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Who likes to preserve justice in Christianity? I can't believe what CHristians think it's alright that the poor be taxed. I also can't believe people think the poor should not be helped!
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popcornrocks said:
The problem is not tax but work.....
If one works then he wouldn't have to be poor.
I am in favour of something(not tax) where society
takes its social money(army, service, etc...)........................
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Justice is when we are touched by compassion on behalf of the marginalized and seek to change the world for them (those on the edge of the society)
Action is when we force others to conform to what we think the world should be like regardless of anything outside of their situation that may have resulted from government policies.
Christians mobilised on behalf of the poor with the 'Make Poverty History' and Jubilee 2000 campaigns, Christian Aid.
Christians have mobilised in the past and campaigned against child labour, slavery, lack of education, lack of access to health care and so on.
The UK has what is known as the 'welfare state' this was begun in 1906 to plug gaps left by often Christian Charities seeking to alleviate the social problems they had identified.
In the 1940's this was restructured so that National Insurance was taken from all who earn to pay towards a national health service, a system of financial benefits for those who became unemployed , ill or old.
It is not a perfect system as demand will outstrip supply but the Uk voted this as a 'fair' way of ensuring that no one need die because they could not afford to see a doctor; no one need starve from lack of money and no pensioner would end up 'destitute in the poorhouse' from lack of ability to earn due to frailty.
If one is capable of work and there is work available that is good but what happens when a person cannot work or work is not available?
Action is when we force others to conform to what we think the world should be like regardless of anything outside of their situation that may have resulted from government policies.
Christians mobilised on behalf of the poor with the 'Make Poverty History' and Jubilee 2000 campaigns, Christian Aid.
Christians have mobilised in the past and campaigned against child labour, slavery, lack of education, lack of access to health care and so on.
The UK has what is known as the 'welfare state' this was begun in 1906 to plug gaps left by often Christian Charities seeking to alleviate the social problems they had identified.
In the 1940's this was restructured so that National Insurance was taken from all who earn to pay towards a national health service, a system of financial benefits for those who became unemployed , ill or old.
It is not a perfect system as demand will outstrip supply but the Uk voted this as a 'fair' way of ensuring that no one need die because they could not afford to see a doctor; no one need starve from lack of money and no pensioner would end up 'destitute in the poorhouse' from lack of ability to earn due to frailty.
If one is capable of work and there is work available that is good but what happens when a person cannot work or work is not available?
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vespasia said:
If a person cannot work then means he has a
sickness, it's very different.......
The real social problem is when work is not available........
This american..social system has..to make joblesses because privates need to find the best manpower.......
I agree with this system because it has a great productivity...but it has to have a state that is able to
give work(a raw work also, for example: arrangement of the soul for roads etc...) to all those who want to work.......
There would be no dignity if one is able to work and has to ask for money..to others(state.....also); but if one has a sickness then this problem doesn't exist.......
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Inability to work is not simply a case of having a sickness.
Society can prevent a person who wishes to work from working; for example saying that you have be a particular colour or a particular gender to be considered.
That you have to have a particular political or social stand point before you can be considered.
We could also say that work being unavailable was not a social problem if we choose to ignore it and refuse to label it a social problem.
Society can prevent a person who wishes to work from working; for example saying that you have be a particular colour or a particular gender to be considered.
That you have to have a particular political or social stand point before you can be considered.
We could also say that work being unavailable was not a social problem if we choose to ignore it and refuse to label it a social problem.
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You are talking about democracy butvespasia said:
this is another social problem...........
It's more dofficoult to apply in every social system
infact I don't know a social system where it is
completely applied.
However it is fundamental for a good convivence but
maybe..it implies some choices that depend on the spirit of society.
But freedom is important for democracy.....
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Employment is not a commodity but a right in the sense that everybody should have a fair opportunity to get a job, at the very least.
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graysparrow said:
This doesn't imply that all can have a work.....
Also a democratic society would have to give work to all
those who want to work also in foreign nations.....
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It's possible to help a beggar with a small donation.But in order to change someones life you have to get involved with them.That's when you find out why they are poor in the first place.I believe that social programs are helpful. I don't believe they are a real solution though.Look a man can be living on the street.He can go and get a job doing day labor and make enough in one day for both food and private shelter.If he is careful he will be able to save enough to get accepable clothing.If he works hard and shows industry,he may be hired permanently by the contractor that he's working for.He can take it from there.He can work his way out of poverty.But in order to do this one must become a goal oriented person.That's the catch.The poor have to be willing to abandon attitudes and ideas that hold them down.You can encourage this but you can't make it happen.
