder.

Here is the teachings

The Marriage

Our Children

And here is some living of that teaching.

Johan Abrahams

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