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That's part of the solution, yet it is not everything, being homeless is in itself a major social handicap. Add that homeless persons are having it rough, they are often ill and / or handicapped both mentally and otherwise. Many are addict to substances and/or alcohol. and many have issues to deal that took them to the streets in the first place, often involving major depression and / or schizophrenia.
Obviously the main goal is to rebuild the person, to let them stand on their own feet, but that needs time and patience and some people real close who really cares.
Obviously the main goal is to rebuild the person, to let them stand on their own feet, but that needs time and patience and some people real close who really cares.
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In the UK if you do not have an address you cannot get a job.
It becomes a catch 22. You cannot afford to live anywhere therefore you become homeless. Because you are homeless you have not got an address, without an address you fall through even the UKs 'social welfare' net.
If you do not 'look' the part for a job or cannot get clean, a hair cut and so on due to homelessness no one will look at you for a job in the first place.
Thank God for charitable night shelters and hostels without them more would die on the streets.
The concept of 'working your way out of poverty' using 'poverty as the spur' sounds rather like the arguments put forward by many American economists to promote the laissez-faire approach of hands off government response to poverty.
My own countries government across all partied refuses to make a defining policy on poverty an thereby neatly sidestep the need to implement formal policies.
Those who live on the street are rarely there from real choice.
Social programs implemented by both secular (state policies) and also charitable (church and other concerned groups) can offer small choices to those most marginalized.
It becomes a catch 22. You cannot afford to live anywhere therefore you become homeless. Because you are homeless you have not got an address, without an address you fall through even the UKs 'social welfare' net.
If you do not 'look' the part for a job or cannot get clean, a hair cut and so on due to homelessness no one will look at you for a job in the first place.
Thank God for charitable night shelters and hostels without them more would die on the streets.
The concept of 'working your way out of poverty' using 'poverty as the spur' sounds rather like the arguments put forward by many American economists to promote the laissez-faire approach of hands off government response to poverty.
My own countries government across all partied refuses to make a defining policy on poverty an thereby neatly sidestep the need to implement formal policies.
Those who live on the street are rarely there from real choice.
Social programs implemented by both secular (state policies) and also charitable (church and other concerned groups) can offer small choices to those most marginalized.
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The problem is that a private cannot give work to every kind of person(he has to see character etc...to have the best performance).......
I think that the state only can resolve the problem of work for these persons.......
There are a lot of "row" works that doesn't need a particular manpower therefore these persons can be useful the same to entire society...(Also working 5-6 hours for day and having a daily payment.....I think it can be a good education to work......)
If a person is useful to society then he has more dignity....
I think that the state only can resolve the problem of work for these persons.......
There are a lot of "row" works that doesn't need a particular manpower therefore these persons can be useful the same to entire society...(Also working 5-6 hours for day and having a daily payment.....I think it can be a good education to work......)
If a person is useful to society then he has more dignity....
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I have heard of the problem that homeless people can't get a job, because they have no address. This seems like it would be a simple problem to correct. Why hasn't anyone?
In my area I see a lot of people who say that there are no jobs, but when you talk to them further, it turns out that there just aren't any jobs that pay what they want to make. Everyone has to start somewhere.
This is not to say that there aren't people who can't get a job within their skill set. I believe that the key is to give job training to those who are willing, so that they have the tools to get out of poverty.
In my area I see a lot of people who say that there are no jobs, but when you talk to them further, it turns out that there just aren't any jobs that pay what they want to make. Everyone has to start somewhere.
This is not to say that there aren't people who can't get a job within their skill set. I believe that the key is to give job training to those who are willing, so that they have the tools to get out of poverty.
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twiggysara said:
I think when work is so much restrictive....then one who doesn't like a lot to work.....says a likely story......
I think to work 5-6 hours in the morning only or in the afternoon can be a solution to induce a lot of joblesses to work even if payment is not as others....
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From what I can tell from reading the bible, the only ones that we are to take care of are the elderly, widows, and sickly. Now I might be wrong about how I see this, but I believe that unless you have an illness that prevents you from working and taking care of you and your family, then you should work. Even if it's at a fast food restaurant. People want to excuse away homelessness, but most of them can work. They want to pick and choose where they will work. The old saying goes, "Beggers can't be choosy." Taxes should only be used to help those truly in need, not those that want to take advantage of the system. That, in a nut shell, is the whole problem. Way too many people take advantage of the giving that this and other countries offer to the poor. Therefore, let's be poor so that we can get a hand out and don't have to work for our food.
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